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Yeah... female Shepard...

It just doesn't work for me.

No honestly, I just can't understand how people can prefer femShep to maleShep or even think maleShep doesn't work.
This is not a troll-post, I'm not trolling people. But honestly, I played both, female Shepard and male Shepard, in fact, my very first custom Shepard (ME1) was a female Shepard (after beating ME1 with the pre-made John Shepard Soldier).

I'm not a sexist either. I think females can be pretty damn ass-kicking in space. Ashley is a bad example (she does NOT kick ass), but Samus Aran from Metriod Prime is. Samus simply kicks ass and you gotta love her!

But no, not femShep, femShep just feels weird and wrong. Maybe it's Jennifer Hale? Nah, I don't think so. Even though I prefer Mark Meer, Jeniffer Hale did her best to fit her voice for the character.

Personally, I think it's the script. The whole script makes me feel as if BioWare wrote it with maleShepard in their heads, and later during the game development simply replaced maleShep with femShep for those who want to play female, without changing much (if anything) at the script. This makes femShep feel misplaced and misfit and I simply can't understand I'm the only one bothered by this (or are there more people who think this way?).

Please tell me, am I the only one who sees/feels this? And did BioWare indeed write the ME script with the canon male John Shepard in the back of their heads and simply add femShep to it later on?

Modifié par Luc0s, 15 février 2010 - 10:01 .


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Luc0s wrote...

Did BioWare indeed write the ME script with the canon male John Shepard in the back of their heads and simply add femShep to it later on?


That would make a lot more sence, than writing 2 separate scripts, considering the M/F gamers ratio.

Modifié par Delta426, 15 février 2010 - 10:04 .


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I really don't like mark meers voice for the maleshep, sounds empty xD

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They *did* design the game with John Shepard in mind. Watch the opening sequence of ME1 with a FemShep. She clearly walks like a man.



They tried to add more concessions in ME2, going so far as adding what they thought was an ideal male love interest. But the dialogue is always the same,



However, I've been in the military for a long time, and female soldiers do end up speaking in a more masculine way. So to me, it was believable, except for the sitting and walking animations.

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Maybe it's because your played through with a male shep first? And the BioWare male shep at that.

I played through my first time in ME1 with a custom female shep and now males don't feel right to me. My 'canon' shep in all the ME games will always be that femshep from my first playthrough. All the others are just to experience the other content.

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I do think that Femshep was given much more attention in ME1.

but i still prefer playing Femshep. I played through ME2 4 times now (i need to stop, i know), once with Maleshep 3 times with Femshep.

Maleshep is the one that doesn't "feel" right for me. I just hope Femshep gets more girl romances in ME3 :P

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Marilynn-22 wrote...

I really don't like mark meers voice for the maleshep, sounds empty xD


Sole reason I play most of my Sheps as Female is because Jennifer Hale does such a kickass job!B)

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You're not the only one, although I actually prefer femShep. The lines are basically, if not exactly, the same and there lies the problem w/ (for me) some of femShep's more awkward moments. One of the reasons I prefer her is the voice. I don't have a problem w/ Meer and he did a great job in ME2, but I just prefer Hale. Also, my femShep has a Colonist/Sole Survivor background, so she's going to be kind of f*cked up in the first place. ;) Still, I understand what you are saying. I wish BW had tweaked the script a bit more for femShep. Maybe for ME3? I doubt it.

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femshep™ has to be the most kick-ass woman soldier, since, um, ever. The voice acting is outstanding and Bioware even out did themselves with some of her facial expressions in ME2. She had The Glare down pat.



There is a clear difference in how femshep comes across with Paragon actions. Even though the dialog is almost identical, Hale's feminine inflections, especially when dealing with people who are hurting, are full of sincerity and warmth. That is a key difference between the two gender options.



Which is funny, since my femshep is a Renegade. That's mainly because she likes to shot bad guys in the head and will sacrifice the now for the greater good, like any good soldier, not because she releases her inner **** towards undeserving.



Your mileage may vary, and to each his own, but a mostly Renegade femshep is a bit of the Awesomesauce.

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I don't know about you but I much prefer to stare at the arse of a female shepard rather then male.

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Luc0s wrote...

This is not a troll-post, I'm not trolling people.


Yeah, that didn't work for Tiax either. Just because you say you are or are not something, doesn't make it so.

But honestly, I played both, female Shepard and male Shepard, in fact, my very first custom Shepard (ME1) was a female Shepard (after beating ME1 with the pre-made John Shepard Soldier).

I'm not a sexist either. I think females can be pretty damn ass-kicking in space. Ashley is a bad example (she does NOT kick ass), but Samus Aran from Metriod Prime is. Samus simply kicks ass and you gotta love her!

But no, not femShep, femShep just feels weird and wrong. Maybe it's Jennifer Hale? Nah, I don't think so. Even though I prefer Mark Meer, Jeniffer Hale did her best to fit her voice for the character.

Personally, I think it's the script. The whole script makes me feel as if BioWare wrote it with maleShepard in their heads, and later during the game development simply replaced maleShep with femShep for those who want to play female, without changing much (if anything) at the script. This makes femShep feel misplaced and misfit and I simply can't understand I'm the only one bothered by this (or are there more people who think this way?).

Please tell me, am I the only one who sees/feels this? And did BioWare indeed write the ME script with the canon male John Shepard in the back of their heads and simply add femShep to it later on?


It's called "personal preference". See, not everybody had the same social and educational upbringing as you. This means that we view things differently. Some men can only play femShep, some women are only interested in playing maleShep. Some want to do both and see them as equally good.

You need to calm down. Have a drink or something with Jacob.

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I don't know about you but I much prefer to stare at the arse of a female shepard rather then male.

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ManShep doesn't sound right to me at all. Totally out of place.



The game was clearly written with a female in mind. manShep just comes across as sort of a creep.

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I think MaleShep is better for Paragon, FemShep sounds like a no-nonsense hardass.

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I occasionally play female characters in other games and don't have a problem with it, but for Mass Effect, it has to be maleshep too, for me. Couldn't stand playing a femshep. Especially because I couldn't romance Tali then.

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slicer477 wrote...

I don't know about you but I much prefer to stare at the arse of a female shepard rather then male.


Lame, old, dusty argument.

I don't know about you but I much prefer to stare at the actual action on screen (especially at insanity difficulty) then paying any attention to anyones ass at all... (though I can't help at staring at Miranda's behind when Shepard is off duty...)

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ManShep doesn't sound right to me at all. Totally out of place.

The game was clearly written with a female in mind. manShep just comes across as sort of a creep.


Troll much?

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R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

I occasionally play female characters in other games and don't have a problem with it, but for Mass Effect, it has to be maleshep too, for me. Couldn't stand playing a femshep. Especially because I couldn't romance Tali then.


not being able to romance Tali with Femshep hurt, but not enough for me to prefer playing Maleshep.

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Luc0s wrote...

Yeah... female Shepard...

It just doesn't work for me.

No honestly, I just can't understand how people can prefer femShep to maleShep or even think maleShep doesn't work.
This is not a troll-post, I'm not trolling people. But honestly, I played both, female Shepard and male Shepard, in fact, my very first custom Shepard (ME1) was a female Shepard (after beating ME1 with the pre-made John Shepard Soldier).

I'm not a sexist either. I think females can be pretty damn ass-kicking in space. Ashley is a bad example (she does NOT kick ass), but Samus Aran from Metriod Prime is. Samus simply kicks ass and you gotta love her!

But no, not femShep, femShep just feels weird and wrong. Maybe it's Jennifer Hale? Nah, I don't think so. Even though I prefer Mark Meer, Jeniffer Hale did her best to fit her voice for the character.

Personally, I think it's the script. The whole script makes me feel as if BioWare wrote it with maleShepard in their heads, and later during the game development simply replaced maleShep with femShep for those who want to play female, without changing much (if anything) at the script. This makes femShep feel misplaced and misfit and I simply can't understand I'm the only one bothered by this (or are there more people who think this way?).

Please tell me, am I the only one who sees/feels this? And did BioWare indeed write the ME script with the canon male John Shepard in the back of their heads and simply add femShep to it later on?


Firstly, it's always more interesting to play a female character than a male character. Male characters are fairly limited in people's perceptions of their abilities, a female character is already(sad as it may be) breaking out of her predetermined role simply because she is the hero, and as such has more freedom to go about things differently than a typical male action hero.

For Mass Effect specifically, I always got the impression that Shepard fit the galaxy better if she was a female, but that is my opinion, and I do not force it on others. Now for something that seems like an opinion but is not. Jennifer Hale's voice acting is far superior than Mark Meer's and she is better at creating a believable Commander Shepard than he is. She is the voice I hear when I think of Commander Shepard, simply because she fits it so well.

I honestly would rather not play Mass Effect at all than slog through a playthrough with maleshep, but you don't see me making a full thread about it do you?

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Luc0s wrote...

General Battuta wrote...

ManShep doesn't sound right to me at all. Totally out of place.

The game was clearly written with a female in mind. manShep just comes across as sort of a creep.


Troll much?


Only as much as you.

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Llandaryn wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

This is not a troll-post, I'm not trolling people.


Yeah, that didn't work for Tiax either. Just because you say you are or are not something, doesn't make it so.

But honestly, I played both, female Shepard and male Shepard, in fact, my very first custom Shepard (ME1) was a female Shepard (after beating ME1 with the pre-made John Shepard Soldier).

I'm not a sexist either. I think females can be pretty damn ass-kicking in space. Ashley is a bad example (she does NOT kick ass), but Samus Aran from Metriod Prime is. Samus simply kicks ass and you gotta love her!

But no, not femShep, femShep just feels weird and wrong. Maybe it's Jennifer Hale? Nah, I don't think so. Even though I prefer Mark Meer, Jeniffer Hale did her best to fit her voice for the character.

Personally, I think it's the script. The whole script makes me feel as if BioWare wrote it with maleShepard in their heads, and later during the game development simply replaced maleShep with femShep for those who want to play female, without changing much (if anything) at the script. This makes femShep feel misplaced and misfit and I simply can't understand I'm the only one bothered by this (or are there more people who think this way?).

Please tell me, am I the only one who sees/feels this? And did BioWare indeed write the ME script with the canon male John Shepard in the back of their heads and simply add femShep to it later on?


It's called "personal preference". See, not everybody had the same social and educational upbringing as you. This means that we view things differently. Some men can only play femShep, some women are only interested in playing maleShep. Some want to do both and see them as equally good.

You need to calm down. Have a drink or something with Jacob.



It seems you feel rather upset (personally attacked) by my topic. How so?

This is a forum, people talk about stuff, people give their opinions, and this is mine. Comparing to most of the b*tching-threads on this forum, I think my topic is very mild and reasonable. I didn't attack anything or anyone, I just asked if it is just me or that BioWare really did write the ME story for maleShep and added femShep later on, explaning why femShep feels wrong and misplaced (to me).

PS: I rather have a drink with Garrus, Jacob is one of my least favorite characters in ME2. ;)

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I never liked playing as maleshep for a few reasons. The main one being is even though Meer has improved he still cannot pull off paragon dialogue that requires emotion and sincerity. Hale/Femshep makes the paragon choices sound so much more believable and just "right".

Good example imo is the paragon action with the Tali hug, maleshep sounded creepy to me when he said "come here". Femshep sounded almost motherly and it fit that scene very well.

But really to each their own. Some people like femshep better and can connect to her better, same can be applied to maleshep. It depends on the person overall.

Edit: And imo it really seems like femshep was made for the paragon role while maleshep was made for the renegade role. Meer does a very good job at playing the renegade while Hale does a better job of the paragon.

Modifié par Corti78, 15 février 2010 - 10:48 .


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One of my favorite scenes was the one where Shepard is drinking with Doctor Chakwas; but only if it's femShep. With Jennifer Hale, it actually sounds like two old friends getting plastered and reminiscing about old times; but Mark Meer delivers his lines with that same emotionless monotone, and it sounds like he's just been studying the doc drinking the whole time. Creepy.

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Female voice actor is still better. /thread.

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ERJAK2 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Yeah... female Shepard...

It just doesn't work for me.

No honestly, I just can't understand how people can prefer femShep to maleShep or even think maleShep doesn't work.
This is not a troll-post, I'm not trolling people. But honestly, I played both, female Shepard and male Shepard, in fact, my very first custom Shepard (ME1) was a female Shepard (after beating ME1 with the pre-made John Shepard Soldier).

I'm not a sexist either. I think females can be pretty damn ass-kicking in space. Ashley is a bad example (she does NOT kick ass), but Samus Aran from Metriod Prime is. Samus simply kicks ass and you gotta love her!

But no, not femShep, femShep just feels weird and wrong. Maybe it's Jennifer Hale? Nah, I don't think so. Even though I prefer Mark Meer, Jeniffer Hale did her best to fit her voice for the character.

Personally, I think it's the script. The whole script makes me feel as if BioWare wrote it with maleShepard in their heads, and later during the game development simply replaced maleShep with femShep for those who want to play female, without changing much (if anything) at the script. This makes femShep feel misplaced and misfit and I simply can't understand I'm the only one bothered by this (or are there more people who think this way?).

Please tell me, am I the only one who sees/feels this? And did BioWare indeed write the ME script with the canon male John Shepard in the back of their heads and simply add femShep to it later on?


Firstly, it's always more interesting to play a female character than a male character. Male characters are fairly limited in people's perceptions of their abilities, a female character is already(sad as it may be) breaking out of her predetermined role simply because she is the hero, and as such has more freedom to go about things differently than a typical male action hero.

For Mass Effect specifically, I always got the impression that Shepard fit the galaxy better if she was a female, but that is my opinion, and I do not force it on others. Now for something that seems like an opinion but is not. Jennifer Hale's voice acting is far superior than Mark Meer's and she is better at creating a believable Commander Shepard than he is. She is the voice I hear when I think of Commander Shepard, simply because she fits it so well.

I honestly would rather not play Mass Effect at all than slog through a playthrough with maleshep, but you don't see me making a full thread about it do you?


Please, don't act so butthurt.

First you accuse me of things, then you do exactly the same thing.

No, Hale's voice-acting is NOT superior to Meer's, that just YOUR OPINION. It's NOT a fact.

In this topic I'm merely stating my opinion and asking a few questions. Comparing to most flame-topics on this forum about LI and the ME2 story, I think my topic is quite mild, reasonable and politically correct. So please, don't act so personally attacked, I didn't attack anyone.

You prefer femShep to maleShep? Good for you. I don't and I have my reasons for it, good reasons actually. Maybe if femShep was canon and maleShep was only an extra, it would have been the other way around, I would have loved femShep and disliked maleShep. But the fact that BioWare simply replaced the maleShep model for a femShep model and let Jennifer Hale redo Mark Meer's lines makes femShep feel misplaced, IN MY OPINION.

Maybe BioWare could try to fix this with ME3, so I would equally love femShep as much as maleShep.

Modifié par Luc0s, 15 février 2010 - 10:54 .