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[Wakara Pezi]

Fem Shepard all the way!

[AtreiyaN7]

I'm a female, and I played my FemShep. I liked her just fine and didn't feel like the story was tailored specifically to male players and that we just had things dumped on us. I also liked Jennifer Hale's voice acting. I expect her to be tough as a Spectre/N7 specialist. She's not supposed to be Leliana in space. If playing a FemShep feels weird to you/misplaced for whatever reason, then I guess that's some kind of personal issue on your part.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 16 février 2010 - 01:46 .

[Lightice_av]

The default 'Vanderloo' Shepard pretty much owns every custom Shepard, regardless of their gender. You can't deny that the default Shepard has much more details and realism than your custom Shepard ever will. That's why I gave up on creating my own Shepard after a few playthroughs and stick with the Van der Loo Shepard from now on.

I found it annoying that he's more detailed than any other character in the game. He doesn't really belong, like he popped in from another game. Again, personal opinion ofcourse.

[Yantze]

I prefer maleshep since im a male and I try to customize the characters to look like me if available. Both of their VA can sound bad at times but I still prefer Meer. Probably because as others have said im used to that voice. Either one works though its all personal preference. Even if there was only femshep id still play the game because its a great series.

[tmp7704]

MsKlaussen wrote...

No, it won't go that far, but there are certain anatomical differences between men and women that tend to facilitate a motion that, when actually exagerrated, becomes the obvious "sexy walk" you refer to.

Yes, which is why i mentioned there's some factors which would force the female to walk different  But my point was rather, that given the presence of constricting and stiff armour, flat shoes and such, i'd expect these differences to be reduced. And without the exagerration they can be (visually) small enough that such further reduction may bring them to the point where the lack of them in character's movement doesn't really feel off. Or at least didn't feel off to me, personally.

[KPnuts123]

I think both VA's have their good and bad points throughout the game's although I do think that Hale is the better of the two. Meer has made leaps and bounds though between the 2 games and does deliver some lines so much better. Case in point for this is during Mordin's loyalty mission when you get the option to interrupt the clan Weyloc speaker. The line is "You talk too much." Now hale's delivery is good for that but Meer's just adds more to the line.



Anyway I think that Shepard was created to be either Male or Female and it is just down to your personal preference as to which one you play. Personally I prefer a Femshep but have played with a Maleshep as well.

[SmokePants]

I think the male/female Sheperd works better than it has any right to. Just having a female read the same lines as a male should flat out not work, but it does. Kind of.

My biggest issue is that female Sheperd is so petite and weak-looking. It's harder to make female game characters, period, and the legacy ME character creator doesn't do the process any favors. Even the female Sheperds that don't come out horribly have this mealy-mouth thing going on. And don't get me started on the hair options. They just don't come out looking the part of a bad-ass Commander. They look more like Elementary school teachers. Then again, the "default" Male Sheperd creeps me the F out. It's just that you can make much more convincing male characters than female characters.

I'm just sick of character creators. They all just suck ass and your character looks retarded next to party members that were modeled from scratch. That's really what they should do. Offer a small selection of whole faces and ditch this crap with the sliders. You can't make a character look as interesting as Zaeed with ****ing sliders.

Modifié par SmokePants, 16 février 2010 - 03:05 .

[tmp7704]

Luc0s wrote...

I think Jack is masculine in a natural way and femShep is masculine in an unnatural way.

Jack isn't masculine, just aggressive and pissed off at the whole world. Female Shepard is probably close overall to Aliens' Vasquez and/or Ripley -- can be more feminine in appearance if the player chooses so, but handles herself in similar way. Not unnatural just rare since there's very few fictional characters done in this manner, typically the authors can't resist the urge to somehow underscore the character gender through some stereotypes.

[SarEnyaDor]

Okay so girls really enjoy being able to actually play a female who isn't just TnA, and some guys like to play females because of the butt-watching aspect, and some guys think that playing a chick is weird and shouldn't be allowed? Is that what the thread is really about?



Because every so often OP comes back to make his point that male Shep is really the only one he thinks makes sense, so either he is afraid no one will remember he likes male Shep better, or his real point is that he dislikes us being able to have the choice of playing femShep ... because if you just like male Shep better wouldn't you just play male Shep and not make a thread about how much you don't think femShep makes any sense?



I, for one, am glad that at least one game company likes to take my tainted female money and continues to make games I can identify with.

[AtreiyaN7]

Lara Croft is a stereotype with a ridiculous physique that I never really found particularly believable (and I played the first Tomb Raider when it came out). A real butt-kicking female would be Ripley in Alien/Aliens. As far as I can tell from the other pages in this thread, most people seem to like FemShep. *shrug* Personally, I don't have an issue with the maleShep or other male characters when I'm forced to play as a male. It's not like I don't enjoy Splinter Cell just because I have to play Sam Fisher (and, in fact, I like Michael Ironside and Sam Fisher). I played a guy in Bioshock - didn't mind. I just think this is a matter of personal taste regarding the characters and the voice actors in ME2. I don't have anything against Mark Meer, and I think he does a fine job as MaleShep. I might even get around to trying a MaleShep out later on.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 16 février 2010 - 02:09 .

[Grey_Spectre]

For me, it's Jennifer Hale's performance that makes femshep the better option. It makes her sound tougher and more ruthless than maleshep. I'm okay with playing paragon maleshep but for some reason I prefer Shepard to be a little bit of anti-hero and Mark Meer's renegade performance is less than convincing. (Man, how I wish Kiefer Sutherland was providing the voice... but that's another story).



Also, because female heroes have not traditionally been common in the past, it makes femshep all the more heroic, particularly as she's been through hell and back and has the weight of the galaxy on her shoulders. Her bad-assness kind of reminds me of Ripley too.

[tirea_atreides]

Luc0s wrote...

Like I said, I love ass-kicking female protagonists in space, Samus Aran all the way. I love women who know how to handle a gun (don't mean this perverted), like Lara Croft. I think masculine women can be pretty neat (I love Jack), so that's not the problem either. I think Jack is masculine in a natural way and femShep is masculine in an unnatural way. But that's just my opinion I guess.

I really don't find femShep all that masculine. I mean, sure, she can be (esp as a renegade), but you can see her soft side while taking some paragon choices or for eg. when having Thane as a LI (hand-holding omg). I would sooner call her tough (well, figures) and driven than masculine. She is, after all, saving the galaxy from a total annihilation - no time for being all barbie-like.

[TrueHD]

Default femShep is too hot to pass up (well, the default one imported from ME1---the ME2 is totally wrong).

[MsKlaussen]

tmp7704 wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

No, it won't go that far, but there are certain anatomical differences between men and women that tend to facilitate a motion that, when actually exagerrated, becomes the obvious "sexy walk" you refer to.

Yes, which is why i mentioned there's some factors which would force the female to walk different  But my point was rather, that given the presence of constricting and stiff armour, flat shoes and such, i'd expect these differences to be reduced. And without the exagerration they can be (visually) small enough that such further reduction may bring them to the point where the lack of them in character's movement doesn't really feel off. Or at least didn't feel off to me, personally.

I see what you're saying, and I agree with it in principle. For me I guess things went the same level of exaggeration as the "sexy walk", but in the opposite direction. I mean there was nothing whatsoever feminine about FemShep's movement or mannerisms - it was clearly and obviously male, and a very powerfully built male at that. Most men that I've seen run do not "lope" like that. It was like watching something that was seconds away from shedding its skin and becoming a werewolf.

I think maybe what I'm referring to is not the lack of stereotypical feminine qualities, it is the abundance of blatantly male qualities, where the movement and mannerisms are concerned. And I'm not really "complaining" - as I said, it would never have changed my mind about my purchase had I known in advance. I just know that I take a great deal of pride in doing great things, and a completely separate pride being a woman and doing great things that I'm supposedly unable to do. So those little nuances of being me count, even when I'm someone else. 

[noobeffect]

Female Shepard puts much more emotion into her lines than male Shepard. Keep in mind, when I first played the original Mass Effect, it was with a default male Shepard and the VA was good. IN my next playthrough, I played with a custom female Shepard and the VA was much better.



In Mass Effect 2, male Shepard couldn't sound more robotic. He always has this stiff voice on even when talking to people many would consider his friends by now. For example, when Shepard is meeting Joker again in the Cerberus facility, male Shepard doesn't at all sound relieved that he is reuniting with his former pilot. Female Shepard nails the entire scene, from the relieved, almost humorous sound of her voice in response to Joker's return, to the curiosity for Joker's trust in The Illusive Man. Female Shepard achieves the appropriate emotions for most scenes. Compare the line, "I guess we'll have to give it a name." When the new Normandy is revealed, female Shepard puts MUCH MORE emotion into it than male Shepard.



The whole debate as to whether or not the lines were tailored specifically for male Shepard is ridiculous. I've played ME2 with both Paragon and Renegade female Shepards and her lines don't sound at all like they were written for male or more masculine characters. The lines are made for someone who is military commander and female Shepard happens to be a commander, none of her lines seem out of character.



It also doesn't help that male Shepard's voice is only good for the default Shepard. Nothing sounds more out of place than the voice of male Shepard on a character with dark skin. Female Shepard's voice works with just about any custom Shepard but that's another topic.

[max_ai]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Whoever you play your first playthrough as becomes your canon Shepard, and it can be extremely difficult to break out of that mindset. That's why so many people seem to hate either ManShep or FemShep's voice, because it's different to the one they used for their first playthrough.

Actually my first playthrough of ME1 was with mShep.
Regretted that ever since...
When I first played with mShep, the game was kinda alright, but no emotions attached to it.
femShep changed that in an instant, and if you're willing to forgive Bioware for not being able to make a romance without femShep to hit first then it's miles better than mShep.

@OP:
Lara Croft is one of the worst woman character ever created (well, except for Anniversary, which was ok).

Modifié par max_ai, 16 février 2010 - 02:24 .

[MsKlaussen]

SmokePants wrote...

I think the male/female Sheperd works better than it has any right to. Just having a female read the same lines as a male should flat out not work, but it does. Kind of.

My biggest issue is that female Sheperd is so petite and weak-looking. It's harder to make female game characters, period, and the legacy ME character creator doesn't do the process any favors. Even the female Sheperds that don't come out horribly have this mealy-mouth thing going on. And don't get me started on the hair options. They just don't come out looking the part of a bad-ass Commander. They look more like Elementary school teachers. Then again, the "default" Male Sheperd creeps me the F out. It's just that you can make much more convincing male characters than female characters.

I'm just sick of character creators. They all just suck ass and your character looks retarded next to party members that were modeled from scratch. That's really what they should do. Off a small selection of whole faces and ditch thiscrap with the sliders. You can't make a character look as interesting as Zaeed with ****g sliders.

I will now carefully clean the coffee off of my laptop. Thanks a million!

[JLFL]

(double post)

Modifié par JLFL, 16 février 2010 - 02:22 .

[JLFL]

I honestly think it comes down to personal prefrence. I think both have great voice acting and fit in just right. However if were speaking in terms of canon of the story i'm guessing bioware intended Shepard to be male considering every single piece of boxart, demonstration videos, trailers, strategy guide, has male Shepard on the cover.

[wizardryforever]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Okay so girls really enjoy being able to actually play a female who isn't just TnA, and some guys like to play females because of the butt-watching aspect, and some guys think that playing a chick is weird and shouldn't be allowed? Is that what the thread is really about?

Because every so often OP comes back to make his point that male Shep is really the only one he thinks makes sense, so either he is afraid no one will remember he likes male Shep better, or his real point is that he dislikes us being able to have the choice of playing femShep ... because if you just like male Shep better wouldn't you just play male Shep and not make a thread about how much you don't think femShep makes any sense?

I, for one, am glad that at least one game company likes to take my tainted female money and continues to make games I can identify with.

Whoa now, I think you're jumping to some rather bold conclusions there.  This is about perspective and preference, and to a lesser extent voice acting.  At no point does anyone (including the OP) state that the game should be as they envision it and no other way.

I think the whole point of adding the option of a female protagonist (which, like it or not, is something rather new in video games) was to make the experience that much richer.  To a lesser extent, the cynical (or was it realist?) side of me knows that the developers also were reaching out to a growing demographic: female gamers.

I wish I had the PC version of the game (for the first time ever) just so I could show what my Shepard looks like to those who say you can't make a decent looking male.