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[Steel Majere343]

thats a little drastic..lol. but your not listening to me sir, i know what you speak of. i used to do that, but that certain community that sold a key ingredient is now dead.



i do not believe you when you say you made it through the whole game on 50 potions without a healer. that cant be done, unless i put an insane amount of points into the health stat i suppose.



so you see i cannot buy unlimited potions. you obviously didnt read the whole conversation there.



as for your second point about getting better, im not really sure how to do that lol. i do everything tactically correct i believe, this isnt a twitch game.



but basically i do not believe what you say is possible. to barely use healing potions. a few of those battles are optional. but still there are some battles in the main storyline that i found that they wernt possible for me to beat without having a healthy stock of potions. which im not against, im just sad that i can no longer have access to them you see.



the merchants only sell about 3. then they are gone for quit a long time.



and who is this "us" you speak of? lol, i dont see anyone else argueing your points.



everyone knows how to craft the potions im not saying i didnt know that, but i cant anymore due to a choice the game gave me.

[Steel Majere343]

just as well i will turn it to casual if i must, but i didnt want to because i wanted to face the same challenges and talk about the same particularly difficult enemies you see.



i didnt even read that part about how you say you did this on hard. nowi especially dont believe you lol.



unless you used some other method of paralyze or something but your characters have to get healed in battle some how, you cant just go and have everyone live without healing in this game. so..no unless you present me with some surprising tactic you used to do this feat, i dont believe you actually did this.

[addiction21]

Steel Majere343 wrote...


but see, i dont actually want a healer, the classes are mage, rogue and warrior, i should be able to survive with one of each class and a fourth member of my choosing. I dont want to be forced into having the same classes each play through in my party just for the sake of survival. especially since healer is actually a specialization so not only would i be forced to choose a basic class but a specialization as well.

without potions and no healing class, with no method to recover lost health in battle. you are screwed. the one healing spell that all mages have access to does help but again i dont like being forced to get a skill just to survive and that one skill does not keep the whole party alive.


potions were a great alternative to keeping my party alive and still upgrading and playing however i want, now there is only one specific rout i MUST take in order to finish this game, and that is uncluding a character into my party that i really didnt want.

You can get healing without choosing a specialization.

Just like the choice you made to wipe certain people from exsistance it is also your choice to be a stubborn fool and not fix the problem by accepting the consequences of your actions and including at least the basic heal spell on one mage.

Also spouting off at the mouth about how things should be changed for you because you refuse to accept and adapt to the choices you yourself made is a rather elitist stance.

[Inakhia]

I think OP is stating that due to *his* choices in game, relating I'm guessing to the Dalish outcome, he now has *no* vendor for elfroot.

Again, it was due to his choices that this has happened. I never made that particular decision and have never had to do without endless supply of herbs.

Live and Learn.

[Archangel064]

No problem with amount of pots here really.
What is sort of silly is getting a lyrium pot off of a archer's corpse....

Why not.....oh I dunno....have some arrows in a archer's loot ???

Modifié par Archangel064, 03 décembre 2009 - 02:44 .

[cheeseslayersmu]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

thats a little drastic..lol. but your not listening to me sir, i know what you speak of. i used to do that, but that certain community that sold a key ingredient is now dead.

i do not believe you when you say you made it through the whole game on 50 potions without a healer. that cant be done, unless i put an insane amount of points into the health stat i suppose.

so you see i cannot buy unlimited potions. you obviously didnt read the whole conversation there.

as for your second point about getting better, im not really sure how to do that lol. i do everything tactically correct i believe, this isnt a twitch game.

but basically i do not believe what you say is possible. to barely use healing potions. a few of those battles are optional. but still there are some battles in the main storyline that i found that they wernt possible for me to beat without having a healthy stock of potions. which im not against, im just sad that i can no longer have access to them you see.

the merchants only sell about 3. then they are gone for quit a long time.

and who is this "us" you speak of? lol, i dont see anyone else argueing your points.

everyone knows how to craft the potions im not saying i didnt know that, but i cant anymore due to a choice the game gave me.

You're right it was probably more like 30 potions :/

We get it, you killed the merchant. I still don't see how you're using that many potions.

Unless you're doing something like running an archer warrior or something I'm not really sure how you're dying so much.

With a mage a bunch of CC takes care of mobs, and with a warrior a set of nice armor (like the dragonbone armor) helps. I stopped using the blood dragon armor right after I got it for my profile picture, and didn't re-equip it till the last fight (I actually like the look of the armor and so wanted it for that fight).

Perhaps you're not setting up tactics right, or if you're not using tactics than maybe you're not microing right.

[cheeseslayersmu]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

just as well i will turn it to casual if i must, but i didnt want to because i wanted to face the same challenges and talk about the same particularly difficult enemies you see.

i didnt even read that part about how you say you did this on hard. nowi especially dont believe you lol.

unless you used some other method of paralyze or something but your characters have to get healed in battle some how, you cant just go and have everyone live without healing in this game. so..no unless you present me with some surprising tactic you used to do this feat, i dont believe you actually did this.

If you want the gameplay to be challenging than WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING?

It's like talking to a small child! (Wynne quotes FTW!)

Hard mode is actually the intended difficulty. Friendly fire is at 100%. I didn't use any stunning tactics, and I didn't abuse any spells.

I installed the dex fix if that makes a difference, although it tends to make gameplay harder, not easier.

Perhaps you're just...bad?

[addiction21]

cheeseslayersmu wrote...


Hard mode is actually the intended difficulty. Friendly fire is at 100%. I didn't use any stunning tactics, and I didn't abuse any spells.

I would think hard would be the hard difficulty.  I guess the developer did not get your memo?

[cheeseslayersmu]

addiction21 wrote...

cheeseslayersmu wrote...


Hard mode is actually the intended difficulty. Friendly fire is at 100%. I didn't use any stunning tactics, and I didn't abuse any spells.

I would think hard would be the hard difficulty.  I guess the developer did not get your memo?

Hard is actually the 'fair' difficulty, but because there are more creatures than your party it makes it hard.

But on hard you don't get any easy breaks (like 50% friendly fire) normal mode does.

[Steel Majere343]

you really did that with only 30 potions?



well now im at a loss, i dont know what im doing wrong. perhaps i didnt put enough points into the health stat for my warrior. i use tactics, i set all those, i actually like them. but im being met with a little bit too much hostility here lol.



most say that i should live with this decision i see, and have to take up a healer (how you did that i will never know, my party could never due without some method of healing).



in my opinion i was stating that this shouldnt happen in a game. Basically if they give me a choice i do expect to go down a diffrent path, maybe lose a party member if they hated what i did.



i could still go on just fine in the game so long as i had potions. but to take away that supply.



but listening to you and those before you it seems i am doing something wrong to where im using more potions then should be necessary.



my tank is at level 14 and he has a constitution rating of 26 and his total health is 283.



is that sort of what he should look like for a strong build? i admit i put a couple poins into the minor stats like dextarity but the majority of them went strate to strength and constitution.



hmm..im unsure what im doing wrong.



i guess ill just have to live with having the generic party of mage warrior rogue healer.



at least until i figure out whats wrong and if its too late to fix like stat issues, i guess ill have to wait till the next play through.

[Steel Majere343]

why are you so hostile? i am not a child for one.



i do want the challenge as you stated but you see i was happy with that challenge when i had the supply of potions i thought was mandatory for everyone to use but it appears its just my party that sucks or perhaps me in particular im not sure lol.



i have no arguement now as i thought that everyone needed this supply of potions but if it is just me then normal is..well..normal difficulty and not hard as it is to me on my game.



right now it is very hard for me to survive, revanents (is that a spoiler?, its just an enemy i think its even on the site so..) are now almost impossable for me to kill. much less dragons, although i can live with dragons being impossable to kill for me because they are supposed to be very dangerous beasts.



but revenants, while still in lore a great danger, used to take me like close to 10 potions to kill one, more like 20 or 30 if im dealing with it in a mob like the one that appears in a forest from a quest.



and yet now, i have maybe...yup. iv got 4. and iv been to every shop available to me right now.



hmm

[addiction21]

My original playthru I used morrigan with just the basic 4 spells from the creation tree. Healing, rejuv, mass rejuv, regen. Also heavy on the Crowd controll spells like blizzard and sleep. Worked pretty well for me. Blizzard and fireball I found to be excellent damage/cc spells for dealing with ranged groups.

Since we can not stand over your shoulder and see how your doing things the advice that can be given is limited.

[Palathas]

I thought the drop rate was ok for both but you really needed a Spirit Healer in the party to carry it off. The only heal pot I found that was cheaper than just outright buying it was the lesser. Flasks cost 1sp10cp and you can find the Elf's Root, the Lesser Heal pots cost 1sp20cp, same with the Lyrium. To make anything more potent it was much cheaper to just buy the pot than make them.

This seemed very strange to me as that would mean the merchants were selling at a loss, either that or they were selling the materials at a higher price to make sure the punters bought the merchant's pots instead of making their own and if they did make their own the merchant was making a higher profit.

Modifié par Palathas, 03 décembre 2009 - 03:08 .

[Steel Majere343]

yes see i think me and palathas share a similar experience if i get a spirit healer then i will probly be able to survive. yet i didnt want one but i suppose my choices force my hand.



hm, i do have healing, while its recharge is relatively short still..its not really sufficing to keep everyone alive.



i do not have blizzard or fireball yet, i have CoC (those who play should know what the acronym stands for). which has proved great. but my only method of healing now seems to be that one spell, which only heals about a quarter of my tanks health and the potions i pick up, which are...not many.

[EvilIguana966]

Steel Majere has a legitimate point. He chose to roleplay his character a certain way, and a certain population no longer exists. He had no way to know that it would make it impossible to buy elfroots. It makes no sense that there is one guy in the whole country who sells this item in infinite numbers. Knowing that and making a different choice in the story because of a silly game mechanic constitutes metagaming, and you should never be forced to metagame. This whole idea of each important crafting ingredient having one guy somewhere who sells infinite amounts of it is just silly.

[RunCDFirst]

How many health poultices does one need? Have you invested in a Healer? They'll save you loads of sovereigns.

[Steel Majere343]

well its nice to know someone got my point i was trying to make earlier lol. that is exactly what i was trying to say in less words.



it is dissapointing to me because that closes off one option for me forever. never again will i do that now that i see it has clearly dissrupted my game in such a huge manner. and i will pass that on to my friends who also have grown accustomed to having a stock of potions to survive. and by telling them that, basically there is no longer any desire to go that path again. which is a shame.



but i have nothing but love for this game and if i have to. i will turn the difficulty down if it means i can keep making choices how i want.

[Steel Majere343]

well you see RunCDFirst, my goal was to not have a healer. i wanted to not be restricted, neither in my decisions for the storyline nor in my selection of who is in my party. i wanted to play through the game purely how i want to play it.



but i am learning that is either not possible or i am doing something severely wrong.



how many do i need? well before i would generate over a hundred, i would use maybe 2 on lesser fights, some of the boss efforts would cost me maybe 20, 30.



there are some exceptions to that of course, if something goes awry in any battle it may pump that 2 up to like 10 15 potions used, it really depends. regardless i used a LOT more then i have now lol.

[cheeseslayersmu]

Constitution actually isn't what you want to buff - dexterity is far more useful. It's better to avoid damage than be able to withstand more of it.



Make sure you have a lot of stuns, knockdowns, etc. The longer you keep enemies out of the battle the less damage you will sustain.



Morrigan can provide excellent support with buffs like flaming weapons, damage/slow spells like winters grasp, and CC like paralyze.



If you don't want to go the mage route, I was pretty successful with a party of Sten (2h), Leliana (Bard/Support archer), and Alistair (Sword + Shield).



Invest in items that give regeneration; they're worth a fortune. Anything from Pinning Shot to Shield Bash can be used to take enemies out of battle.



Target mages first. I set up Alistair's tactics so that he went for mages first and then attacked enemies with the lowest health.



Make sure to focus fire as much as possible. Make sure you have a lot of good armor as it's definitely a lifesaver.



If you have a rogue, poisons or traps can be a great investment on those tougher fights. Make sure to use balms so you don't get roasted by dragons and such where applicable.



Also, take advantage of weapon types. Set up 2H warrior tactics to go for heavy armor first, because 2H warriors excel at ripping through armor.



Set up your dual-wield rogues or warriors to go for light armor targets (momentum is a must if you're going for DPS), and don't forget about backstabs!



Finally, runes are amazing.



Hope this helps.

[thisisme8]

Lil Kis wrote...

can nayone plz answer my questions...

When does this patch take effect and is it for the Playstation 3 version too and how do you download it?

Dude, I don't think anyone knows really...  especially since this thread is a zombie (it's been resurrected by evil necromancy).  I think it died close to a month ago, and without a Dev post in here, it could all just be hear-say and gossip.

[Steel Majere343]

lol am i that evil necromancy? i suppose i should appologize it wasnt my intention to "steal" the thread from a topic. i cant start new threads yet though for some reason. so this is my only way of getting my problem answered.



so i should invest in a huge amount of dextarity?..



i do have some tactics already picked up, like try not to have each member of your party attacking diffrent people, focus it down to one or possibly two if someone is off killing archers or mages.



i do know to take out the weakest first by sending one of my party members out to specifically kill them while my others handle another party member.



i dont think there is much hope for me, ill just have to turn it down sometimes or get that certain character, the spirit healer.



as it stands im no match

[cheeseslayersmu]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

lol am i that evil necromancy? i suppose i should appologize it wasnt my intention to "steal" the thread from a topic. i cant start new threads yet though for some reason. so this is my only way of getting my problem answered.

so i should invest in a huge amount of dextarity?..

i do have some tactics already picked up, like try not to have each member of your party attacking diffrent people, focus it down to one or possibly two if someone is off killing archers or mages.

i do know to take out the weakest first by sending one of my party members out to specifically kill them while my others handle another party member.

i dont think there is much hope for me, ill just have to turn it down sometimes or get that certain character, the spirit healer.

as it stands im no match

Not massive dexterity but a fair amount will help a lot.

[TastyLaksa]

I think mana potions should be removed completely. Spell spamming should stay in mmorpgs.

[Skye Kross]

no problem with potions, but we warriors and rogues need stamina potions XD. well yes drops are strangely low on items (not potions coz we can make tons) and i agree than animals should not drop armor and or potions and even money lol. but i like that they get werewolf skin hahaha, i would skin werewolves too if i killed them like wolves

[Steel Majere343]

idk about that but i do wish there was another way to get health potions. not complaining, now that iv moved down to casual mode it doesnt really matter anymore. but i do wish i could have finished it on normal, now everything seems pretty easy to beat and i wont get those joys of finally killing that super hard boss but now i also wont die a ton due to not having a good healing stratagy.