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[krylo]

Collider wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

I could see Miranda and Jack having "I so ****ing hate you" sex.

I don't.

I'd like to.

[addiction21]

Collider wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...
ME1 was released before BW was brought under the banner of EA.
Hence, my previous conspiracy theory that EA was responsible for the lack of homosexual content. There's no lesbian encounter with Morinth, she pokes you (not in a good way) and you die.

If the influence of EA was so strong over the direction of Mass Effect 2's romances, Bioware could just as easily gotten rid of the sexualities of Kelly, Morinth, and Samara. They could have had no mention that Jack has had sexual relations - to whatever extent - with another female. They could have done this easily, but they didn't, which leads me to believe that EA had little to no part in this.

And then there is DAO...

[JamieCOTC]

Collider wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...
Notice how both those scenarios ended with being "smote by the rapture" .. ?

So? Morinth, one person, is to blame for both. Let's not forget that Mass Effect 1 had the lesbian sex scene between female shepard and Liara. I hope you are not suggesting that simply because sex is not explicitely available for a lesbian female shepard, Bioware is being offensive or insensitive.

I do NOT beleive BioWare is being offensive, insensitive or even bowing down to particular networks.  I believe they are, like most video games comapnies, playing to the demographics. And no, I don't believe that most 18 to 30 yos are homophobes.  The F/F stuff is there as a tease.  How many guys on thes forums have posted F/F = ROCK ON or some such?  That's why the F/F was in ME1 to begin with.  It just got, maybe not toned down, but rearanged in ME2.  There is a lot of F/F titilation (no pun intended) but no real pay-off as in ME1. 

[Unato]

DaeJi wrote...

Unato wrote...

err isn't asari asexual?

Asexual means that a person isn't interested in sex: aside from Samara, name one Asari in the game that fits that description.

my dictionary states asexual = no evident sex or sex organs; sexless

I will source another dictionary as most english words have more then one meaning

[KumoriOokami]

addiction21 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...
ME1 was released before BW was brought under the banner of EA.
Hence, my previous conspiracy theory that EA was responsible for the lack of homosexual content. There's no lesbian encounter with Morinth, she pokes you (not in a good way) and you die.

If the influence of EA was so strong over the direction of Mass Effect 2's romances, Bioware could just as easily gotten rid of the sexualities of Kelly, Morinth, and Samara. They could have had no mention that Jack has had sexual relations - to whatever extent - with another female. They could have done this easily, but they didn't, which leads me to believe that EA had little to no part in this.

And then there is DAO...

Rogues do it from behind...

And I definitely wouldn't consider Morinth a good love interest option since ya know, she'll kill you and I don't think Liara would be as happy to pay to have you rezzed again if you went and did that.  :-P

[Talogrungi]

Collider wrote...

If the influence of EA was so strong over the direction of Mass Effect 2's romances, Bioware could just as easily gotten rid of the sexualities of Kelly, Morinth, and Samara. They could have had no mention that Jack has had sexual relations - to whatever extent - with another female. They could have done this easily, but they didn't, which leads me to believe that EA had little to no part in this.

I disagree. I actually think that F/F romance options were in the game at one point but removed, and almost certainly at the instigation of EA as a means to avoid the controversy that ME1 encountered.

Unfortunately, in the absence of supporting evidence either way, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[JamieCOTC]

Unato wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

Unato wrote...

err isn't asari asexual?

Asexual means that a person isn't interested in sex: aside from Samara, name one Asari in the game that fits that description.

my dictionary states asexual = no evident sex or sex organs; sexless

I will source another dictionary as most english words have more then one meaning

Liara states that "She isn't exactly a women as her species only has one gender." Okay, how about this.  A female cat isn't a woman, but she is female. So, w/ that logic, I guess Asari are NOT women after all.   

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 16 février 2010 - 02:06 .

[Naltair]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Didn't make any sense to me either.  Jack is clearly bi or at least doesn't care.  Maybe that's it.  At first she doesn't care, but then if you comfort her enough she comes around and realizes that being bi is a sin.  ME2 pretty much goes out of its way to quash any F/F relationships.  I guess that means in ME3 if you are female and Liara is your LI she will have to die before you get too close to any pay-off.

I know, horse beaten beyond glue stage. 

Yet male Shepards have nothing at all in any Mass effect game for same sex relationship so this argument holds no water.

[Unato]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Unato wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

Unato wrote...

err isn't asari asexual?

Asexual means that a person isn't interested in sex: aside from Samara, name one Asari in the game that fits that description.

my dictionary states asexual = no evident sex or sex organs; sexless

I will source another dictionary as most english words have more then one meaning

Liara states that "She isn't exactly a women as her species only has one gender." Okay, how about this.  A female cat isn't a woman, but she is female. So, w/ that logic, I guess Asari are NOT women after all.   

that totally works, not sure where it's going but the logic is sound =p

I have to replay ME1 to see what Liara says, I just don't have enough saves for all her dialogue

Modifié par Unato, 16 février 2010 - 02:08 .

[Collider]

JamieCOTC wrote...
I do NOT beleive BioWare is being offensive, insensitive or even bowing down to particular networks.  I believe they are, like most video games comapnies, playing to the demographics. And no, I don't believe that most 18 to 30 yos are homophobes.  The F/F stuff is there as a tease.  How many guys on thes forums have posted F/F = ROCK ON or some such?  That's why the F/F was in ME1 to begin with.  It just got, maybe not toned down, but rearanged in ME2.  There is a lot of F/F titilation (no pun intended) but no real pay-off as in ME1. 

Thank for explaining your position.

Talogrungi wrote...

I disagree. I actually think that F/F
romance options were in the game at one point but removed, and almost
certainly at the instigation of EA as a means to avoid the controversy
that ME1 encountered.

The problem with your theory is that this could have even more easily have been done with the other references to lesbian relations. Samara could be uninterested in Shepard whatever gender, or in an extreme example, only interested in male shepard, however unlikely. Morinth could have been courting a man instead of a woman. Kelly could have been an option only for male shepard. Kelly would be even easier to remove, judging by the smaller depth to the "romance" with Kelly.

As for the bisexual romances that were cut. This is not to indicate that if Bioware had their way, they would indeed be bisexual. Characters go through many iterations and transformations, not all proposed concepts are used nor are they necessarily indicative of the character whatsoever. Star Wars, another science fiction franchise, originally had CP30 as a used car saleman kind of character, and Han Solo was originally going to be an alien, among other unused concepts. As it so happens, Bioware may just decided that these characters were simply not bisexual.

Unfortunately, in the absence of supporting evidence either way, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Ok.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Nyaore wrote...

Because she doesn't like women?

In conversation Jack talks about having a sexual relationship with two pirates she was travelling with, one male and one female.

She likes women. I guess she just doesn't like FemShep.

[addiction21]

Talogrungi wrote...

Collider wrote...

If the influence of EA was so strong over the direction of Mass Effect 2's romances, Bioware could just as easily gotten rid of the sexualities of Kelly, Morinth, and Samara. They could have had no mention that Jack has had sexual relations - to whatever extent - with another female. They could have done this easily, but they didn't, which leads me to believe that EA had little to no part in this.

I disagree. I actually think that F/F romance options were in the game at one point but removed, and almost certainly at the instigation of EA as a means to avoid the controversy that ME1 encountered.

Unfortunately, in the absence of supporting evidence either way, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Lack of supporting evidence... well how about another BW produced EA backed game with plenty of homosexual relationships in it. I think it is called DAO...
Your arguement seems to be "OMG EA DID IT!!!" but if thats the truth and EA is scared of having homosexual relationships in their games then explain DAO, or does it just not count?

[Lord Atlia]

jlb524 wrote...

I made her one in my game, because I have the PC version and I can do stuff like that.

Muuhhaaahhaa!!!

WTF!? No fair! How did you get Jaheira!?

[JamieCOTC]

Unato wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Unato wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

Unato wrote...

err isn't asari asexual?

Asexual means that a person isn't interested in sex: aside from Samara, name one Asari in the game that fits that description.

my dictionary states asexual = no evident sex or sex organs; sexless

I will source another dictionary as most english words have more then one meaning

Liara states that "She isn't exactly a women as her species only has one gender." Okay, how about this.  A female cat isn't a woman, but she is female. So, w/ that logic, I guess Asari are NOT women after all.   

that totally works, not sure where it's going but the logic is sound =p

I have to replay ME1 to see what Liara says, I just don't have enough saves for all her dialogue

"Ah, but by that rational, if an Asari had a better personality, she would be a woman."
"Better be one charmin' mother-f*cking Asari. Ten times more charmin than that Paris Hilton on Simple Life." 

[Unato]

^

lol win

save game editor, google it, it's your friend

/comfort xbox owners

Modifié par Unato, 16 février 2010 - 02:14 .

[Eshaye]

Nyaore wrote...
Huh, could have sworn I heard her tell my femshep that she didn't belong to the 'girls club'. Must have just misinterpreted it.

I figured she meant she doesn't want to be BFF's, hold hands and shop for hand bags. I could be wrong.

[The Governator]

Moogliepie wrote...

Did they think she was too stereotypical to make her a lesbian love interest? She pretty much indicates her bi-nature in dialog options. Do you think they just left her out due to deadline issues? 

Yick.

[Naltair]

Unato wrote...

^

lol win

save game editor, google it, it's your friend

/comfort xbox owners

How will that support importing though into ME3?

[Lord Atlia]

Due to sound recordings we know that f/f pairing(s?) was at one time on the table, when and why it was cut is speculation.

Modifié par Lord Atlia, 16 février 2010 - 02:22 .

[KumoriOokami]

Naltair wrote...

Unato wrote...

^

lol win

save game editor, google it, it's your friend

/comfort xbox owners

How will that support importing though into ME3?

It probably wouldn't.  :-P  But unless romances from ME2 transfer a lot better than the ones from ME1 did, it probably wouldn't matter anyways.

[Naltair]

Lord Atlia wrote...

Do to sound recordings we know that f/f pairing(s?) was at one time on the table, when and why it was cut is speculation.

There is dialog for Tali on Horizon and dialog for Legion on Moridin's recruitment mission, it was also cut.

They just decided to cut it, we don't know why and not enough information to even make an educated guess.

[Unato]

Lord Atlia wrote...

Due to sound recordings we know that f/f pairing(s?) was at one time on the table, when and why it was cut is speculation.

the only F/F lines for jack is the casual sex one ( "ok I like how you move..." ) there's absolutely nothing else in the ?5? afc containers amounting to some 300+ audio files to suggest a F/F relationship was planned. in comparison the F/F for tali is extensively done with the female shep VA doing alot of the same lines as the male shep VA but again ultimately not the all romance lines said by the  male shep  VA was repeated by the female shep  VA ( and neither character's culmination afc container holds any lines done by the female shep VA )

as for the save game editor I wouldn't have a clue how it will affect ME3 import if you do a F/F relationship it will prob fail or something, can't tell you until ME3 comes out

Modifié par Unato, 16 février 2010 - 02:28 .

[HAGA NAGA]

woulda been nice.

[Lord Atlia]

Unato wrote...

Lord Atlia wrote...

Due to sound recordings we know that f/f pairing(s?) was at one time on the table, when and why it was cut is speculation.

the only F/F lines for jack is the casual sex one ( "ok I like how you move..." ) there's absolutely nothing else in the ?5? afc containers amounting to some 300+ audio files to suggest a F/F relationship was planned. in comparison the F/F for tali is extensively done with the female shep VA doing alot of the same lines as the male shep VA but again ultimately not the all romance lines said by the  male shep  VA was repeated by the female shep  VA ( and neither character's culmination afc container holds any lines done by the female shep VA )

as for the save game editor I wouldn't have a clue how it will affect ME3 import if you do a F/F relationship it will prob fail or something, can't tell you until ME3 comes out

Yeah I was referencing the Tali one, sorry for ambiguity in my post.
@Naltair, you just restated what I said just clearer. 

Modifié par Lord Atlia, 16 février 2010 - 02:35 .

[Talogrungi]

addiction21 wrote...

Lack of supporting evidence... well how about another BW produced EA backed game with plenty of homosexual relationships in it. I think it is called DAO...
Your arguement seems to be "OMG EA DID IT!!!" but if thats the truth and EA is scared of having homosexual relationships in their games then explain DAO, or does it just not count?

Dragon Age is rated 18, ME2 is rated 15.

Different target audiences; greater market penetration (hurhur) with lower age rating. Possible contributory factor.