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[HAGA NAGA]

Unato wrote...

they have dinner... why does everyone equate dinner + your cabin = sex

seriously I think it speaks more about us as humans if that's all we think about

umm...........****ty clothes, stripper dances, snuggling, sitting on Sheps lap (maleshep AND Femshep).  um yeah, it wasn't the dinner that suggested sex to me it was all that other stuff. 

[aaniadyen]

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Modifié par aaniadyen, 16 février 2010 - 05:06 .

[Bootsykk]

Jack is not Bisexual.

She specifically stated having a three way with a woman and her partner, but that does not make her bisexual by any standards.

Many straight and sexually deviating women have expirimented with three-ways and the other sex, but that does NOT make them bisexual.


The truth is, Jack as a potential person to bed as a female shepard would probably incite a lot of anger towards Bioware because, based on her character, she would not take a female relationship seriously and shrug it off as 'just sex'; she would not have a 'paragon relationship' option.

[addiction21]

Abirn wrote...

It is obvious, its not in there because fox news would have had a tantrum over it.

No matter how many times you say it it will never be true.

[HAGA NAGA]

aaniadyen wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Femshep isn't lesbian, so she wouldn't go for it. If you can...well I have no idea.

maybe your Femshep isn't. mine is and supported as being such by Bioware's content.

Nope. Everyone's Shepard is straight. You play a preexisting character, and can chose what they do to an extent, but nothing major.

huh. that's an extremely bizarre perspective you've got going there. i don't really see that it is backed up by logic but ok.

[KumoriOokami]

aaniadyen wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Femshep isn't lesbian, so she wouldn't go for it. If you can...well I have no idea.

maybe your Femshep isn't. mine is and supported as being such by Bioware's content.

Nope. Everyone's Shepard is straight. You play a preexisting character, and can chose what they do to an extent, but nothing major.

Meh I don't care what "asari aren't really female" silly nonsense Bioware comes up with, since my femShep has eyes for no one but Liara I hardly think that she could be seen as straight. >_<

[aaniadyen]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Femshep isn't lesbian, so she wouldn't go for it. If you can...well I have no idea.

maybe your Femshep isn't. mine is and supported as being such by Bioware's content.

Nope. Everyone's Shepard is straight. You play a preexisting character, and can chose what they do to an extent, but nothing major.

huh. that's an extremely bizarre perspective you've got going there. i don't really see that it is backed up by logic but ok.

It's what the devs have always said. Since ME 1. I thought it was wierd too, but you kinda forget that you're not playing anything but your own character that you made.

Modifié par aaniadyen, 16 février 2010 - 05:07 .

[Spiratic]

DaeJi wrote...

Unato wrote...

err isn't asari asexual?

Asexual means that a person isn't interested in sex: aside from Samara, name one Asari in the game that fits that description.

a·sex·u·al  (ā-sěk'shōō-əl)   
adj.  
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[*]
Having no evident sex or sex organs; sexless.


[*]
Relating to, produced by, or involving reproduction that occurs without the union of male and female gametes, as in binary fission or budding.


[*]
Lacking interest in or desire for sex.



technically your partially right, but Asari are truly asexual they do not reproduce through sexual organs, there is no egg and sperm, if asari reproduction would be considered anything it would probably be considered some sort of fission

Modifié par Spiratic, 16 février 2010 - 05:19 .

[HAGA NAGA]

aaniadyen wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Femshep isn't lesbian, so she wouldn't go for it. If you can...well I have no idea.

maybe your Femshep isn't. mine is and supported as being such by Bioware's content.

Nope. Everyone's Shepard is straight. You play a preexisting character, and can chose what they do to an extent, but nothing major.

huh. that's an extremely bizarre perspective you've got going there. i don't really see that it is backed up by logic but ok.

It's what the devs have always said. Since ME 1. I thought it was wierd too, but you kinda forget that you're not playing anything but your own character that you made.

I don't remember the Devs ever saying, "Everyone's Shepard is straight" which is YOUR comment that i'm taking issue with.  The devs did however say this:

Dusty Everman wrote...

Spoiler Alert: How to "Romance" Yeoman Kelly Chambers


Does doing this with Kelly count as cheating on your ME1 love interest?  Kelly’s a free spirit, and as such can be more of a bed buddy, hence why “romancing” her doesn’t turn down the picture frame on your desk, or get in the way of your romancing any of the main ME2 love interests.  Will this affect anything in ME3?  Well, we haven’t made the game yet, but the fact that you had Kelly up to your cabin is in your save game.

The fact that you can "Romance" (devs words not mine) Kelly Chambers as Femshep kind of shuts down your point that "Everyone's Shepard is straight".  Tell me where i'm wrong here.

[aaniadyen]

KumoriOokami wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Femshep isn't lesbian, so she wouldn't go for it. If you can...well I have no idea.

maybe your Femshep isn't. mine is and supported as being such by Bioware's content.

Nope. Everyone's Shepard is straight. You play a preexisting character, and can chose what they do to an extent, but nothing major.

Meh I don't care what "asari aren't really female" silly nonsense Bioware comes up with, since my femShep has eyes for no one but Liara I hardly think that she could be seen as straight. >_<

Well, have you listened in on the bachelor party on Ilium? All three of those guys are of a different species. At one point, they talk about how Asari are alike to each of their species and they look at eachother like "Wtf? They are CLEARLY more like my species than yours." Asari are asexual. They resemble a lot of species. *shrugs* thats about as good an explination as I can give. As far as how people OOC percieve Asari gender...well, it's obviously female. Not much you can say to argue with that. Maybe Bioware was simply trying to give the people who wanted f/f relationships one viable option that still made sense within the bounds of the setting.

[aaniadyen]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Femshep isn't lesbian, so she wouldn't go for it. If you can...well I have no idea.

maybe your Femshep isn't. mine is and supported as being such by Bioware's content.

Nope. Everyone's Shepard is straight. You play a preexisting character, and can chose what they do to an extent, but nothing major.

huh. that's an extremely bizarre perspective you've got going there. i don't really see that it is backed up by logic but ok.

It's what the devs have always said. Since ME 1. I thought it was wierd too, but you kinda forget that you're not playing anything but your own character that you made.

I don't remember the Devs ever saying, "Everyone's Shepard is straight" which is YOUR comment that i'm taking issue with.  The devs did however say this:

Dusty Everman wrote...

Spoiler Alert: How to "Romance" Yeoman Kelly Chambers


Does doing this with Kelly count as cheating on your ME1 love interest?  Kelly’s a free spirit, and as such can be more of a bed buddy, hence why “romancing” her doesn’t turn down the picture frame on your desk, or get in the way of your romancing any of the main ME2 love interests.  Will this affect anything in ME3?  Well, we haven’t made the game yet, but the fact that you had Kelly up to your cabin is in your save game.

The fact that you can "Romance" (devs words not mine) Kelly Chambers as Femshep kind of shuts down your point that "Everyone's Shepard is straight".  Tell me where i'm wrong here.

I'll see if I can find the article where I read it. As for the post..."romance" is clearly used loosely. Maybe the devs worded their post poorly, maybe they counted the thing with Kelly as "just an incesequential flig" kind of deal. I'm not sure. I couldn't care one way or another about Shepard being gay/lesbian. I'm just trying to repeat what my understanding of why there are no f/f, or m/m romances in-game. In the article, they never come out and explicitly say "Everyone's Shepard is straight." They do say "You play the role of Commander Shepard. While you are given a certain amount of freedom in what coarse of action Shepard takes, you are still playing as Commander Shepard. He does what he is going to do, you simply decide how he does it." Considering Shepard has no female love interests, it's fair to assume that this applies to sexual orientation as well.

Modifié par aaniadyen, 16 février 2010 - 05:26 .

[KumoriOokami]

aaniadyen wrote...



Well, have you listened in on the bachelor party on Ilium? All three of those guys are of a different species. At one point, they talk about how Asari are alike to each of their species and they look at eachother like "Wtf? They are CLEARLY more like my species than yours." Asari are asexual. They resemble a lot of species. *shrugs* thats about as good an explination as I can give. As far as how people OOC percieve Asari gender...well, it's obviously female. Not much you can say to argue with that. Maybe Bioware was simply trying to give the people who wanted f/f relationships one viable option that still made sense within the bounds of the setting.

Yeah but for human purpose since asari (to my knowledge lol) aren't traps they would basically be female.  ^^;  I guess I just kindof figured that they were more or less like those whiptail lizards.  ^^;

[aaniadyen]

KumoriOokami wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...



Well, have you listened in on the bachelor party on Ilium? All three of those guys are of a different species. At one point, they talk about how Asari are alike to each of their species and they look at eachother like "Wtf? They are CLEARLY more like my species than yours." Asari are asexual. They resemble a lot of species. *shrugs* thats about as good an explination as I can give. As far as how people OOC percieve Asari gender...well, it's obviously female. Not much you can say to argue with that. Maybe Bioware was simply trying to give the people who wanted f/f relationships one viable option that still made sense within the bounds of the setting.

Yeah but for human purpose since asari (to my knowledge lol) aren't traps they would basically be female.  ^^;  I guess I just kindof figured that they were more or less like those whiptail lizards.  ^^;

lol, I'm not arguing with you there. They definately resemble human females.

[HAGA NAGA]

aaniadyen wrote...

I'll see if I can find the article where I read it. As for the post..."romance" is clearly used loosely. Maybe the devs worded their post poorly, maybe they counted the thing with Kelly as "just an incesequential flig" kind of deal. I'm not sure. I couldn't care one way or another about Shepard being gay/lesbian. I'm just trying to repeat what my understanding of why there are no f/f, or m/m romances in-game.

lol. ok.

i won't hold my breath waiting for you to find that article where they said "Everyone's Shepard is straight". but masterful job of discounting my point.

i guess girls can have "inconsequential flings" with other girls and it doesn't mean they are bisexual or lesbian it means they are actually straight. brilliant deduction.

[aaniadyen]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

I'll see if I can find the article where I read it. As for the post..."romance" is clearly used loosely. Maybe the devs worded their post poorly, maybe they counted the thing with Kelly as "just an incesequential flig" kind of deal. I'm not sure. I couldn't care one way or another about Shepard being gay/lesbian. I'm just trying to repeat what my understanding of why there are no f/f, or m/m romances in-game.

lol. ok.

i won't hold my breath waiting for you to find that article where they said "Everyone's Shepard is straight". but masterful job of discounting my point.

i guess girls can have "inconsequential flings" with other girls and it doesn't mean they are bisexual or lesbian it means they are actually straight. brilliant deduction.

They can. Ever heard of experimenting?

Either way. I'm not arguing at all. I'm just trying to make sense of it. I agree that the scene with Chambers disagrees with what the devs said. All I'm saying is, maybe they didn't make much of it. Wouldn't you think that if Shepard was gay/lesbian, he/she would have at least one real relationship with someone of the same sex? So far we have two games released of the Mass Effect trilogy. So far, I haven't seen any evidence pointing toward Shepard not being straight besides Chambers' scene at the end of ME 2.

[HAGA NAGA]

aaniadyen wrote...

 As for the post..."romance" is clearly used loosely. Maybe the devs worded their post poorly, maybe they counted the thing with Kelly as "just an incesequential flig" kind of deal. I'm not sure.

oh and one more thing, just so you know for future reference, when people put a word in quotations more than three times in their post they are hardly using it "loosely" as you claim "romance" is being used by the Dev. just something to think on.

[aaniadyen]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

 As for the post..."romance" is clearly used loosely. Maybe the devs worded their post poorly, maybe they counted the thing with Kelly as "just an incesequential flig" kind of deal. I'm not sure.

oh and one more thing, just so you know for future reference, when people put a word in quotations more than three times in their post they are hardly using it "loosely" as you claim "romance" is being used by the Dev. just something to think on.

Actually, that's exactly what it means. The use of quotations implies that the speaker is using it in a context which is subjective.

It's obvious you're trying to insult my intelligence because I've offended you by giving evidence that Commander Shepard is not lesbian. Trust me. I don't care about this at all. I am totally impartial to Commander Shepard's sexual orientation. I'm not even arguing.

Modifié par aaniadyen, 16 février 2010 - 05:46 .

[HAGA NAGA]

aaniadyen wrote...

They can. Ever heard of experimenting?

Either way. I'm not arguing at all. I'm just trying to make sense of it. I agree that the scene with Chambers disagrees with what the devs said. All I'm saying is, maybe they didn't make much of it. Wouldn't you think that if Shepard was gay/lesbian, he/she would have at least one real relationship with someone of the same sex? So far we have two games released of the Mass Effect trilogy. So far, I haven't seen any evidence pointing toward Shepard not being straight besides Chambers' scene at the end of ME 2.

how is Chambers not enough to lead you to conclude that Femshep "can" be a lesbian? hell, the fact that you can play the game through without romancing anyone leads me to conclude that you "can" role a Shepard that isn't interested in relationships period.

and as for your "experimenting" thing, YEAH! you could totally role a Shep that experiments with guys and girls. dude they left room for people to play their Shep as "their" Shep.  It just when people come into a thread and say "THERE IS NO THIS SHEP! THERE IS NO THAT SHEP!" that i have to call the bs as i see it and the comment that "Everyone's Shepard is straight" is total bs. sorry.

[HAGA NAGA]

aaniadyen wrote...

It's obvious you're trying to insult my intelligence because I've offended you by giving evidence that Commander Shepard is not lesbian. Trust me. I don't care about this at all. I am totally impartial to Commander Shepard's sexual orientation. I'm not even arguing.

i'm not trying to insult your intelligence. and i'm sorry, but you need to read the last 2 pages again, you've given no evidence whatsoever that "Everyone's Shepard is straight".

[aaniadyen]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

They can. Ever heard of experimenting?

Either way. I'm not arguing at all. I'm just trying to make sense of it. I agree that the scene with Chambers disagrees with what the devs said. All I'm saying is, maybe they didn't make much of it. Wouldn't you think that if Shepard was gay/lesbian, he/she would have at least one real relationship with someone of the same sex? So far we have two games released of the Mass Effect trilogy. So far, I haven't seen any evidence pointing toward Shepard not being straight besides Chambers' scene at the end of ME 2.

how is Chambers not enough to lead you to conclude that Femshep "can" be a lesbian? hell, the fact that you can play the game through without romancing anyone leads me to conclude that you "can" role a Shepard that isn't interested in relationships period.

and as for your "experimenting" thing, YEAH! you could totally role a Shep that experiments with guys and girls. dude they left room for people to play their Shep as "their" Shep.  It just when people come into a thread and say "THERE IS NO THIS SHEP! THERE IS NO THAT SHEP!" that i have to call the bs as i see it and the comment that "Everyone's Shepard is straight" is total bs. sorry.

It's pretty obvious you're emotionally invested. I'm not going to try to change your mind and that was never my intention to begin with. *shrugs* This has gotten out of hand. Let's just agree to disagree.

[durasteel]

Collider wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

I could see Miranda and Jack having "I so ****ing hate you" sex.

I don't.

Miranda wouldn't torque that skank with your socket wrench.

Seriously, there is no way I can see Miranda ever finding Jack in the least bit attractive, even if she was a lesbian.  Miranda is too focused, centered, and control oriented to get into a relationship with someone that chaotic, undisciplined, and unhinged.

[durasteel]

Skyblade012 wrote...
Asari are not a bisexual race, and male/female have no true meaning for them.  They are technically asexual, despite their appearances.

Asari bear live young and breast feed them.  They are capable of participating in intercourse with human males in what that human male would consider a "normal" way.  It really doesn't matter whether an Asari considers herself to be female, Shepard (being human) certainly would.  That makes FemShep + Liara = lesbian, from Shepard's point of view.  Shepard would never refer to Liara as "him" or even "it."  Liara is "she," and "her."

Also, I would point out that Asari refer to one another using female pronouns, exclusively.  Older Asari are referred to as matrons and matriarchs.  They have girl cooties.

[durasteel]

DaeJi wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 2 are both rated 17+ in the states; anyway, I don't see gay romances pushing up the rating.

No, probably not... but even one single solitary female nipple would crank that rating up to eleven!

[HAGA NAGA]

aaniadyen wrote...

It's pretty obvious you're emotionally invested. I'm not going to try to change your mind and that was never my intention to begin with. *shrugs* This has gotten out of hand. Let's just agree to disagree.

what can i say? i get irritated when people say definitive things about everyone elses Shepards that aren't true. myself, i would never come onto the forums and say "Everyone's Shepard is bi-curious!".  it would be a retarded thing to say, it would be void of logic and i would expect it to ****** off a lot of ME fans and rightly so.

imo, it got out of hand when you said "Everyone's Shepard is straight". it struck me as a foolish and ill-informed thing to say that was crafted to incite an argument. i challenged it and you failed to provide any supportive evidence to back the statement up. 

not a big deal though. if you want to "agree to disagree" at this point in the argument i can understand why. consider it dropped.