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[JamieCOTC]

That may not have been most popular choice, but I would hope it has repercussions in ME3.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

GnB Epro wrote...
They're synthetic, so I choose not to trust them. Its the same reason I don't trust husks or the reapers.

Being synthetic doesn't make them untrustworthy or hostile, that's like saying "They're dextro-amino based so I can't trust them".

Husks are mindless creatures that are hostile towards anything and at least the Reapers (who aren't solely synthetic BTW) tell you they want to kill you and have a clear history of that.

[Internet Kraken]

GnB Epro wrote...



I spent all of ME1 killing geth...and I'm expected to suddenly trust one?!?!? They killed Tali's father!! They are wageing war on the Quarians! All Cerberus is doing is bettering human-kind. Why is that so hard to trust?

Tali's father died becuase he was a god damn idiot. I felt no sympathy for him. And the important thing to remember is that the Quarians started the war with the Geth and they are the ones continuing it.

And Cerberus thought it would be fun to kill an entire squad and then inject thresher maw acid into the bloodstream of the survivor. Yep, they are definetly bettering human-kind.

All I'm saying is that if you give Cerberus a chance, you should give Legion a chance as well.

[GnB Epro]

newcomplex wrote...

From a RP perspective, its the logical thing to do. But legion is too cool for school.

Thank you, that's what I thought too.


I have played through and activated him. His role was interesting, but as a character...well he's easily replaceable. Stick any other geth in his place and its the same. You try and replace Miranda with any other human girl and it would be completely different.

This is not a shot to and Legion fans out there (and I know they're are a bunch of you) but it just didn't feel right siding with someone I had been fighting for so long.

[The Governator]

Lmaoboat wrote...

All the Geth want to do is make their own future. Why is that so hard to trust? And if you hadn't sent Legion away, you'd finf out that it's the Quarians waging war on the Geth.

The Quarians did make mistakes in their past, but the geth are not sapient.  What Sovereign says about Organics can REALLY be applied to VIs and AIs.  The geth are not victims.  Even Legion acknowledges that the geth don't hate or even feel anger towards the Quarians.  They exist to survive and they survive to exist.  They have no purpose. 

When Legion replays the recording of the Quarian speaking to a geth when it is asking questions of her, the geth seems to show rudimentary signs of cognition and self perception.  This slightly evolved 'thinking' does not seem to have transcended from that to full awareness.  Legion does not even understand his individuality.  The geth have hive minds and insect-like instincts.  I would rate them no higher.  

[GnB Epro]

Internet Kraken wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...



I spent all of ME1 killing geth...and I'm expected to suddenly trust one?!?!? They killed Tali's father!! They are wageing war on the Quarians! All Cerberus is doing is bettering human-kind. Why is that so hard to trust?

All I'm saying is that if you give Cerberus a chance, you should give Legion a chance as well.

I hear that. And I did, on another playthrough just to see what would happen. If I have to pick Tali over him (which you kind of have to for loyalties sake) than I will do it. I value her trust way more than I value his presence on my ship.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

From an RP perspective it is also logical to activate the Geth and try to learn what you can from it, since before there never was a chance to actually learn about the enemy or converse with them.



Hell, Shepard spoke with Sovreign at least to try to gauge his intentions. Everything else about the Geth from before has always been either self-defense or assumptions. It doesn't hurt to try some diplomacy.

His role was interesting, but as a character...well he's easily replaceable.

Actually, Legion is unique. The runtimes within him have been isolated for over 2 years and of course, he acts as a sort of ambassador/envy of the Geth to organics.

[Veen130]

GnB Epro wrote...
I felt like he would betray me in the long run.

"Geth do not infiltrate."

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

**** we Legion fans are ganging up on him, we should at least disguise ourselves to hid our bias.



lol

[Saberwolf116]

I gave him to Cerberus. I wouldn't do anything that would risk upsetting my precious Tali.

[Lmaoboat]

The Governator wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

All the Geth want to do is make their own future. Why is that so hard to trust? And if you hadn't sent Legion away, you'd finf out that it's the Quarians waging war on the Geth.

The Quarians did make mistakes in their past, but the geth are not sapient.  What Sovereign says about Organics can REALLY be applied to VIs and AIs.  The geth are not victims.  Even Legion acknowledges that the geth don't hate or even feel anger towards the Quarians.  They exist to survive and they survive to exist.  They have no purpose. 

When Legion replays the recording of the Quarian speaking to a geth when it is asking questions of her, the geth seems to show rudimentary signs of cognition and self perception.  This slightly evolved 'thinking' does not seem to have transcended from that to full awareness.  Legion does not even understand his individuality.  The geth have hive minds and insect-like instincts.  I would rate them no higher.  

If you would payed more attention, you would see the Geth are evolving and already have their own philosophies and culture. They also seek to learn and understand the about other races.  It doesn't matter of they are organic, synthetic, or non-coporeal, they're intelligent life.

[dreman9999]

GnB Epro wrote...

I feel like everyone took Legion as a squadmate, while I gave him to cerberus and left without him.

I felt like he would betray me in the long run. Yes, I understand the different factions of Geth and that he was the true Geth, but I still don't trust it.

And before anyone points it out, YES I trust Cerberus and YES I gave them the collector base. I want the Illusive Man on my side and I would rather Cerberus experiment on Legion and the base to help me out later.

Legion is you biggest fan. He spent 2 years hunting you down for your autograph. He would not betray you. You missed on a great character.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

The Governator wrote...
The Quarians did make mistakes in their past, but the geth are not sapient.

Completely, absolutely untrue. Even the Quarians won't deny that the Geth are sapient, hell that is what caused the revolt in the first place.

The geth are not victims.  Even Legion acknowledges that the geth don't hate or even feel anger towards the Quarians.

Sure, they're not victims because they won. They would be victims however if they were wiped out.

They exist to survive and they survive to exist.  They have no purpose.

The same is said of all organic life as well.  Organics make their own goals as individuals and as a community, the Geth also have their own goal in that they wish to expand their knowledge and intelligence. The exact same goal as organics.

Legion does not even understand his individuality.

It's new to him okay? It has only been two years since he was separated form the collective. Hell how long did it take cavemen to being practicing philosophy and become self-aware themselves? More then likely you learned about your own self-awareness from either text or privately on your own as a child, not from the moment of birth.

The geth have hive minds 

You organics are all racist.

[GnB Epro]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

From an RP perspective it is also logical to activate the Geth and try to learn what you can from it, since before there never was a chance to actually learn about the enemy or converse with them.

Hell, Shepard spoke with Sovreign at least to try to gauge his intentions. Everything else about the Geth from before has always been either self-defense or assumptions. It doesn't hurt to try some diplomacy.

His role was interesting, but as a character...well he's easily replaceable.

Actually, Legion is unique. The runtimes within him have been isolated for over 2 years and of course, he acts as a sort of ambassador/envy of the Geth to organics.

I have nothing wrong with Legion fans...or even Legion himself for that matter. Its the geth I don't like.


I took into account RP in this. I thought, "yes, I do need to learn from this." And it helped that Garrus supported taking it back to the ship at least. But once I got there, the risk was so high for me activating it on my ship, I figured that Cerberus could risk it in their labs and test him there. I'm sure they learned all sorts of wonderful information from Legion, and I'm sure it will be neatly formed into an e-mail for me. All safe and sound.


CONSIDERING THE ALTERNATIVE, if I had trusted Legion and activated him on the ship, it wouldn't have been bad in ME2. He's a nice synthetic and respectful to Shepard. I just didn't want to risk this.

[Kwonnern]

GnB Epro wrote...

I feel like everyone took Legion as a squadmate, while I gave him to cerberus and left without him.

I felt like he would betray me in the long run. Yes, I understand the different factions of Geth and that he was the true Geth, but I still don't trust it.

And before anyone points it out, YES I trust Cerberus and YES I gave them the collector base. I want the Illusive Man on my side and I would rather Cerberus experiment on Legion and the base to help me out later.

That's a good choice, i would've done the same given the opportunity in real life.

[FlashedMyDrive]

Well, when I gave the Illusive man the collector base, I didn't really get solace from his evil grin.



I don't really know how you trust a guy who gives you the "evil villain" grin.

[GnB Epro]

Saberwolf116 wrote...

I gave him to Cerberus. I wouldn't do anything that would risk upsetting my precious Tali.

Agreed. Tali love > robot thing potentially screwing over my mission.

Modifié par GnB Epro, 16 février 2010 - 05:03 .

[FlashedMyDrive]

Not to mention it was already stated that Geth do not want to destroy organics, they are not evil, and they are only violent when instigated.

[Lmaoboat]

I'd wouldn't give Legion to Cerberus. Legion could be the key to finally ending the war between the Geth and the Quarians.

[Aviena]

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

EDIT: I suppose if you trust Cerberus, the above may seem a bit pointless if you can count on your buddies to do the work for you. But TIM only tells Shep what she "needs to know".

Modifié par Aviena, 16 février 2010 - 05:06 .

[redloz]

I did once. I'm not sure why, maybe I just enjoy change.

[GnB Epro]

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

[Lmaoboat]

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

It's not like it's going to go, "Legion has betrayed you, way to go dummy." and delete your game.

[FlashedMyDrive]

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

I have no idea why you go on about this risk you speak of.


Legion already states that the geth are sided with Shepard and any organics fighting against the reapers.
He also stated that the geth do not want to destroy organics and that the Heretics were just a tiny break off from the main group.


I can bet you anything the the Geth will play as a major ally in the 3rd game.

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 16 février 2010 - 05:09 .

[GnB Epro]

Lmaoboat wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

It's not like it's going to go, "Legion has betrayed you, way to go dummy." and delete your game.

...it could have. It lets you have sex with Morinth and gives you a game over. That was kind of...silly...for lack of a better term. What if I kept getting "Critical Mission Failures" over and over again until I got rid of Legion. (not that it ever stood a chance of happening, but humor my RolePlaying)