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[Aviena]

I really can see where you're coming from when you say "too much risk". My Shep has the same reaction to all the genophage conversations with Mordin. The paragon responses are all along the lines of "you're a monster!!!1111! Cure it nao!" But my Shep just can't do it. 

Heck, we could have activated Legion and had it blow us to hell with its self destruct mechanism I suppose.

[Beholderess]

Heh, no matter if I trust Legion or not, I simply wouldn't turn any creature - organic or synthetic - over to Cerberus to be experimented upon. So, never done that to Legion

[GnB Epro]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

I have no idea why you go on about this risk you speak of.


Legion already states that the geth are sided with Shepard and any organics fighting against the reapers.
He also stated that the geth do not want to destroy organics and that was just a tiny break off from the main group.


I can bet you anything the the Geth will play as a major ally in the 3rd game.

But I didn't know (or could validate the truth of their loyalty, even if i did) that there was a certain faction of Geth on my side...because I didn't awaken Legion. Ignorance may not prove to be bliss in ME3 when it comes to this Legion situation, but my mission in ME2 went fluidly without him.

[FlashedMyDrive]

GnB Epro wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

It's not like it's going to go, "Legion has betrayed you, way to go dummy." and delete your game.

...it could have. It lets you have sex with Morinth and gives you a game over. That was kind of...silly...for lack of a better term. What if I kept getting "Critical Mission Failures" over and over again until I got rid of Legion. (not that it ever stood a chance of happening, but humor my RolePlaying)

Actually the Morinth thing only happens after you beat the main story.


And Bioware wouldn't make a squadmember give you "Critical Mission Failures" because then the squad member would be useless.

[GnB Epro]

Aviena wrote...

I really can see where you're coming from when you say "too much risk". My Shep has the same reaction to all the genophage conversations with Mordin. The paragon responses are all along the lines of "you're a monster!!!1111! Cure it nao!" But my Shep just can't do it. 

Heck, we could have activated Legion and had it blow us to hell with its self destruct mechanism I suppose.

lol my shepard feared that too.

[FlashedMyDrive]

GnB Epro wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

I have no idea why you go on about this risk you speak of.


Legion already states that the geth are sided with Shepard and any organics fighting against the reapers.
He also stated that the geth do not want to destroy organics and that was just a tiny break off from the main group.


I can bet you anything the the Geth will play as a major ally in the 3rd game.

But I didn't know (or could validate the truth of their loyalty, even if i did) that there was a certain faction of Geth on my side...because I didn't awaken Legion. Ignorance may not prove to be bliss in ME3 when it comes to this Legion situation, but my mission in ME2 went fluidly without him.

Explain to me, what made you think that Bioware would make a Squad member, just so it can sabatage you game?

Even before the game was released I knew legion was a squad member, it wasn't really kept secret

[FlashedMyDrive]

I think you taking this RPG immersion a bit too seriously.

[Nyaore]

I kept him for a number of reasons.
1. Having a working Geth to observe would prove invaluable to Tali and the faction of the Quarians that wish to reclaim their homeworld through force. Nobody has ever captured a working Geth before, let alone one who was WILLING to work with you in some capacity, and I felt that it could help immensely in the long run. Though of course this reason was nullified after I got to know Legion better and decided that peace between the two races would be best for everyone involved. No one has to die over what was essentially a huge misunderstanding that happened centuries before.
2. The lesson's from my interactions with Cerberus in ME1 were not easily forgotten, and the idea of giving them exclusive access to such an amazing find just didn't bode well in my mind.
3. I'm going to need ALL the help I can get when the Reapers finally come a calling, and seeing as the true Geth have no love for the 'old machines' I figured I should at least extend a small olive branch out towards them in hopes that my gaining Legion's loyalty would not go unrewarded in ME3.

Modifié par Nyaore, 16 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[Digifi]

I like the "risk" argument. You guys do remember how many geth you've killed? The colossus, which we all owned, is ten times the target Legion is and you've got a hardass AI with an endpoint design of fighting reapers in electronic combat to keep an eye on him. I'd say boot him up every time and if he were to get twitchy you can just poke out his flashlight and then go hang with Tali.

[Aviena]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

I have no idea why you go on about this risk you speak of.


Legion already states that the geth are sided with Shepard and any organics fighting against the reapers.
He also stated that the geth do not want to destroy organics and that was just a tiny break off from the main group.


I can bet you anything the the Geth will play as a major ally in the 3rd game.

But I didn't know (or could validate the truth of their loyalty, even if i did) that there was a certain faction of Geth on my side...because I didn't awaken Legion. Ignorance may not prove to be bliss in ME3 when it comes to this Legion situation, but my mission in ME2 went fluidly without him.

Explain to me, what made you think that Bioware would make a Squad member, just so it can sabatage you game?

Even before the game was released I knew legion was a squad member, it wasn't really kept secret

I don't think he's saying he will NEVER on ANY PLAYTHROUGH activate Legion in case it screws with his save file. Rather that, pretending Shep wasn't quite safe in the knowledge that Legion was just another scripted squadmember, he thought it better to play it safe. *shrug*

[shaneho78]

Play the way you want it. You are missing out on a great character, that's all.

[FlashedMyDrive]

shaneho78 wrote...

Play the way you want it. You are missing out on a great character, that's all.

More like a badass character.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

I think you taking this RPG immersion a bit too seriously.

Naw, he really isn't.

I did the same level of RPing in ME1 and I did the same in my first playthrough of ME2, it makes it more special when you're playing your story and are considering all of the risks and consequences of your actions.

It makes it a lot more fun and rewarding to see the results of your action, it just so happens that I'm more "idealistic"then "pragmatic". 

I respect the OP's choice, a lot and I also understood it. It just for me, Legion saving you and my own curiosity that pushed me to try to understand the Geth and whether they really hate all inorganics or if it is possible for a sapient species to co-exist w/ the humans.

Even though I'm mostly Paragon, I actually agree w/ the Genophage and Mordin modifying it. I'm hoping that Wrex unites the Krogan and they can exist peacefully w/ the other species then maybe I would advocate curing the genophage (although from my understanding, the genophage actually would put the Krogan population at a similar birth rate to other species if they behaved more peacefully and weren't killing each other. So a cure may not even be necessary).

I still don't understand why Paragons must oppose the genophage, there is idealism and then there is stupidity.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

I have no idea why you go on about this risk you speak of.


Legion already states that the geth are sided with Shepard and any organics fighting against the reapers.
He also stated that the geth do not want to destroy organics and that was just a tiny break off from the main group.


I can bet you anything the the Geth will play as a major ally in the 3rd game.

But I didn't know (or could validate the truth of their loyalty, even if i did) that there was a certain faction of Geth on my side...because I didn't awaken Legion. Ignorance may not prove to be bliss in ME3 when it comes to this Legion situation, but my mission in ME2 went fluidly without him.

Explain to me, what made you think that Bioware would make a Squad member, just so it can sabatage you game?

Even before the game was released I knew legion was a squad member, it wasn't really kept secret

You're metagaming, that isn't what people should do nor is it as fun.

[Lmaoboat]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

I have no idea why you go on about this risk you speak of.


Legion already states that the geth are sided with Shepard and any organics fighting against the reapers.
He also stated that the geth do not want to destroy organics and that was just a tiny break off from the main group.


I can bet you anything the the Geth will play as a major ally in the 3rd game.

But I didn't know (or could validate the truth of their loyalty, even if i did) that there was a certain faction of Geth on my side...because I didn't awaken Legion. Ignorance may not prove to be bliss in ME3 when it comes to this Legion situation, but my mission in ME2 went fluidly without him.

Explain to me, what made you think that Bioware would make a Squad member, just so it can sabatage you game?

Even before the game was released I knew legion was a squad member, it wasn't really kept secret

You're metagaming, that isn't what people should do nor is it as fun.

I find the prospect of forcing myself to pretend I don't know something for RP puposes a lot worse than metagaming.

[Acero Azul]

Personally dealing with cerberus in ME1, there was no way i was giving them the base or legion. I also wanted a geth friend so he filled that void.

[FlashedMyDrive]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

I have no idea why you go on about this risk you speak of.


Legion already states that the geth are sided with Shepard and any organics fighting against the reapers.
He also stated that the geth do not want to destroy organics and that was just a tiny break off from the main group.


I can bet you anything the the Geth will play as a major ally in the 3rd game.

But I didn't know (or could validate the truth of their loyalty, even if i did) that there was a certain faction of Geth on my side...because I didn't awaken Legion. Ignorance may not prove to be bliss in ME3 when it comes to this Legion situation, but my mission in ME2 went fluidly without him.

Explain to me, what made you think that Bioware would make a Squad member, just so it can sabatage you game?

Even before the game was released I knew legion was a squad member, it wasn't really kept secret

You're metagaming, that isn't what people should do nor is it as fun.

I'm sorry that I don't make illogical assumptions about a game character.


I guess I shouldn't have released Grunt either, because he was deemed dangerous too. He could have hijacked the Normandy and drove it to the collector base to sell me for credits. He'd then use the credits to hack me game to make me loose all my achievements.


I'm sorry but taking Roleplaying the the level at which it causes you to assume irrational things is just not my style.

[SCWhiteclaw]

50k creds bounty for an intact geth pfff... TIM i will for shure come along and have a look at the books oh yes

Modifié par SCWhiteclaw, 16 février 2010 - 05:28 .

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Lmaoboat wrote...
I find the prospect of forcing myself to pretend I don't know something for RP puposes a lot worse than metagaming.

Not a fan of "Choose your own adventure" books I take it?

Knowing what happens and just doing something to get a certain result is boring to me, also defeats the purpose of the whole paragade system if you're doing something to get points or a certain result and not thinking "What are the pros or cons to this?".

[GnB Epro]

thurmanator692 wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...
I felt like he would betray me in the long run. 

But you kept a psychopathic biotic, a justicar, an assassin on your team?

ok

No the psychopath I intentionaly killed.

So you killed the psychopath when she hasn't even tried to betray you?

If I could have gotten rid of her sooner I would. Justicar and Assassin, yes I kept them because they were never my enemy...like the geth were.

So you kill former enemies? Okay that's cool.. so um I guess you killed Jacob and Miranda too? :x

Not former enemies necissarily. You can't say you didn't serve cerberus at all in ME2 because there was not a choice. Therefore, Shepard was scripted to side with them to some extant.

I spent all of ME1 killing geth...and I'm expected to suddenly trust one?!?!? They killed Tali's father!! They are wageing war on the Quarians! All Cerberus is doing is bettering human-kind. Why is that so hard to trust?

1. they killed a HUMAN alliance admiral
2. they were behind the threasher maw attack on akuze that "sole survivor" shep and corpral toombs were victems of
3. they were behind the release of the mad rachni and thorian creepers in the galaxy that killed a bunch of humans
4. (ascension spoiler) they poisoned a little human biotic girl to increase her power, and when she finally got away, they nearly blew up the migrant fleet's Idenna
thats four very good reasons not to trust them

I've read the books. They will go to any lengths to portect humanity, no matter how immoral. My Shepard chooses to align himself with the advancement and portection of humans at any cost. Activating the geth in my ship did not seem like a protective action. Cerberus labs can deal with it better elsewhere.

[FlashedMyDrive]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

I have no idea why you go on about this risk you speak of.


Legion already states that the geth are sided with Shepard and any organics fighting against the reapers.
He also stated that the geth do not want to destroy organics and that was just a tiny break off from the main group.


I can bet you anything the the Geth will play as a major ally in the 3rd game.

But I didn't know (or could validate the truth of their loyalty, even if i did) that there was a certain faction of Geth on my side...because I didn't awaken Legion. Ignorance may not prove to be bliss in ME3 when it comes to this Legion situation, but my mission in ME2 went fluidly without him.

Explain to me, what made you think that Bioware would make a Squad member, just so it can sabatage you game?

Even before the game was released I knew legion was a squad member, it wasn't really kept secret

You're metagaming, that isn't what people should do nor is it as fun.

I'm sorry that I don't make illogical assumptions about a game character.


I guess I shouldn't have released Grunt either, because he was deemed dangerous too. He could have hijacked the Normandy and drove it to the collector base to sell me for credits. He'd then use the credits to hack my game to make me loose all my achievements.


I'm sorry but taking Roleplaying at the level at which it causes you to assume irrational things is just not my style.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...
I'm sorry that I don't make illogical assumptions about a game character.

Now now, no need to get so hostile and indirectly insult the OP.

I guess I shouldn't have released Grunt either, because he was deemed dangerous too. He could have hijacked the Normandy and drove it to the collector base to sell me for credits. He'd then use the credits to hack me game to make me loose all my achievements.

*sighs*

[GnB Epro]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

I have no idea why you go on about this risk you speak of.


Legion already states that the geth are sided with Shepard and any organics fighting against the reapers.
He also stated that the geth do not want to destroy organics and that was just a tiny break off from the main group.


I can bet you anything the the Geth will play as a major ally in the 3rd game.

But I didn't know (or could validate the truth of their loyalty, even if i did) that there was a certain faction of Geth on my side...because I didn't awaken Legion. Ignorance may not prove to be bliss in ME3 when it comes to this Legion situation, but my mission in ME2 went fluidly without him.

Explain to me, what made you think that Bioware would make a Squad member, just so it can sabatage you game?

Even before the game was released I knew legion was a squad member, it wasn't really kept secret

You're metagaming, that isn't what people should do nor is it as fun.

I'm sorry that I don't make illogical assumptions about a game character.


I guess I shouldn't have released Grunt either, because he was deemed dangerous too. He could have hijacked the Normandy and drove it to the collector base to sell me for credits. He'd then use the credits to hack me game to make me loose all my achievements.


I'm sorry but taking Roleplaying the the level at which it causes you to assume irrational things is just not my style.

what you mentioned is not irrational. Some people might think different from you, and could have left Grunt in the tank. Krogan are unpredictable and he stood a chance at jepordizing the mission.

[GnB Epro]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Aviena wrote...

The "does this unit have a soul?" gets me every time. Every. Damn. Time.

I thought about leaving Grunt in his tank for a while, but as soon as I picked up Legion I made a BEELINE for the AI core - coming from that "RP perspective", how could you not be fascinated by the prospect of learning the Geth's motivations? Especially after Legion sniped those Husks for you.

True, that was interesting. And at least made me curious about activating him. Still, too much risk.

I have no idea why you go on about this risk you speak of.


Legion already states that the geth are sided with Shepard and any organics fighting against the reapers.
He also stated that the geth do not want to destroy organics and that was just a tiny break off from the main group.


I can bet you anything the the Geth will play as a major ally in the 3rd game.

But I didn't know (or could validate the truth of their loyalty, even if i did) that there was a certain faction of Geth on my side...because I didn't awaken Legion. Ignorance may not prove to be bliss in ME3 when it comes to this Legion situation, but my mission in ME2 went fluidly without him.

Explain to me, what made you think that Bioware would make a Squad member, just so it can sabatage you game?

Even before the game was released I knew legion was a squad member, it wasn't really kept secret

You're metagaming, that isn't what people should do nor is it as fun.

I'm sorry that I don't make illogical assumptions about a game character.


I guess I shouldn't have released Grunt either, because he was deemed dangerous too. He could have hijacked the Normandy and drove it to the collector base to sell me for credits. He'd then use the credits to hack me game to make me loose all my achievements.


I'm sorry but taking Roleplaying the the level at which it causes you to assume irrational things is just not my style.

what you mentioned is not irrational. Some people might think different from you, and could have left Grunt in the tank. Krogan are unpredictable and he stood a chance at jepordizing the mission.