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[Kerilus]

So basically OP trusts Cerberus so much is because they're powerful?

[Astranagant]

"Back" implies Cerberus had Legion to begin with.



And the idea of trusting TIM and Cerberus is just comical to me. Even if you fully support their obviously nefarious goals, it should be obvious that the moment Shepard's no longer useful they'll want him/her gone for good.



Besides, Cerberus is totally overrated. I still can't believe they took some generic enemy that nobody had ever heard of from a string of side quests from ME1 and retconned it into the big bad galactic boogeyman for no good reason.

[Schneidend]

My Shepard is a curious sort, and it can get the better of his logic. A talking geth and a "perfect" krogan intrigued him, so he decided to let them state their case. The risk was no greater than that of the suicide mission itself, anyway.

[Guaritor]

GnB Epro wrote...

Guaritor wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...
I felt like he would betray me in the long run. 

But you kept a psychopathic biotic, a justicar, an assassin on your team?

ok

No the psychopath I intentionaly killed. If I could have gotten rid of her sooner I would. Justicar and Assassin, yes I kept them because they were never my enemy...like the geth were.

Dunno if its been discussed yet... but would you kill every japanese, german, and italian person you saw just because they were your enemies once?

Going more into the ME universe, what about Turians? They killed tons of humans in the first contact war...

I thought someone would bring this up. To that I answer, no...no I would not. I have no compassion for the geth because they are non-sapient, and to me they seem relatively mindless (yes, I understand the hive mind). Humans, Turians, Quarians, etc are all sapiet and that gives me some relateable measure of intelligence, oversation, and emotion.

The first Geth who asked "Do I have a soul" should have been proof enough that the geth are living, sapient, reasonable beings.  

I could see quarantining him before activating him... but just executing him without question, especially after saving your life... rash decisions and prejudices like that lead to bad things.

Modifié par Guaritor, 16 février 2010 - 10:20 .

[IoCaster]

I sold him to Cerberus for the cash.



BTW... is there any way that Miranda will die? I can't seem to kill her off. Does anyone know?

[Pattom]

I sent Legion off to Cerberus, because I didn't realize he would be shipped out as soon as the conversation ended. I thought it was possible to choose that option, and still get an opportunity to talk to him. With an extra 50,000 credits in my pocket, though, I wasn't too broken up over it.

[cyy85]

GnB Epro wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...
I felt like he would betray me in the long run. 

But you kept a psychopathic biotic, a justicar, an assassin on your team?

ok

No the psychopath I intentionaly killed. If I could have gotten rid of her sooner I would. Justicar and Assassin, yes I kept them because they were never my enemy...like the geth were.

We have not met.

[Mikka-chan]

I can see not wanting Legion around on the ship. He wasn't dangerous, but he could be: it would actually be a fairly reasonable decision to keep him out. (Honestly, when I got Legion, I ran down to Tali- I was hoping I could go 'Hey, I found a Geth, come with me while I wake him so that we can disable it quick after we get the info we need!' (of course, after talking to Legion, I would not disable it, but eh).) Sending him off to Cerebus is just horrible, though. I can't even believe them as human biased: if they were human biased, they wouldn't have chosen a human squad to perform those thresher maw experiments on, yes? Cerebus does what TIM wants, and TIM is a jackass. The idea of taking Cerebus over from the inside on some of my Renegade shep's is quite a sweet one, though, although not even my renegade soul survivors would do that- that was *their* squad Cerebus killed and tortured.

Personally, though, I find Grunt more of an issue to wake then Legion. With Legion, you have Tali on board (as well as Mordian, Garrus, and Jacob). EDI's upgraded to her full output. You are a badass motha who just took out how many collectors? Yeah, that many. You apparently can keep him sort of barricaded while you watch him warily. On the other hand, with Grunt- you let him out, and seconds later he has his arm on your throat. Sure, Shep gets a pistol against his chest, but- that was close. And a rogue Krogan running around your ship would be a lot harder to deal with then a rogue geth, I think.

[DarthCaine]

You missed out on parts of the game (and made it shorter), awesome

[Inverness Moon]

GnB Epro wrote...

As a person, a human being, a role player, an ignorant naive child, WHATEVER you have decided I am, I stand by my claims.


YES, I knew before playing the game that Legion was a squadmate and I knew I COULD take him IF I thought it was a good idea. I had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how Legion would behave in the collector base, if he would help or hamper my mission in anyway. This is NOT an ignorant assumption, as up until getting Legion, we have been told that the Geth are humanities' enemy. I chose not to trust him. That's it.

I understand that Bioware wouldn't create a character to give me perpetual game overs, but Legion's presence stood a chance at perhaps endangering another squad member or the mission itself. Turns out it doesn't. So you can call me wrong...or too immersive...or whatever you like, but the fact of the matter is I made a decision that seemed logical at the time. In retrospect, I still stand by my decision because what Legion will do in ME3 is unknown. He could act as a homing beacon for the reapers or something. I don't know. Until then, you can be right.

Watching you stick your head in the sand is amusing. First your assertion that the geth aren't sapient is flat out wrong; BioWare disagrees with you. Secondly, you're throwing all the geth in one bucket, when they clearly don't all think alike or have the same goals. Thirdly, there are a bunch of squad members on that ship that could endanger others or the mission itself. And finally, the idea that Legion would act as a homing beacon for the reapers is just plain ridiculous. You're grasping at straws.

I think what this all boils down to is that you're simply racist against synthetics. That is why you condemn the entire geth for the actions a minority, and that is why you wouldn't give Legion the chance to prove himself. Your actions are not as logical as you claim.

[GnB Epro]

Kerilus wrote...

So basically OP trusts Cerberus so much is because they're powerful?

Well they did revive me from the dead...I guess that's enough for me to trust them. Something small like that usually warrants trust.

[GnB Epro]

Inverness Moon wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

As a person, a human being, a role player, an ignorant naive child, WHATEVER you have decided I am, I stand by my claims.


YES, I knew before playing the game that Legion was a squadmate and I knew I COULD take him IF I thought it was a good idea. I had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how Legion would behave in the collector base, if he would help or hamper my mission in anyway. This is NOT an ignorant assumption, as up until getting Legion, we have been told that the Geth are humanities' enemy. I chose not to trust him. That's it.

I understand that Bioware wouldn't create a character to give me perpetual game overs, but Legion's presence stood a chance at perhaps endangering another squad member or the mission itself. Turns out it doesn't. So you can call me wrong...or too immersive...or whatever you like, but the fact of the matter is I made a decision that seemed logical at the time. In retrospect, I still stand by my decision because what Legion will do in ME3 is unknown. He could act as a homing beacon for the reapers or something. I don't know. Until then, you can be right.

Watching you stick your head in the sand is amusing. First your assertion that the geth aren't sapient is flat out wrong; BioWare disagrees with you. Secondly, you're throwing all the geth in one bucket, when they clearly don't all think alike or have the same goals. Thirdly, there are a bunch of squad members on that ship that could endanger others or the mission itself. And finally, the idea that Legion would act as a homing beacon for the reapers is just plain ridiculous. You're grasping at straws.

I think what this all boils down to is that you're simply racist against synthetics. That is why you condemn the entire geth for the actions a minority, and that is why you wouldn't give Legion the chance to prove himself. Your actions are not as logical as you claim.

I won't fight this anymore. There are others in this thread who acted just as I did, and in a video game, who can really decide that either of our arguments is right. I could be wrong, but I have yet to be proven wrong, and won;t be proven wrong until ME3.

[Basher of Glory]

GnB Epro wrote...

I won't fight this anymore. There are others in this thread who acted just as I did, and in a video game, who can really decide that either of our arguments is right. I could be wrong, but I have yet to be proven wrong, and won;t be proven wrong until ME3.

How exactly would you define "sapient"?

[LOLandStuff]

@GnB Epro

Yeah, Cerberus revived Shepard from the dead because they were bored and had nothing better to do.

Cerberus killed your entire unit if you choose to be "Sole Survivor", they were running sick experiments, hate anything that isn't human and want to rule over everyone. Also, they revived Shepard to use him/her then ditch him/her once they're done got what they wanted.

That screams "TRUST ME!"

[Onyx Jaguar]

IoCaster wrote...

I sold him to Cerberus for the cash.

BTW... is there any way that Miranda will die? I can't seem to kill her off. Does anyone know?

Yes, take her to the final fight when she is not completely Loyal. 

Crushing defeat!

[Weiser_Cain]

I'd have given him to the Quarians if I could.

[Garlador]

I was being Renegade and sold him back... but I didn't realize he wouldn't be recruitable. Blast.

[Bigdoser]

Does anyone in this thread wonder if the OP is just trolling us?

[Weiser_Cain]

No.

[Zulu_DFA]

GnB Epro wrote...

I feel like everyone took Legion as a squadmate, while I gave him to cerberus and left without him.

I felt like he would betray me in the long run. Yes, I understand the different factions of Geth and that he was the true Geth, but I still don't trust it.

And before anyone points it out, YES I trust Cerberus and YES I gave them the collector base. I want the Illusive Man on my side and I would rather Cerberus experiment on Legion and the base to help me out later.

Why would you think TIM needed an intact geth? To interrogate it! I bet if you sent Legion to Cerberus, the result wouls be pretty much the same. Geth will be allies in the war against the Reapers. You just gave in to the function of your hardware.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 février 2010 - 07:55 .

[DarkNova50]

Astranagant wrote...


Besides, Cerberus is totally overrated. I still can't believe they took some generic enemy that nobody had ever heard of from a string of side quests from ME1 and retconned it into the big bad galactic boogeyman for no good reason.

This.

[-M-E-T-A-]

Kerilus wrote...

@-M-E-T-A-: You either love Legion very much, or you hate Cerberus/TIM very much.

Well, 'love' and 'hate' are strong words, and they don't really apply here.  It's more like this: Cerberus and TIM already showed how little they can be trusted.  Legion, on the other hand, was an unknown (at the time), and could have wound up being a threat or an asset. 

Legion also represents the possibility of (eventually) peacefully resolving the conflict between the Quarians and the Geth. 

Of course, it MAY turn out (in ME3) that doing everything Cerberus/TIM wants is the best shot at beating back the reapers, and that helping Legion is a big mistake that will make the Geth a much greater threat--not just to the Quarians and Humans, but to all organic life.  This is something that cannot be ruled out. 

I think the Paragon way is to give people/beings/organizations a chance, and pay attention to what they do with it.  TIM has shown himself to be a little too underhanded for my taste, so I wouldn't give him anything I didn't have to--at least not when I'm taking the immersive approach and handling scenarios the way I think they ought to be handled. 

Then again, I'm going to save at least one game where I hand the collector base over to TIM, just to see how that plays out in ME3.  (Hmm, can you say, "Cerberus Reapers"?)  Mark my words, if TIM develops reapers, you'll have to take them on sooner or later.  (A great birthday present for Grunt!)

[NICKjnp]

GnB Epro wrote...

I feel like everyone took Legion as a squadmate, while I gave him to cerberus and left without him.

I felt like he would betray me in the long run. Yes, I understand the different factions of Geth and that he was the true Geth, but I still don't trust it.

And before anyone points it out, YES I trust Cerberus and YES I gave them the collector base. I want the Illusive Man on my side and I would rather Cerberus experiment on Legion and the base to help me out later.

To quote the Turian at CSec Customs... "You humans are all racist!"

[tropicalwave]

I don't trust Cerberus. This comes from the missions I did in ME1. There were a good amount of side mission that had them reoccurring (the only thing that really did that didn't come up directly in the main mission.) Also have you listend to the news while running around the planets, there are a few stories talking about the things that Cerberus is accused of having doine, including killing an Alliance officer (remember him from the Tower?)



I do not trust them. I will never trust them, but I will take Normandy, my life and all the money I can. I will be very happy if I have stolen Miranda from him and all the crew is loyal to me and not him. I want to ****** TIM off just as much as I ****** off the grey haired old man that thinks he also knows what is best for human kind but has his head up the councils butt.

[Zulu_DFA]

DarkNova50 wrote...

Astranagant wrote...


Besides, Cerberus is totally overrated. I still can't believe they took some generic enemy that nobody had ever heard of from a string of side quests from ME1 and retconned it into the big bad galactic boogeyman for no good reason.

This.

Isn't Cerberus supposed to be a shadow conspiratory organisation? Aren't such organisations supposed to be hard to expose? Aren't they supposed to cut lose ends in case some stupid spectre happens to take out ONE of its cells? People, you are ridiculous. Have you read Acsention, BTW?