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[CajunRexShepard]

Another thing occured to me while reading about someone who mentioned Star Trek... Though it has little to do with the borg... What if the reapers are the result of a huge misunderstanding? Like V-Ger in the Star Trek movie? Created by one race, found eons later by another, intentions and prime directive BADLY misunderstood, repaired, upgraded, and sent back out? It's probably a longshot for their origins, but for all their superiority, they do seem quite *locked* into repeating the cycle of extinction with little room for dischord.

[Lmaoboat]

The reapers are so alien and unknowable that morals don't really apply. They're about as evil as a tornado or an earthquake.

[Matthias Umbra]

Very interesting topic. I have to give my thanks to BioWare's writers also for providing us with such an interesting antagonist, but also for such an interesting setting in general (which they've also managed to do with Dragon Age, in my opinion).

Anyway, to the topic at hand, I just had a few comments to add. First of all, I was thinking about the genetic diversity of humanity that's explicitly mentioned during the course of ME2. During Mordin's recruitment quest, it is stated that humans aren't affected by the plague because they have a lot of genetic diversity, so they would make a better control than experimental group. Was this the Reapers' way of finding a species capable of forming one of their own? I think it's EDI that mentions that they were working on a possible Prothean Reaper and they had to scrap their plans, then re-purpose what was left of the Protheans into the Collectors. I'm assuming this means that they weren't genetically diverse enough to form a Reaper somehow? I'm wondering if the Reapers were originally some sort of experiment by another organic race long ago, rather than just merely built, and they evolved into the form they are at present.

Also, the Cerberus news stories on the raloi got me thinking: since the Reapers' signal to the Citadel was interrupted by the actions of the Protheans from Ilos, is the current organic cycle more advanced than the norm for the Reapers' return? I mean, it seems that the galactic society is way more diverse than at least when the Protheans were the dominant (and only) space-faring species. I can't remember what planet it was on in ME1, but there is evidence that the Protheans studied humanity in its early stages, as well as having a base on Mars. I'm not sure if cro-magnons were considered sapient by Reaper standards, but it's safe to assume that all the races that are space-faring during this current cycle had some sort of beginnings before the Protheans were wiped out. It just made me think about how different things would've been for the raloi when they achieved space-faring status if they were the only space-faring species. Or, maybe they would've been too far advanced already and considered sapient by the Reapers, and therefore would've been culled as well. Just made me wonder if that's part of what BioWare has been hinting at, that the Reapers give the universe some sort of order and that maybe the universe is becoming overpopulated? I mean, you already have some situations in which species are vying for limited resources (humans vs batarians in the Skyllian Verge, for instance). Anyway, sorry about the wall 'o text, thoughts?

Modifié par Matthias Umbra, 17 février 2010 - 03:04 .

[Ajspeed]

well when you think about it they do take i guess the most worthy species from the galaxy to add to their numbers so maybe they want to be part of all the greatness rising up in the galaxy each time or there just crazy machines

[Kerilus]

When someone want to wipe your own race out, you don't worry if they're evil or not.

[Methany]

Morals can be applied to reapers, as with anyone else. It's a means to judging actions. The fact that the reapers might think differently or know things we don't is completely irrelevant to determine the moral value of their actions. Should we abstain to judge an assassin just because he probably has a different mindset, in wich his actions are justified?
Also, you take a very light perspective on "ascencion". They're just interested in your biomass and genetic code, wich they use to construct their vessels. DNA doesn't hold memories, experiences, or a sentient mind. When you're reduced to that goo, you're effectively killed. An organic does not "ascend" to reaperdom any more than a tree would "ascend" to being the wall of a house.

[molozon]

I guess after seeing the endings of Mass Effect 3 , we can say that the Reapers aren't evil... I actually took pity on them for some unknown reason - after I planned to kill them the whole game.But somehow I couldn't bring myself to after *SPOILERS* finding out that they only do it to protect organic life , so instead I took control of them.

[Alithinos]

I think of how from that:

we ended with the starchild.
lame.

[scq]

Reapers don't need to reproduce. As eternal beings, they could just find a nice star somewhere and chill out until the heat death of the universe, but they have taken it upon themselves to "save" organics by harvesting them and synergizing them with machines (I suppose in the end game, the synergy solution which Shepard can choose is really what the Reapers are trying to do all along anyways). There's no imperative for sentient beings to reproduce or even necessarily to self-preserve. Maybe the Reapers are just afraid of getting wiped out by organics so they see their culling as a preemtive strike.

[DeathScepter]

they are the Daleks of Mass Effect universe.

[Faridle]

would an electromagnetic pulse stop an Reaper?

[DeathScepter]

A wizard did it.