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[InvaderErl]

I managed to get my bars both pretty full by the end. Paragon was in the last box and Renegade was a bit less than half of the box before the last one.



I just played my Shep as a Paragon with a Renegade way of dealing with things. I always choose to save people but I'm typically fairly rough on my enemies, not above threatening people and so forth. It was very easy to avoid the really "EVIL" options.

[kormesios]

Mostly paragon, but I love some of the renegade options. One of my favorites was the Krogan giving a huge speech on a gas pipe. I got the renegade action symbol, and hesitated on clicking--would there be a peaceful option? But the symbol stayed, and the krogan kept talking, and talking, and talking . . . when he was fantasizing about enslaving Asari I finally blew him up.



But straight renegade? No, way too inconsistent if you're roleplaying. I don't think I could do straight paragon, either, but pure renegade is much worse. It is unfortunate that the game mechanic rewards the unthinking "click down" or "click up" options.

[mjkjets]

The only thing that bothered me was importing a ME1 renegade save after beating the game with a paragon one. The universe seemed empty. There was no Shiala, Fist, Helena Blake, Parsani, etc. I was hoping for "renegade only" missions to show up( like in ME1), but there wasn't any.

Modifié par mjkjets, 16 février 2010 - 05:31 .

[RighteousRage]

Haha, Bioware is always terrible at writing evil protagonists. There's hardly even a reason to be renegade beyond punching people in the face. The paragon guy is like 100 times more reasonable.

There are some rare rare times on insanity when it becomes justified, such as backstabbing Cathka (you don't get paragon points for not doing it anyway) and blowing up the Blood Pack lieutenant that's blabbing on about getting back at the Council races, since fights can actually occasionally be dangerous on that difficulty.

Modifié par RighteousRage, 16 février 2010 - 05:27 .

[KainrycKarr]

I've found if you just pick the dialogue option that you yourself would most likely make in that situation, it tends to make perfectly coherent sense. That being, not always paragon, not always renegade.



Of course, in the vanilla game this will likely result in not having enough points of either to make a big paragon or renegade option available, but I'm a cheater and have full paragon and renegade points anyway.



Sometimes i push a guy out the window and yell like a madman on trial, sometimes i give a mourning mother a hug and stop a teammate from making a bad decision.



But, I always, ALWAYS, nail Conrad in the baby-makers.



Wouldn't play ME2 any other way.

[English Cooper]

I kinda had the same problem in one and two, I could always threaten and kill with no real problem.. but i couldn't bring myself to be a jerk to my team mates or crew.. feels wrong even for a complete Jerk.. I mean even a real Jerk knows that these people watch his back right?

[RPGmom28]

I can't be evil. It just feels like taking a bath in crud. Even being nasty to virtual people makes me feel guilty.

[RighteousRage]

I repeatedly wiped out entire towns just so I could improve my income in Fable and killed social workers and stuff in the Sims, yet I can hardly make it through renegade playthroughs of ME 1/2

[IndomitusRex]

I've ended up with a full renegade bar (and a half to three quarters full paragon bar), and don't feel like my Shepard compromised his morals any. I'm harsh to those that deserve it, and kind to those that don't. I use intimidation and brutality to do good because, like Grunt says, "I won't disrespect my enemies' strength by doing less than the worst to them." That's the kind of thinking that will save the galaxy.

[HeavyTankZA]

i'm mostly paragon but having a Earthborn background, i tend to use quite a few of the renegade interrupts in the conversations.

one of my favorites where you recruit Archangel

"you're working to hard" *electorcutes*

Modifié par HeavyTankZA, 16 février 2010 - 05:45 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Why not just be Paragon to people you like (Tali, for example), and Renegade to everyone else, especially criminals or ****s?

[GarethLorn]

RPGmom28 wrote...

I can't be evil. It just feels like taking a bath in crud. Even being nasty to virtual people makes me feel guilty.

And this is the reason that I have never beaten either game with a Renegade. I tried to, once, but ended up Paragon again less than halfway through.

[OfTheFaintSmile]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Why not just be Paragon to people you like (Tali, for example), and Renegade to everyone else, especially criminals or ****s?

This is what I do. Pragmatism for the win...and I still end up with a full renegade bar at the end

Basically, show compassion for friends but be merciless to enemies...

Modifié par OfTheFaintSmile, 16 février 2010 - 05:49 .

[raunchyballs]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Playing as a Renegade feels like you're playing ASS Effect.

 Nice.

It does sort of hurt my heart to ask Jacob about his feelings and then tell him to StiFuu and focus on the mission...and then next time tell him to stop shutting up and let it out so he can focus on the mission...But at the same time it's great to reflect on that hipocrisy and laugh at what a ridiculous **** I've created. 

One thing I've noticed is that a lot of the paragon/renegade options end up having very similar dialogue.  Like when getting a discount at a store (Citadel? Ilium?), in both cases I'll tell them that I'm fighting a lot, a big spender, and don't want to go out trying to save the universe in second-rate equipment.  In either case, I seem convincing rather than mean/nice.  In any case, hooray for alignment points!

[Daewan]

Do it for the lulz!

[Massadonious1]

Not being a d-bag to your teammates works, but there are other decisions (such as gut punching the scared Salarian, stockboy, and the female reporter, even though she deserves it, as well as ratting out Mouse) that I just can't do.



I don't think I could tell Mordin that the Genophage was right either.

[Bootsykk]

Go to youtube and watch

Commander Shepard is such a Jerk
and
Commander Shepard is still a Jerk

and you'll know why.

[Gill Kaiser]

raunchyballs wrote...

One thing I've noticed is that a lot of the paragon/renegade options end up having very similar dialogue.  Like when getting a discount at a store (Citadel? Ilium?), in both cases I'll tell them that I'm fighting a lot, a big spender, and don't want to go out trying to save the universe in second-rate equipment.  In either case, I seem convincing rather than mean/nice.  In any case, hooray for alignment points!

I liked that. Using Renegade persuade shouldn't always involve you being a douchebag, sometimes it should just involve being a badass, exploiting your position, or lying. Shepard saying to Marab that he's got outdated star chart data is Renegade because it's a lie, but it hurts nobody and it doesn't involve yelling at the friendliest shopkeeper on the Citadel.

[xDelta]

I tried to be as much Paragon as possible, but I still somehow managed to fill the first box for Renegade...



Some parts, I couldn't resist. Like the part where you interogate that guy in C-Sec to help find Thane's son. I saved it before I actually did it, and the Renegade interogation consisted of punching the guy in the face twice and threatening to "cut off [his] balls and sell them to a Krogan."

[Nastrod]

I tried twice to do full renegade and I can not do it. I just can not be a constant a-hole to my crew. It does not even make sense the whole game is based off of loyalty but to be paragon you have to treat your crew like crap. If there was more outside options then fine but the entire game is based on your crew from either getting them or their loyalty missions.

[Gill Kaiser]

Paragade is still the best. Throughout ME2 i consistantly had twice as much Paragon as Renegade, and sure enough I ended up with 100% Paragon and 50% Renegade.

[implodinggoat]

Renegade Shepard was definitely more relatable in ME1 than in ME2.  In ME1 Renegade Shepard was a pissed off ruthless hardass; but he wasn't the straight up jackass that Renegade Shepard frequently is in ME2.  Renegade is more overtly beligerant than it was in ME1, so I suggest that if you're talking to a character that you like you should steer away from Renegade choices.

[Lmaoboat]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Why not just be Paragon to people you like (Tali, for example), and Renegade to everyone else, especially criminals or ****s?

Because I'm not even that mean. I'm pretty much space Jesus.

[Gill Kaiser]

implodinggoat wrote...

Renegade Shepard was definitely more relatable in ME1 than in ME2.  In ME1 Renegade Shepard was a pissed off ruthless hardass; but he wasn't the straight up jackass that Renegade Shepard frequently is in ME2.  Renegade is more overtly beligerant than it was in ME1, so I suggest that if you're talking to a character that you like you should steer away from Renegade choices.

Interesting... I feel the exact opposite. I think Renegade in ME1 was far more belligerant for no reason. Many of the Renegade persuades in ME2 are much more realistic and reasonable.