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[Invalidcode]

You can make a lot of renegade of choice without being a jackass to everyone.
Also you can make a lot of paragon choice without being with a freaking politician.

But yes full P or R is pretty 'stupid'. The moral system in ME isn't that great, the persuade system in ME2 is flawed.

Modifié par Invalidcode, 16 février 2010 - 05:42 .

[Hepzi3]

Renegade is a ton of fun when you are doing things that you can justify (such as killing a Mercenary who may or may not have killed 20 people)



But when you are doing things that are simply to harm or hurt people, It is not fun, Nor is it easy.

I could not do all the Renegade choices on Horizon with Ashley Williams.



Sure, I had no problem calling her out for moaning about Cerberus when they just saved half the colony, But she was my ME1 LI, And one of my favorite characters overall. Couldnt tell her she was too emotional, Because I couldnt blame her.

[spm1138]

I like being a jerk.

[Aradace]

spm1138 wrote...

I like being a jerk.

As do I...When Im in a situation where I need to be "nice" my wife takes over and visa versa

[Rm80]

Well im just starting my first ME2 renagade run, I had serious issues choosing the renegade option in some dialoges in ME1, so I guess that my renegade run will be more of an mixture of renagede and paragon (probably around 70% renegade against 30%paragon)



I just can't make serious evil actions against teammates and innocents

[danman2424]

TheLostGenius wrote...

 Renegade is fun, Paragon is canonical.

That's what I thought, but apparently default canon Shep is a renegade that killed the council, Rachni, and Wrex.

[Madame November]

danman2424 wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

 Renegade is fun, Paragon is canonical.

That's what I thought, but apparently default canon Shep is a renegade that killed the council, Rachni, and Wrex.

I was pretty shocked by this myself. Couldn't I have made ANY decent choices in my past. Jeez, that's what I get for making a non-import character.

[Paperghost]

November Cousland wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

 Renegade is fun, Paragon is canonical.

That's what I thought, but apparently default canon Shep is a renegade that killed the council, Rachni, and Wrex.

I was pretty shocked by this myself. Couldn't I have made ANY decent choices in my past. Jeez, that's what I get for making a non-import character.

personally i think this isn't so much a "canon" thing as it is a semi punishment for not having played through number 1 from start to finish - given the hints dropped in both 1 & 2, it seems apparent that whatever they do in 3 you'd benefit more from having wrex around than not having him, having the rachni around than having killed them, putting up with the council being repeatedly stupid towards the humans because in the long run they'll pull something useful out of the fire at the last minute etc. but of course you'll only have those options available to you IF you put the effort in to save wrex, went against your gut instinct and saved the council and so on.

i'd be willing to bet that if you don't have an imported character for 3 they'll make the "canon" (ie non import) decisions be ones that cost you valuable allies or screwed up horribly in your genophage choice, or kept / destroyed the base etc making the end battle so much more difficult.

maybe

[HAGA NAGA]

poo poo heads & doo doo noses!

[danman2424]

Paperghost wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

 Renegade is fun, Paragon is canonical.

That's what I thought, but apparently default canon Shep is a renegade that killed the council, Rachni, and Wrex.

I was pretty shocked by this myself. Couldn't I have made ANY decent choices in my past. Jeez, that's what I get for making a non-import character.

personally i think this isn't so much a "canon" thing as it is a semi punishment for not having played through number 1 from start to finish - given the hints dropped in both 1 & 2, it seems apparent that whatever they do in 3 you'd benefit more from having wrex around than not having him, having the rachni around than having killed them, putting up with the council being repeatedly stupid towards the humans because in the long run they'll pull something useful out of the fire at the last minute etc. but of course you'll only have those options available to you IF you put the effort in to save wrex, went against your gut instinct and saved the council and so on.

i'd be willing to bet that if you don't have an imported character for 3 they'll make the "canon" (ie non import) decisions be ones that cost you valuable allies or screwed up horribly in your genophage choice, or kept / destroyed the base etc making the end battle so much more difficult.

maybe

My guess is that they had default Shep kill everyone so that new players just coming in won't feel like they're completely missing out when all of these characters they never met return and remind them of deeds they never did.

[Catfish42]

It's easier if you roleplay a bit; use your character's background (if you imported from me1). Mine started off as a colonist whose colony got hit by batarian slavers; became a ruthless soldier after that.



If the choice comes up to save a small town/colony, I'll do it. Also have a soft spot for quarians, so i help out the ones i see. Besides that, I go all renegade and it seems right to me (fits in with the theme of loving revenge/being ruthless). Finished with renegade filled and 2.5 bars of paragon filled, my sheperd seemed to stay pretty well in character. Just don't go exclusively paragon or renegade and it'll be fine.

[Catfish42]

danman2424 wrote...

That's what I thought, but apparently default canon Shep is a renegade that killed the council, Rachni, and Wrex.

Sorry just read this. Canon shep killed wrex and rachni? Lame. I kept both because I figured i could use some allies when the crap hits the fan. Guess i'll find out in a ME3 cutscene.

Council annoyed me in the first game and I wanted humanity on top, so i let the geth waste the council though. No tears shed over that choice.

[Missouri Tigers]

I have mostly renegade, but I'm not a renegade character.  I'm usually picking the neutral or nice option in conversation (whichever conveys what I want to say the best) but everything has worked in a way that I've felt the renegade option was best for humanity and the galaxy as a whole.

[Doright36]

TheLostGenius wrote...

 Renegade is fun, Paragon is canonical.

I disagree somewhat. Generally speaking I agree but to me a "Canonical" Shep would be middle of the road like many have stated they play. Not 100% Paragon anyway.  

I see the "real" shepard as someone who is a good guy so they will do the right thing but they are also not afraid of tossing a murdering merc out out a window or punching out a loud mouth to get the job done.

I tend to just go with the choices that feel right and I usually end up about 70/30 or 80/20 paragon to Renegade  myself but I think realistically Shepard would most likey be someone who is 70/30 or even 60/40.. Worst case 50/50 but never more Renegade than that.

Seriously if you were more Renegade than 50/50 it becomes less and less believable that you'd have a multi species crew so willing to follow you or that you'd be given Specter status to begin with.

[Weskerr]

I just finished a complete renegade playthrough. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth like after eating salty potato chips.

[Sursion]

I'll cut your balls off and sell them to a KROGAN!!! *chokes him*

[chelseaisthepan]

I just chose the options that I felt was right (granted, most were paragon), but I did most of the renegade interrupts because they were badass. I didn't specifically choose a dialogue option because it was paragon/renegade.

[zchen]

cause renagade=childish a-hole instead of evil manipulative genius in the ME world....

[A Blind Bandit]

I can play renegade except when talking to my teammates. I just cannot be a jerk to them.

[R-F]

playing full renegade gets a tad old, but a lot of the split decisions are fun. like the incident where you push the eclipse merc through the window, or when you are helping Thane 'interrogate' the guy during his loyalty quest. or Miranda's loyalty quest, snapping the merc's neck and shooting the tanks above, man that is just utterly badass.



that being said i couldn't be mean to former squad mates, or people that deserve some sort of respect. like the kid on Omega for example.



also the whole 'sith-face' thing was annoying, almost made me want to use the dlc armor, until i got the new med bay.

[Tilarta]

I managed to keep my Paragon and Renegade roughly balanced (Renegade's slightly ahead).

I think it's around 3.5 boxes currently.



Basically, it's punching people, Renegade options when appropriate and using Jack as a Renegade-O-Matic. But hey, I'm going to kill Jack and replace her with Kasumi, so who cares who loyal she is?

[Zyrious]

Some people here have pointed out inconsistencies in playing a pure paragon or pure renegade character. I think it's safe to say that's intentional. It's because you are SUPPOSE to roleplay, not just pick all top or all bottom options.  Because of this, they offer different paths for both renegades or paragon's. For instance, you can be a racist renegade that supports cerberus, or you can be just as renegade but hate cerberus and turn on them every chance you get. Proper use of "Neutral" middle dialogue options and shouldering a few paragon points can create a very realistic character that holds YOUR values and not the values of the developers.

This was done on purpose, it's why from the very beginning they pushed the point that Paragon and Renegade are seperate bars, and getting paragon points does not lower your renegade bar and vice versa. You arent suppose to be full on one or the other, but you can lean heavily one way or the other without being an ass or a wuss.

On my first playthrough i always play naturally, i pick what i feel is a good response and proper action, and i almost always end up with a near full renegade bar. NEVER is my shep an ass or a racist, either. Even in ME 1, with proper utilization of neutral and some paragon options i had a full on renegade shep who still understood the value of working with other races, and chose to sacrifice the council not because he hated aliens, but because he needed the full alliance force to hit Sovereign, he didnt know what was going to go down and couldn't risk a weakened fleet that has no gaurentee of saving the council in the first place.

This game is NOT knights of the old republic. Renegade =/= evil, though you can play a jerk if you so desire. A renegade by and large is someone who gets the job done. Renegade's come in all shapes and sizes, racists, non racists, caring people, un-caring people, the only unifying factor for a renegade is this fundamental value - The ends justify the means. A renegade character can still be someone who cares for those he has gone through hell with and be someone who is polite and considerate to those close, but still do whatever necessary to accomplish the task. And at the end of the day, even on my renegade playthrough's, i still tell TIM to go to hell.

Modifié par Zyrious, 17 février 2010 - 07:46 .