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[CarlSpackler]

 
  Kind of funny really, since the FAQ was released there's been a collective "YELP" from the community.  As I posted elsewhere, I'm still hopeful for a great gaming experience, but with reservations.  There certainly seemed to be a lot of assumptions on the part of us fans as to what an expansion would entail with some of those expectations being crushed -namely the dead warden issue, no dlc, and no romances or any combination of those three.

  I'm kind of curious what the general reaction back at Bioware has been to the forum backlash of past few days, not that we're likely to get the personal reaction of each employee, but it would be interesting to know what a general interpretation of the community's complaints have been.

  I get that Bioware perhaps want to do some other things with this expansion.  The no romances seems to be the easiest thing to let slide -at least for me, others obviously disagree- from a design perspective.  Maybe they simply didn't feel like writing them for the exp, or have something entirely different in mind; we'll have to wait and see.  The no DLC loot carryover seems to be the most legit complaint given that an actual price-tag was attatched to much of it and DAO is required to play DAA.  The dead-warden issue just seems an all around silly design choice.  They obviously spent time incorporating non US character choices into the game world, it seems unlikely to me that incorporating US choices would have been any more difficult, perhaps even less so without having to worry about as much specific dialogue to an Orleasian GW.  (My own thoughts, I realize software development can often take nasty turns not immediateley visible, so if this is the case then I get it, believe me I do.)  But to just "hand-waive" the story element here really does -as someone else pointed out- seem very un-Bioware.

Anyways, again to the folks at Bioware, I loved DAO and am hopeful for a fun and immersive story-telling experience with Awakening, but as I posted in the FAQ thread my excitement has definatley been tempered.

[RurouniSaiya-jin]

There probably just in the final crunch time to wrap up Awakening in time to ship. I'm sure they'll be quite talkative again when Awakening is finished.

[Ponce de Leon]

We're one month from the release and no delays yet. Considering the game will also be boxed and shipped and everything, I'd say we won't get any delay at all. Which is good. As for BioWare's silence... I have no idea actually. Perhaps they are silent to see how people suffer down here...

[Curlain]

Well it has only be a few days, I also assume if they are paying attention to these forums much (which might not necessarily be the case, after all, forumites make up only a small section of DA players) they might be just waiting until the major outrage has turned into acceptance and then they will probably respond.

Modifié par Curlain, 16 février 2010 - 07:00 .

[Sabriana]

I checked around, and this silence is generally known as a practice that the money people behind BioWare practice on a regular basis. And then go ahead and wonder why sales are down.

Connections. The hardest thing to do in life...

[CarlSpackler]

Curlain wrote...

Well it has only be a few days, I also assume if they are paying attention to these forums much (which might not necessarily be the case, after all, forumites make up only a small section of DA players) they might be just waiting until the major outrage has turned into acceptance and then they will probably respond.

Yeah I had considered that as well.  Let the mob rage a little bit, then come in and discuss.  Probably a wise strategy regardless of how legit the complaints may or may not be.

[Hugmejohnny]

CarlSpackler wrote...

Curlain wrote...

Well it has only be a few days, I also assume if they are paying attention to these forums much (which might not necessarily be the case, after all, forumites make up only a small section of DA players) they might be just waiting until the major outrage has turned into acceptance and then they will probably respond.

Yeah I had considered that as well.  Let the mob rage a little bit, then come in and discuss.  Probably a wise strategy regardless of how legit the complaints may or may not be.

Very good call, makes sense to this guy!

[Harcken]

Probably because the game is already finished and locked down, and they really have nothing to say other than what's been stated; posting will simply rekindle the inferno. Somewhere in my mind, however, I hold a tiny hope that a Bioware dev will come on and be all like:"Don't worry, we fix all the tech issues, DLC, dead warden, yay!" Chances are probably slim to none though, but I can hope!

[Arbiter Libera]

CarlSpackler wrote...

Curlain wrote...

Well it has only be a few days, I also assume if they are paying attention to these forums much (which might not necessarily be the case, after all, forumites make up only a small section of DA players) they might be just waiting until the major outrage has turned into acceptance and then they will probably respond.

Yeah I had considered that as well.  Let the mob rage a little bit, then come in and discuss.  Probably a wise strategy regardless of how legit the complaints may or may not be.

That makes sense... if things aren't all that peachy and discussion (or justification, should I say) is needed. I don't see any reason for them to delay making some kind of statement (forum post, that is... you don't really needt he insane PR machine to solve this one) if it's just a matter of being misinformed or some other form of unintentional miscommunication with the community.

[Hulk Hsieh]

Well, they'll have to face a lot of unhappy customers after Awakening is released.

They must be working on something now.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I was actually wondering when they are going to talk about the new talents, specialisations and spells.

[Dethanos]

It's about time to reveal another character as well. All we've seen are two mages. Show me the meatshields.

[shedevil3001]

its about time we had a templar or a qunari or even an antivan crow, and for goodness sakes more human stories instead of just a noble grrrrrrrr

[Mass Fraud]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I was actually wondering when they are going to talk about the new talents, specialisations and spells.

They'll probably do that after most of the "hate" blows over, so they can save face with some great new talents, specialisations and spells. They have a lot of make up for i'm sure..........

[Metallicka]

They're probably afraid to show us anything else, after all their little FAQ turned some of their most adamant supporters against them. While I don't like the no romance and the dead warden issue, I would have still supported Bioware. No, I changed my tune when I found out I bought a bunch of in game gear with real money that magically disappears between Origins and Awakening. I'd like to think that there will ultimately be some sort of justice for this outrage, but with EA in charge, my hopes are most likely in vain.

[shedevil3001]

true and i've been an ea fan for years but really they have a habit of rushing everything not thinking things through and hitting you where it hurts, the outrage of it all

[Volourn]

"And then go ahead and wonder why sales are down."



That's funny, 'cause sales wise, DA and ME2 are BIO's must successful games. DA has shipped 3.2 copies in THREE MONTHS. ME2 has sold 2millio copies in TWO WEEKS.



BG series, NWN, KOTOR and ME1 have all sold 2.5-3mil copies and they've been out for eyars. JE sdold 1.5-2mil copies.



But, yeah, you are trying to spread baloney that 'sales are down'. Give me a break.



Also, I doubt the whining upsets BIO at all. They've been around a block for 10+ years. Internet geeks crying about soemthing they do ALWAYS happens no matter what. Yet, BIO games continue to sell. Nope, they ain't worried at all as 99.9% of the crybabies will be first in line to purchase the expansion. *shrug*

[shedevil3001]

thats a bit harsh everyone is entitled to an opinion it doesn't make them crybabies, but you have a point about them buying the game reguardless tho

[_Aine_]

I think the silence is more because people are either demanding changes or answers that either cannot be done because the game is essentially finished or they are asking for information that will simply create more questions or reveal too much about the expansion before marketing are prepared to release it. *shrugs* Probably a large percentage of those complaining will still buy the expansion, and a decent percentage of those that do, will probably end up liking it. I'm waiting to see how its done, just because i feel something will be missing in *theory* doesn't mean it will feel that way when the expansion is out, perhaps none of this will even feel relevant because there is enough to do in the expansion to keep us occupied. Of course, I don't know this, I'm just saying that sometimes complaining about what we don't know may not be relevant in the long haul...

[aries1001]

To me, yes, it seems a little odd that Bioware would make it so that the paid DLC can't be used in Awakenings e.g. the expansion for the game. There could be some explanations for this, I find. The most logical being that Awakenings and the DLC were made by totally different teams. And to use DLC items in Awakenings, one would also have to find a a way to include Shale (I think?) in Awakenings. It's a bit odd, though, I find, that the commander of the Grey Wardens won't be wearing Cailan's Armour (Return to Ostagar) or some of the other great gear from the DLC. Maybe it all got stolen?



As to the romances not being carried over in Awakenings, I'm neutral. The reason giving seems to be that since you're now you're a Grey Warden Commander, so you (maybe) can't have romances or attachments. And doesn't the story in Awakenings takes place 6-9 months after the original game has ended?

[Feraele]

CarlSpackler wrote...

 
  Kind of funny really, since the FAQ was released there's been a collective "YELP" from the community.  As I posted elsewhere, I'm still hopeful for a great gaming experience, but with reservations.  There certainly seemed to be a lot of assumptions on the part of us fans as to what an expansion would entail with some of those expectations being crushed -namely the dead warden issue, no dlc, and no romances or any combination of those three.

  I'm kind of curious what the general reaction back at Bioware has been to the forum backlash of past few days, not that we're likely to get the personal reaction of each employee, but it would be interesting to know what a general interpretation of the community's complaints have been.

  I get that Bioware perhaps want to do some other things with this expansion.  The no romances seems to be the easiest thing to let slide -at least for me, others obviously disagree- from a design perspective.  Maybe they simply didn't feel like writing them for the exp, or have something entirely different in mind; we'll have to wait and see.  The no DLC loot carryover seems to be the most legit complaint given that an actual price-tag was attatched to much of it and DAO is required to play DAA.  The dead-warden issue just seems an all around silly design choice.  They obviously spent time incorporating non US character choices into the game world, it seems unlikely to me that incorporating US choices would have been any more difficult, perhaps even less so without having to worry about as much specific dialogue to an Orleasian GW.  (My own thoughts, I realize software development can often take nasty turns not immediateley visible, so if this is the case then I get it, believe me I do.)  But to just "hand-waive" the story element here really does -as someone else pointed out- seem very un-Bioware.

Anyways, again to the folks at Bioware, I loved DAO and am hopeful for a fun and immersive story-telling experience with Awakening, but as I posted in the FAQ thread my excitement has definatley been tempered.

Well I am hoping for some clarification on the US warden issue..maybe they'll take that time to give us some sort of update..not happy about the dlc items as we DID pay for those dlcs..etc.   Romances on hold til after okay, I get that maybe,  the voice actors were not available, or there was no budget for them

Note on the voice actors those are personal assumptions and not any kind of background knowledge on what might have gone on.

I think ..even though I was pleased to hear we have an expansion happening already...that perhaps someone is pushing the bar too hard.   Perhaps the parent company??  

Those of us who are fans, are still playing DA:O ..and basically I have played other rpgs ..Oblivion for example,  went off and played other games and have come back for expansions..when hearing about them.

I just get the impression that ..EA is afraid we'll lose interest..and is possibly pressuring to have all these DA:O based dlcs and expansions pushed out, to keep people hanging around.

I really would love to see..possibly a less accelerated pace on these dlcs and expansion, and more thought put into them ..as per what the fans really want. 

We've hardly played RTO at all...I've gotten three runs at it, and already...we're going to be losing those items once Awakening happens.

There MUST be a better way to do this...and its my impression that time constraints and budget constraints are whats throwing the monkey wrench into getting more into these dlcs and expansions.

I think that probably EA is issuing orders and Bioware pretty much has to toe the line on this...but at what cost ..in the end?

End result IS:  we DID pay for those items along with the dlcs themselves..we shouldn't be losing them.  Nor should the story lines be cheapened by saying..oh well you can play your dead warden....we don't care.

SOME of us DO care Bioware....we really do.   Please don't keep trudging down that muddy trail....it may cost you in the long run.

[DJRankine]

Personally, I think that DAO was/is an amazing game, and whatever BioWare decides to do with Awakening is fine, as long as it's essentially the same game play I can happily say that I will very much enjoy playing through it. I'm not going to play through at be upset that I don't have my Starfang, or Lelianna sneaking into my room at night.



Baldur's Gate put the faith in me that DAO would be worth while, and I wasn't dissapointed, (even though I was worried it would be like NWN which I didn't like). So I have faith that Awakening will be just as worth while.



I agree it would be nice to have the DLC with me, and continuing romances, but i'm not going to lose sleep over it. I say at least wait until the game is out, and you've played through it, then do your complaining if you still have any.



Oh, and as for the "Dead Warden" thing, if it really bothers you that much, just don't import your Dead Warden. BioWare have been nice enough to provide you with a nice Orlesian Warden instead Simples?

[Maedryc]

There's also the fact that they're real people, not some sort of bot.
Answering now and maybe being dragged into a flame war while trying to defend their decisions could turn this mess in a PR blunder, making the situation even worse.
So, while I'd appreciate a lot if they came here to drop a line and clarify some issues, I'm not holding my breath.

Modifié par Maedryc, 16 février 2010 - 08:56 .

[Feraele]

DJRankine wrote...

Personally, I think that DAO was/is an amazing game, and whatever BioWare decides to do with Awakening is fine, as long as it's essentially the same game play I can happily say that I will very much enjoy playing through it. I'm not going to play through at be upset that I don't have my Starfang, or Lelianna sneaking into my room at night.

Baldur's Gate put the faith in me that DAO would be worth while, and I wasn't dissapointed, (even though I was worried it would be like NWN which I didn't like). So I have faith that Awakening will be just as worth while.

I agree it would be nice to have the DLC with me, and continuing romances, but i'm not going to lose sleep over it. I say at least wait until the game is out, and you've played through it, then do your complaining if you still have any.

Oh, and as for the "Dead Warden" thing, if it really bothers you that much, just don't import your Dead Warden. BioWare have been nice enough to provide you with a nice Orlesian Warden instead Simples?

I don't think anyone here is saying that it isn't an amazing game.   I just hope they have 5 minutes to spare somewhere along the way to type up a message....and clarify some of these issues.