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[Feraele]

Maedryc wrote...

There's also the fact that they're real people, not some sort of bot.
Answering now and maybe being dragged into a flame war while trying to defend their decisions could turn this mess in a PR blunder, making the situation even worse.
So, while I'd appreciate a lot if they came here to drop a line and clarify some issues, I'm not holding my breath.

Who was calling them bots...and believe me I think WE ALL know they are busy people.   They have alot on their plates..I think by now most of us know that.

[Maedryc]

DJRankine wrote...


Oh, and as for the "Dead Warden" thing, if it really bothers you that much, just don't import your Dead Warden. BioWare have been nice enough to provide you with a nice Orlesian Warden instead Simples?

Ehm, man, the problem with the US ending is that people want to keep playing in a world shaped by their decisions, and, as things stands, they can't. "Just play something else" is not a satisfying answer to them, just like "Oh, you never really died" isn't.
Frankly, while none of my characters decided for the US in the end, I feel for them, because it seems that any other choice will be aknowledged in the x-pac.

Modifié par Maedryc, 16 février 2010 - 09:18 .

[CarlSpackler]

Maedryc wrote...

There's also the fact that they're real people, not some sort of bot.
Answering now and maybe being dragged into a flame war while trying to defend their decisions could turn this mess in a PR blunder, making the situation even worse.
So, while I'd appreciate a lot if they came here to drop a line and clarify some issues, I'm not holding my breath.

  Yeah I certainly didn't mean to imply that we are entitled to them answering our beck and call, comming into the forums to soothe us all with song and Guiness.  I just found it kind of interesting given their historic presence on the forums.  Truth be told I've never seen another group of forums where the devs were as active as they are here.  Which makes their absence all the more noticable.  (Personally, for my own amusement I like to imagine there was someone there at Bioware who said "Hey lets try these things as a test baloon in Awakening and see how it goes,"  FORUMS ASPLODE!!!  "Ok, well, scratch that idea for next expansion/sequel, what's next?"

[Feraele]

distinguetraces wrote...

DJRankine wrote...
Oh, and as for the "Dead Warden" thing, if it really bothers you that much, just don't import your Dead Warden. BioWare have been nice enough to provide you with a nice Orlesian Warden instead Simples?

NNNNNNNNNGGGGGHH

I don't want to be a broken record, but it's frustrating that at this point the people going "oh calm down" on this question haven't even grasped what the problem is.

Too true..but that takes actually reading  AND UNDERSTANDING..what the stated problem was in the first place..and I really doubt they did that hehe.

[Maedryc]

Feraele wrote...

Maedryc wrote...

There's also the fact that they're real people, not some sort of bot.
Answering now and maybe being dragged into a flame war while trying to defend their decisions could turn this mess in a PR blunder, making the situation even worse.
So, while I'd appreciate a lot if they came here to drop a line and clarify some issues, I'm not holding my breath.

Who was calling them bots...and believe me I think WE ALL know they are busy people.   They have alot on their plates..I think by now most of us know that.

Oh, that's not what I meant  
I meant that they've feelings like many of us, and could lose their cool if they're attacked from all angles on the forums. 
Developers losing their cool on a public forum= bad PR mess. If I were in their shoes, I'd stay far, far away from the forums for awhile.

[Feraele]

Maedryc wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Maedryc wrote...

There's also the fact that they're real people, not some sort of bot.
Answering now and maybe being dragged into a flame war while trying to defend their decisions could turn this mess in a PR blunder, making the situation even worse.
So, while I'd appreciate a lot if they came here to drop a line and clarify some issues, I'm not holding my breath.

Who was calling them bots...and believe me I think WE ALL know they are busy people.   They have alot on their plates..I think by now most of us know that.

Oh, that's not what I meant  
I meant that they've feelings like many of us, and could lose their cool if they're attacked from all angles on the forums. 
Developers losing their cool on a public forum= bad PR mess. If I were in their shoes, I'd stay far, far away from the forums for awhile.

These guys have tougher skins than you think they do...I've watched them since signing on here late October.   hehe

But I do agree, that currently they are probably overworked..and personally I just hope they can give us 5 minutes or so ..to state whats up..

[Maedryc]

Feraele wrote...

Maedryc wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Maedryc wrote...

There's also the fact that they're real people, not some sort of bot.
Answering now and maybe being dragged into a flame war while trying to defend their decisions could turn this mess in a PR blunder, making the situation even worse.
So, while I'd appreciate a lot if they came here to drop a line and clarify some issues, I'm not holding my breath.

Who was calling them bots...and believe me I think WE ALL know they are busy people.   They have alot on their plates..I think by now most of us know that.

Oh, that's not what I meant  
I meant that they've feelings like many of us, and could lose their cool if they're attacked from all angles on the forums. 
Developers losing their cool on a public forum= bad PR mess. If I were in their shoes, I'd stay far, far away from the forums for awhile.

These guys have tougher skins than you think they do...I've watched them since signing on here late October.   hehe

But I do agree, that currently they are probably overworked..and personally I just hope they can give us 5 minutes or so ..to state whats up..

Eh, I know...I've being lurking the forums since april ( the old boards, I mean  ).
They're still people, and people have good days and bad days, especially when the quality of their work is questioned.
Anyway, yeah, I hope they'll drop a line as well

[Maedryc]

double post.

Modifié par Maedryc, 16 février 2010 - 09:17 .

[Vuokseniska]

doesn't the marketing department tells teh devs basically what info about the game should be released on the web and what not?



besides, answering questions about an unreleased game is like opening pandora's box. dev's rarely do that with any game

[Metallicka]

Vuokseniska wrote...

doesn't the marketing department tells teh devs basically what info about the game should be released on the web and what not?

besides, answering questions about an unreleased game is like opening pandora's box. dev's rarely do that with any game

Especially when they know how much we'll hate the answers.

[Kakimori]

Because nothing they say will make the choices they made for the expansion better, and in any event the game is already locked. Why would they bother saying anything? At least they're not going the Molyneux route and promising things that they can't deliver on.

[CarlSpackler]

I don't think anyone's wanting the Molyneux route, or asking for offical PR, or anything of the like. It's just an observation that the usual Bioware pressence on the forums has been noticably lacking over the past few days. Not necessary a complaint, just an observation in the wake of the forum backlask.

[TheMadCat]

CarlSpackler wrote...


I don't think anyone's wanting the Molyneux route, or asking for offical PR, or anything of the like. It's just an observation that the usual Bioware pressence on the forums has been noticably lacking over the past few days. Not necessary a complaint, just an observation in the wake of the forum backlask.

What usual Bioware presence? David and Ferret? Because that about sums up the typical Bioware people who average more then 3 posts a week outside the toolset and tech forums. To me there is nothing really changed in Bioware's forums presence because there was so little there to begin with, I'm sure both David and Ferret have quite a bit on their table at the moment with a major release coming in about a month.

[Mass Fraud]

Maybe there're just scared. lawl

[FieryDove]

dark-lauron wrote...

We're one month from the release and no delays yet. Considering the game will also be boxed and shipped and everything, I'd say we won't get any delay at all. Which is good. As for BioWare's silence... I have no idea actually. Perhaps they are silent to see how people suffer down here...

From the 15 hour thread which is on page 3 now:

"Of course you would. But just because you may want info doesn't mean we can simply provide it -- information about a new game has to go through channels and is sent out in stages as we get closer to release. Once it's public, then we can discuss it." -David Gaider

So no, they are not laughing and enjoying us suffer, well Chris and Stanley maybe but...you know. j/king

[NKKKK]

Expect David to pass by here chastising all of you.

[Demx]

I wonder if the reason for having the option to bring back your dead warden was because there were a large amount of players who played the game once and ended up performing the ultimate sacrifice. Even if that is the case, the way they are handling it seems kinda lame. Oh? You died? Well, forgetaboutit instead of dying you uh *cough cough* , and here you are. No one will question you about being alive, because you never died to begin with.

[Valmy]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

Well, they'll have to face a lot of unhappy customers after Awakening is released.
They must be working on something now.

Yes I know I am outraged an expansion to a great game is being made by people with a proven track record going back ten years.  The very thought of it fills me with fury and I froth, yes, FROTH at the mouth with an uncontrolled desire to knock heads together!

Let me tell you something pal, the moment this expansion is released there will be a BLOODY day of reconing and Bioware will pay for their crimes.

[DJRankine]

Feraele wrote...

distinguetraces wrote...

NNNNNNNNNGGGGGHH

I don't want to be a broken record, but it's frustrating that at this point the people going "oh calm down" on this question haven't even grasped what the problem is.

Too true..but that takes actually reading  AND UNDERSTANDING..what the stated problem was in the first place..and I really doubt they did that hehe.

This is the first topic i've read about the problem as such, and that was my first response to it (and to any topic in general for that matter).

From my understanding people are annoyed because the continuity of the story is a bit poor if the Dead Warden continues into Awakening, but from that perspective I don't see what the issue is, if the player wants to continue his/her story in a world where the PC died, then they have that option, if they don't want that, they have the option to continue with a new character in a world that would still make sense, or if they want, continue where the story is a little bit.. huh what? You get the choice of what story you want to follow, and I will be happy with mine.

If that's not the issue people are talking about then i'm all ears, from what I read of this post and the FAQ section of Awakening, I figured thats what the complaints were about ><

[kyles3]

they want the world in which their character died to reflect the decisions their character made.

[SDNcN]

In regards to issues with the DLC items and lack of savefiles carrying over to the new Warden, the problems seem to be with the engine, chances are part of the team has been looking for a workaround. If they can find a way then we will most likely see that information appear in an article somewhere down the line.  If not, well they already announced it a month before the expansion comes out, it won't be like they never gave us warning beforehand.

Modifié par SDNcN, 17 février 2010 - 12:22 .

[Hugmejohnny]

CarlSpackler wrote...


I don't think anyone's wanting the Molyneux route, or asking for offical PR, or anything of the like. It's just an observation that the usual Bioware pressence on the forums has been noticably lacking over the past few days. Not necessary a complaint, just an observation in the wake of the forum backlask.

Oh god, I hate that guy. Him and his crew are like the anti-bioware's. The worst part is he's SO damn cocky. He's so sure his games are the best on the market and everything he does is so damn innovative. Please <_<. He's like the M. Night of video games, for some reason people still keep buying his s***.

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 17 février 2010 - 12:26 .

[moonshaedarkwalker]

Ok, here's the deal, I have a ps3. I Love this game(DA:O)! Wouldn't trade it for the world. <--bit extreme... you get my point. We've been waiting for RtO since Holiday '09....still not out. I WILL have it, when it is ready... "Awakenings" will also be bought and paid for when it is released. That's me, that's what I'm going to do. That's what Bioware, EA, Sony, and any other developer you can think of expects will happen from a truly remarkable game. And this IS a truly remarkable game or else we wouldn't find ourselves scanning these threads, no?

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

Curlain wrote...

Well it has only be a few days, I also assume if they are paying attention to these forums much (which might not necessarily be the case, after all, forumites make up only a small section of DA players) they might be just waiting until the major outrage has turned into acceptance and then they will probably respond.

I really only need to quote the (might not necessarily be the case,) part to state what I have to state.  How is it NOT obvious that people at BIOWARE are WELL aware of the out roar, and the complaints, and the questions from the Community?  Chris was on today and made a brand new thread to show off the new pictures of Awakening, then ran off so fast I still see his dust trail.  All without saying a thing to the community about it's concerns.  Is this a surprise?  No, not really.  But w/e at this point, I have given up expecting replies or answers for the most part.  I understand that they come here on their free time, but when you see them ignore questions, then post up new stuff, that's just down right dirty in my opinion.  I guess I should just be "happy" that they even come on here, and in a way, I am happy.  In all my years of playing video games, I have never felt that I was even listened to remotely regarding the game.  I do give props to BIOWARE for that, but in a way, they are their own worst enemy here.  Because they have this forum, and we know they DO come on here, it has sort of raise the bar for them so to speak.  It's a double edged sword with no escape for them.  But seriously guys.......just address some concerns, even if it's just with something like "unfortunately, we can't comment on this question due to contractual issues".  At least that would be something.......