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[SelphieSK]

It's their own damn fault, JRPGs feel like playable boring anime.

But I have to say that I loved JRPGs until I played Kotor, and realized what a real role playing game was about.

So yeah, go ahead SE, blame BW, not yourself for sticking with cliché storylines and ridiculous characters...

[vacantiii]

FF 12 was horrible in every way.Why can't Square Enix wrap their head around a real time system that is actually fun? Instead of clunky and well just dumb lol.

Modifié par vacantiii, 16 février 2010 - 07:29 .

[Jigero]

Garuda One wrote...

Jigero wrote...

FF12 got low reviews from who in the west? Last time I checked FF12 had nothing but stellar reviews from just about ever major reviewer, The only people who didn't like FF12 where the rabid fanboy mob, who thinks every thing before and after 7 sucks and just want 900 iterations of Cloud.

Incoming JRPG fanboy.

Actually I hate JRPGS, but I like FF12 because it was very western and very not JPRGish, I'm just saying why did Sqaure Enix say  FF12 got bad reveiws in the West

1up: A
Edge: 9/10
Eurogamer: 10/10
EGM: 9/10
Game Informer:  9.25/10
Game Spot: 9/10
IGN: 9.5/10
X-play: 5 out of 5

So where the heck are these bad reveiws? The poeple who diddn't like FF12 where the JRPG fanboys.

[Ryzaki]

vacantiii wrote...

FF 12 was the worst game I ever played hands down.

You've never played ET then.

FF12 is not that bad. Its not that great but its not horrible either.

Ironically enough I tend to enjoy JRPGs battle systems enough to make up for the lackluster stories. WRPGs battle systems often bore me to tears so much that I end up having to play like an hour at a time were I can blow through a JRPG without blinking.

Also. Molyneux is going to kill Fable. He really is. Honestly Lionhead. Wings? Really? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 février 2010 - 07:31 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Apparently, SE want to cover their ears rather than listen to critical feedback.



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[vacantiii]

Ryzaki wrote...

vacantiii wrote...

FF 12 was the worst game I ever played hands down.

You've never played ET then.

FF12 is not that bad. Its not that great but its not horrible either.

Ironically enough I tend to enjoy JRPGs battle systems enough to make up for the lackluster stories. WRPGs battle systems often bore me to tears so much that I end up having to play like an hour at a time were I can blow through a JRPG without blinking.

Also. Molyneux is going to kill Fable. He really is. Honestly Lionhead. Wings? Really? 

yea saying it was the worst is going a bit far I guess.. I do know this though..The only Final Fantasy game i have never finished. I hated it. Wait actually the 2nd. I never finished X-2 either. The MMO not my style but it does appeal to a certain type of gamer. The Grindfest type.

[halO bendeR]

Toriyama adds that it "becomes very difficult to tell a compelling story when you're given that much freedom".

In terms of Bethesda games he has a point, but it sounds like he really hasn't analyzed any Bioware games at all. Epic, compelling storytelling is the reason I keep coming back to Bioware games.

I like(d) JRPGs, but so few would really qualify as 'compelling storytelling' these days. Convoluted and 'EMOtional' sure, but not really compelling (at least as far as I'm concerned).

Modifié par halO bendeR, 16 février 2010 - 07:41 .

[Thompson family]

SelphieSK wrote...

It's their own damn fault, JRPGs feel like playable boring anime.

That was worth repeating.

[Mercuriol]

vhatever wrote...

They should have have stopped the FF franchise after FFIII.

I consider the whole series sort of a running joke now. SE was great, back in the day. But they milked that puppy into dust.

This.... well if you mean III/VI that is. Everything after that ranges from decent to complete crap.

Does make you wonder, why cant they make their stories as good as they were before. Is it the money? Does emo/fabulous make the jRPG crowd give all their money to the Square overlord?

Modifié par Mercuriol, 16 février 2010 - 07:45 .

[Ryzaki]

vacantiii wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

vacantiii wrote...

FF 12 was the worst game I ever played hands down.

You've never played ET then.

FF12 is not that bad. Its not that great but its not horrible either.

Ironically enough I tend to enjoy JRPGs battle systems enough to make up for the lackluster stories. WRPGs battle systems often bore me to tears so much that I end up having to play like an hour at a time were I can blow through a JRPG without blinking.

Also. Molyneux is going to kill Fable. He really is. Honestly Lionhead. Wings? Really? 

yea saying it was the worst is going a bit far I guess.. I do know this though..The only Final Fantasy game i have never finished. I hated it. Wait actually the 2nd. I never finished X-2 either. The MMO not my style but it does appeal to a certain type of gamer. The Grindfest type.

Disgaea. ULTIMATE GRINDFEST. God I hated that game. Sadly the storyline was hilarious so I forced myself to grind to get to the next hilarious cutscene.

Persona 3 on the other hand was actually a fun Grindfest to me. (Then again you could combine Personas and get hilarious game breaking attacks near endgame. [Armaggedon/Victory Cry = lulz] ) Plus I enjoyed the storyline. (I don't mind cliches as long as they're not pretending that they're not cliched.) 

Final Fantasy 10...I still need to finish that. I think I'm up to the part where you're about to meet Sin. Grindfest but no where near as bad as Disagea. (I can't spell the title to save my life).

Star Ocean III: Yeah the battle system is really fun. That's the game I can blow through in 30 hours (first time took me about 120 hrs not including the post game dungeons. I think it took me 200 hrs with the post game dungeons). and have a blast cliched storyline and all.

I love BioWare's RPGS but generally their combat systems leave a lot to be desired. To me anyways. Storyline makes up for it but still.

Then again I always tend to look at a game as a game anyways. So I tend to believe there's certain walls that will never be broken no matter how much control you're given over the story. As long as there's enough amusing moments to make me laugh, some moments to make me cry, other moments to get me upset. That's good enough for me. I don't need to have direct control over the gameworld. I just need the gameworld to influence me a bit.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 février 2010 - 07:48 .

[screwoffreg]

I started playing videogames with a JRPG, Final Fantasy II (IV). After my first intro to PC gaming and RPG's like Fallout, Baldurs Gate II, and even shareware titles like Exile, I sort of lost my taste for Final Fantasy games and the like. Needlessly grindy and these days it feels like the player is really just a rider on "small world", watching scenes go by without any meaningful interaction with the world constructed around them.

In ME 2, for example, I felt in control and a bit of a rush during the last mission. I never felt that in Final Fantasy...

Modifié par screwoffreg, 16 février 2010 - 07:47 .

[ToJKa1]

I liked FFXII, it was way for me to experience a MMORPG without other players

But really, the storyline was refreshingly different, political rather than "big giant evil destorying the world, again", and Ashe was one of the best FF main characters ever. No, the kids with blonde hair weren't the main characters.

This reminds me i haven't played a jRPG in ages, i've betrayed my roots! ..oh well. *Returns to ME2*

[Hizoka003]

i would like to see BioWare make RPGs instead of shooters, becasue anyone can make a shooter, and ME2 is really not differnt then Half Life with the excpetion that it has dialog and skill points that ultimalty don't matter with the cover system

[Seraosha]

To be fair, FF XIII has only debuted in Japan thus far. It shifted over a million copies on the first day. That's still pretty impressive, especially with the Japanese industry being in decline. Handhelds are the way forward in Japan these days, not consoles.

I'm sure that when FF XIII eventually gets to the West, it'll do just as well as Mass Effect 2. But make no mistake, people still like their linear Western RPG's. You just have to look at the reaction to Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2. It's not quite on the level of a JRPG, but the story is narrow and structured and so is the game world. 

Unfortunately, despite the successes of Oblivion and Fallout 3, the west is still a long way from endorsing the open world RPG wholeheartedly.

[MPaBkaTa123]

Hizoka003 wrote...

i would like to see BioWare make RPGs instead of shooters, becasue anyone can make a shooter, and ME2 is really not differnt then Half Life with the excpetion that it has dialog and skill points that ultimalty don't matter with the cover system

You have said this about ten thousand times, also this is like saying that star wars is the same as james bond only if you change the characters and setting. If skill points don't matter then show us a video of someone beating the game without hacks without spending a single point.

[Hizoka003]

the funny think is most the kids here that are saying crap about the JRPGs stories seem to fail at realizing the story is not made for our culture... but then again ignorancee will do that

[Garuda One]

Hizoka003 wrote...

the funny think is most the kids here that are saying crap about the JRPGs stories seem to fail at realizing the story is not made for our culture... but then again ignorancee will do that

Funny part is Japanese people bought more copies of Mass Effect 2 then FF 16 is it now? If the Japanese like Mass Effect 2 more then they did there own countries game, thats saying something. Not to mention that the Final Fantasy developers aren't going to listen to the critics. 

[Mercuriol]

Hizoka003 wrote...

the funny think is most the kids here that are saying crap about the JRPGs stories seem to fail at realizing the story is not made for our culture... but then again ignorancee will do that

Oh ok, no point in releasing their games over here then.

[Tyfreaky]

As of February 9th , Mass Effect 2 has sold 3.9 million copies, not bad for a game that basically came out two weeks 3 weeks ago.
Wikipedia - Mass Effect 2 (under Sales)

What do you want to bet a bunch of executives at Squaresoft have just purchased Xbox 360s and Mass Effect 2, to see what the hell it is they are missing?

And yes when I head that the Developers were grilling their interviewer over why Mass Effect 2 was so popular I shot milk out of my nose.... I love FF but to finally have the 'masters of the rpg' quaking in there boots is insanely funny.

[Space Shot]

Jigero wrote...

So where the heck are these bad reveiws? The poeple who diddn't like FF12 where the JRPG fanboys.

http://www.metacriti.../finalfantasy13

[vacantiii]

halO bendeR wrote...

Toriyama adds that it "becomes very difficult to tell a compelling story when you're given that much freedom".

In terms of Bethesda games he has a point, but it sounds like he really hasn't analyzed any Bioware games at all. Epic, compelling storytelling is the reason I keep coming back to Bioware games.

I like(d) JRPGs, but so few would really qualify as 'compelling storytelling' these days. Convoluted and 'EMOtional' sure, but not really compelling (at least as far as I'm concerned).

I'm not a huge fan of Bethesda while their games are quality, just not my cup of tea.

I feel Bioware has truly figured out the balance for freedom versus linear gameplay. I hate sandbox games for the most part.
However, when I play a Bioware game such as Mass Effect or Dragon Age I do not have this feeling of being overwhlemed with quest and stuff to do.
Has Toriyama ever played a Bioware game? I have to wonder.
Oh and the truly EPIC story telling in any current Bioware game. In my opinion the top dawg in the industry at their craft.
I'm not saying Bioware is perfect. Hell no game to me will ever be perfect, I will always find something that I don't like about it. Doesn't mean a company can't come close though.

Most Final Fantasy games can be summed up to a cry baby lead and the rollercoaster love story that insues shortly after you start the game. I mean take FF X for example...Tidus.

I do plan on getting FF XIII though. 

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Ryzaki wrote...

I love BioWare's RPGS but generally their combat systems leave a lot to be desired. To me anyways. Storyline makes up for it but still.

Then again I always tend to look at a game as a game anyways. So I tend to believe there's certain walls that will never be broken no matter how much control you're given over the story. As long as there's enough amusing moments to make me laugh, some moments to make me cry, other moments to get me upset. That's good enough for me. I don't need to have direct control over the gameworld. I just need the gameworld to influence me a bit.

Gah. Repetitive menu systems and rewatching attack animations = hell for me.

I never liked JRPGs for that reason (to each their own, though).

[Jigero]

Space Shot wrote...

Jigero wrote...

So where the heck are these bad reveiws? The poeple who diddn't like FF12 where the JRPG fanboys.

http://www.metacriti.../finalfantasy13

Again where the heck are these bad reveiws, those aren't bad, FF12 Sold 1.5 million in north america alone in it's first week, ME2 only managed to sell 2 million world wide in it's first week.  FF12 has sold 5.2 million copies world wide it was the 4th highest selling game on the PS2 ever and it won **** ton of awards from western magazines, WTF is Square Enix complaining about?

Modifié par Jigero, 16 février 2010 - 08:08 .