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[Thompson family]

Space Shot wrote...

Jigero wrote...

So where the heck are these bad reveiws? The poeple who diddn't like FF12 where the JRPG fanboys.

http://www.metacriti.../finalfantasy13

Not enough responses yet, but notice that player reviews are very close (so far) with published reviews. That comparison is a figure I pay attention to. Many times critically lauded games are no fun or fun games are not critically praised. When there's congruence between the two scores, that mean reviewer bias isn't a big factor.

[Kepha]

The first post had a typo. Its Final Fantasy 13 reviews that have been mixed (not as good as expected.)

[nicodeemus327]

I don't know if I’d call that good for a franchise such as Final Fantasy. I expect more out of Bioware games then that (and they deliver).

[Jigero]

Kepha wrote...

The first post had a typo. Its Final Fantasy 13 reviews that have been mixed (not as good as expected.)

Ok now that makes sense, FF13 i heard even in japan is not doing to well, Also it's looks incredably stupid.

[vacantiii]

Ryzaki wrote...

vacantiii wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

vacantiii wrote...

FF 12 was the worst game I ever played hands down.

You've never played ET then.

FF12 is not that bad. Its not that great but its not horrible either.

Ironically enough I tend to enjoy JRPGs battle systems enough to make up for the lackluster stories. WRPGs battle systems often bore me to tears so much that I end up having to play like an hour at a time were I can blow through a JRPG without blinking.

Also. Molyneux is going to kill Fable. He really is. Honestly Lionhead. Wings? Really? 

yea saying it was the worst is going a bit far I guess.. I do know this though..The only Final Fantasy game i have never finished. I hated it. Wait actually the 2nd. I never finished X-2 either. The MMO not my style but it does appeal to a certain type of gamer. The Grindfest type.

Disgaea. ULTIMATE GRINDFEST. God I hated that game. Sadly the storyline was hilarious so I forced myself to grind to get to the next hilarious cutscene.

Persona 3 on the other hand was actually a fun Grindfest to me. (Then again you could combine Personas and get hilarious game breaking attacks near endgame. [Armaggedon/Victory Cry = lulz] ) Plus I enjoyed the storyline. (I don't mind cliches as long as they're not pretending that they're not cliched.) 

Final Fantasy 10...I still need to finish that. I think I'm up to the part where you're about to meet Sin. Grindfest but no where near as bad as Disagea. (I can't spell the title to save my life).

Star Ocean III: Yeah the battle system is really fun. That's the game I can blow through in 30 hours (first time took me about 120 hrs not including the post game dungeons. I think it took me 200 hrs with the post game dungeons). and have a blast cliched storyline and all.

I love BioWare's RPGS but generally their combat systems leave a lot to be desired. To me anyways. Storyline makes up for it but still.

Then again I always tend to look at a game as a game anyways. So I tend to believe there's certain walls that will never be broken no matter how much control you're given over the story. As long as there's enough amusing moments to make me laugh, some moments to make me cry, other moments to get me upset. That's good enough for me. I don't need to have direct control over the gameworld. I just need the gameworld to influence me a bit.

Heh well said. I agree a lot with most things you said there.
Biowares combat systems do have a little room for improvement but overall I dig.
Hell I loved ME2's aside from my squad sometimes not going where I told them or just standing up and eating a ton of damage to the face lol.
Dragon Age umm leaves a lot to be desired but it is a system that one can master.

I will say that JRPG's do have some good humor in them. I have always wanted to play Persona but have never took the risk on it to say.

Mass Effect has amazing humor in my opinoin one of the few games that will literally make me LOL.

The Hanar Specter!

[hubris0]

halO bendeR wrote...

Toriyama adds that it "becomes very difficult to tell a compelling story when you're given that much freedom".

In terms of Bethesda games he has a point, but .....

Can't agree even a little bit.  Morrowind's main quest was complex, dark, intriguing, and utterly compelling.  The MQ of Oblivion was slightly less so, but the quests associated with the individual guilds were rich enough to make up for any weaknesses in the MQ.

[Thompson family]

One possible factor needs to be mentioned here.



We're comparing ME2 with FF13.



You have to wonder how well ME 13 will hold up.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Seraosha wrote...

To be fair, FF XIII has only debuted in Japan thus far. It shifted over a million copies on the first day. That's still pretty impressive, especially with the Japanese industry being in decline. Handhelds are the way forward in Japan these days, not consoles.

I'm sure that when FF XIII eventually gets to the West, it'll do just as well as Mass Effect 2. But make no mistake, people still like their linear Western RPG's. You just have to look at the reaction to Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2. It's not quite on the level of a JRPG, but the story is narrow and structured and so is the game world. 

Unfortunately, despite the successes of Oblivion and Fallout 3, the west is still a long way from endorsing the open world RPG wholeheartedly.

Western RPGs (specifically Bioware's and Bethesda's titles) are more linear and narrower than JRPGs?

  You....messin' with ma..... brainssss...

[nicodeemus327]

Thompson family wrote...

One possible factor needs to be mentioned here.

We're comparing ME2 with FF13.

You have to wonder how well ME 13 will hold up.

Bioware is smart enough to move onto something else.

[ZeroXraven]

Jigero wrote...

Space Shot wrote...

Jigero wrote...

So where the heck are these bad reveiws? The poeple who diddn't like FF12 where the JRPG fanboys.

http://www.metacriti.../finalfantasy13

Again where the heck are these bad reveiws, those aren't bad, FF12 Sold 1.5 million in north america alone in it's first week, ME2 only managed to sell 2 million world wide in it's first week.  FF12 has sold 5.2 million copies world wide it was the 4th highest selling game on the PS2 ever and it won **** ton of awards from western magazines, WTF is Square Enix complaining about?

I don't really know where it went but a "Japanese" magazine gave the newest Final Fantasy a 4/10...it was kinda sad

[Garuda One]

Kepha wrote...

The first post had a typo. Its Final Fantasy 13 reviews that have been mixed (not as good as expected.)

I find it funny that someone said I had a typo, which I did. Instead of XIII I had XII thats saying something if anything. For the fact that Square Enix is beating a dead horse, when someone can make a typo for a number of a said game. That said game being Final Fantasy THIRTEEN instead of Final Fantasy TWELVE. I'm sorry but if a game has 13 games and the title of a game franchise is FINAL Fantasy - I'm sorry but thats just beyond funny.

  

[Ryzaki]

vacantiii wrote...


Heh well said. I agree a lot with most things you said there.
Biowares combat systems do have a little room for improvement but overall I dig.
Hell I loved ME2's aside from my squad sometimes not going where I told them or just standing up and eating a ton of damage to the face lol.
Dragon Age umm leaves a lot to be desired but it is a system that one can master.

I will say that JRPG's do have some good humor in them. I have always wanted to play Persona but have never took the risk on it to say.

Mass Effect has amazing humor in my opinoin one of the few games that will literally make me LOL.

The Hanar Specter!

Play it Play it! Persona is not an experience to miss.

(Though honestly if you can deal with old school graphics and weird storylines you should Play Persona 2 (Both Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment. (Especially if you have a PSP) Persona 3 and 4 are awesome as well.) Also Persona 3 the Operation Babe Hunt always amuses me when I'm in a bad mood.

Plus Social links = win. A really skimpy version that BioWare should take some pointers from. (Mostly Friendship paths!)

Dragon Age is awesome. One of these days I'll have to buy my own copy.  I think my roomie is getting sick of me using hers. XD

LOL

Awesome.

[PuakaFace]

Heartlocker wrote...

Only thing I like about JRPG's..The hair is always spot on, at least it moves around and seems realistic.

... Whaaaaaaaaat??? ... I mean no offence when i ask- Is this a joke? the crazy hair of the JRPG world is part of what I hate about it. That doesn't mean i like the hair in ME. I just hate them less.

Man, I was a JRPG fan back when the characters faces were clunky pixels (and yes that includes ff7) but once the details got better and I was able to see that all the guys were girls and all the girls were very little girls, I was quickly out of interest. Seriously, most male characters in JRPGs are castrated remnants of what was meant to be born with a y chromosome.

Western RPGs are forged from the fires of hell and tempered in a lake of testosterone. They are gritty, bloody, and sweaty and that is why I love them.

[vacantiii]

Garuda One wrote...

Kepha wrote...

The first post had a typo. Its Final Fantasy 13 reviews that have been mixed (not as good as expected.)

I find it funny that someone said I had a typo, which I did. Instead of XIII I had XII thats saying something if anything. For the fact that Square Enix is beating a dead horse, when someone can make a typo for a number of a said game. That said game being Final Fantasy THIRTEEN instead of Final Fantasy TWELVE. I'm sorry but if a game has 13 games and the title of a game franchise is FINAL Fantasy - I'm sorry but thats just beyond funny.

  

Yea true lol.

I think Final Fantasy is a different case than say Mass Effect. It's not like they have been expanding the same universe and setting for each game. : P

I myself am totally pumped for FF 13.

[Jigero]

Garuda One wrote...

Kepha wrote...

The first post had a typo. Its Final Fantasy 13 reviews that have been mixed (not as good as expected.)

I find it funny that someone said I had a typo, which I did. Instead of XIII I had XII thats saying something if anything. For the fact that Square Enix is beating a dead horse, when someone can make a typo for a number of a said game. That said game being Final Fantasy THIRTEEN instead of Final Fantasy TWELVE. I'm sorry but if a game has 13 games and the title of a game franchise is FINAL Fantasy - I'm sorry but thats just beyond funny.

  

or maybe you just suck at roman numerals?

[ZeroXraven]

http://www.qj.net/qj...in-history.html



Here is your review, maybe it was from China

Still though, game sucks

[massive_effect]

WilliamBirkin wrote...

SE is stuck in the past. Thats why.

SE has taken complacency to the extreme. They haven't innovated since FFVII. They have only thived on their characters and art design.

[armass]

halO bendeR wrote...

Toriyama adds that it "becomes very difficult to tell a compelling story when you're given that much freedom".

In terms of Bethesda games he has a point, but it sounds like he really hasn't analyzed any Bioware games at all. Epic, compelling storytelling is the reason I keep coming back to Bioware games.

I like(d) JRPGs, but so few would really qualify as 'compelling storytelling' these days. Convoluted and 'EMOtional' sure, but not really compelling (at least as far as I'm concerned).

Difficult for a japanese man maybe, who can't evolve and look beyond what he has seen or done before(common problem in japanese culture - originality). Final Fantasy used to be a series I respected, but the devs have really dropped the ball with the current instalations of the series. Also not listening to criticism just spells doom to those guys.

Modifié par armass, 16 février 2010 - 08:43 .

[Bibdy]

nicodeemus327 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

One possible factor needs to be mentioned here.

We're comparing ME2 with FF13.

You have to wonder how well ME 13 will hold up.

Bioware is smart enough to move onto something else.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but aren't Final Fantasy games usually a totally different setting and story in a totally different world every time (with the exception of X part 2)? I imagine they improve on various elements as time goes on.

It'd be like Bioware finishing Mass Effect 3, then making a similar futuristic-oriented RPG. They're going to take some of the elements that made ME good, but just tell a totally different story.

[Errol Dnamyx]

SelphieSK wrote...

It's their own damn fault, JRPGs feel like playable boring anime.

/thread over

[Mars Nova]

In my experience, JRPGs tend to involve a lot of level grinding. Level grinding=not fun. I find it's very difficult to tell a compelling story with large amounts of level grinding.

[nicodeemus327]

Bibdy wrote...

nicodeemus327 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

One possible factor needs to be mentioned here.

We're comparing ME2 with FF13.

You have to wonder how well ME 13 will hold up.

Bioware is smart enough to move onto something else.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but aren't Final Fantasy games usually a totally different setting and story in a totally different world every time (with the exception of X part 2)? I imagine they improve on various elements as time goes on.

It'd be like Bioware finishing Mass Effect 3, then making a similar futuristic-oriented RPG. They're going to take some of the elements that made ME good, but just tell a totally different story.

Like going from KotOR to ME? Or Baulder's Gate to DAO? Huge differences between those games and one FF to the next.

[WarlockSoL]

massive_effect wrote...

WilliamBirkin wrote...

SE is stuck in the past. Thats why.

SE has taken complacency to the extreme. They haven't innovated since FFVII. They have only thived on their characters and art design.

I strongly disagree with this statement.  Though if you are just referring to the Final Fantasy franchise, maybe (though FFXII did make some large changes to combat with the Gambit system).

[uzivatel]

Big open world? I am sure he is not talking about BioWare games...

Anyway, sandbox gameplay is not the best choice in story heavy games. Remedy realized this bit too late.

[Endurance_117]

Chrono Trigger and FFX is still better than a majority of any RPGs

Modifié par Endurance_117, 16 février 2010 - 08:50 .