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[Bob the Vanguard]

The only "JRPG" I play is the dreaded pokemonz (mudkip). For the most part I have avoided jrpgs just because I don't like my heros to be 13 year she-men. I've enjoyed Kingdom hearts (I like the story which is confusing at times) which is one of the few I allow to break the last rule. I just find wrpgs are more my flavor ( even with bestheda and their glitches that make me fall through the universe) and besides.... Jrpgs don't have Tali

[dmcguk]

all jrpg games are garbage in my opinion

[Mikka-chan]

I'm sorry, but saying 'jrpgs suck' is... sort of silly, really. Do some of them? You bet. Do most of them? Maybe. Do all of them? No, and if you say they do, I will laugh at you. Megami Tensei games- including the Devil Hunter and Persona spinoffs (Persona paticularly seems to be a hit over here, which: cool (version five please? )!)- are awesome. Difficult, interesting story, asks some good questions, fun gameplay, compelling characters: what's not to like?
And The World Ends With You/It's a Wonderful World is *brilliant*. And incredibly innovative: it plays different then many jrpgs.
Disliking stylistic elements is cool, and that might effect the full gaming thing for you if it bothers you that much. But 'Western RPGs are better then Japanese RPGs' is bull. Back in the early 2000s, this lovely American RPG came out. It was called Summoner. It was *horrible*. Anyone ever play it? Here's a spoiler: (I promise, you won't care- the game's that stupid) half-way through it, due to the actions/betrayal of one of your party members, the main character gets his hand cut off. There is maybe a minute of 'oh my god, ow, why?'. Then it disappears and is never mentioned again. Just like the guy who's spent most of his life hating you, yelling about that each time you meet, being told to join your party- and after joining, this is never mentioned again. Ever.
You know what came out the same year? Baldur's Gate II.
Final fantasy isn't all that's out there, or even all that's out there Square-Enix-wise. Hate on Kingdom Hearts all you want- personally, the camera from the first game made me sick- but argue that it's not innovative? I wouldn't. Who would have ever thought something like it could work and not suck? But it worked, and it didn't sucked, and whether they are 'weeaboo's' (...that term is fun to say outloud) or not, people are still eagerly buying the games, and while they wait for the next happily writing their slash fiction and drawing their Mary Sue's. And as I said, World Ends With You? Wow. There have been amazing games. There have also been Summoners.
But turning it in to a jrpg versus wrpg thing is stupid for us fans. Oh, it's nice that it keeps the game makers competitive- sort of like Disney versus Universal, where the ones who win are the theme park attendees. As long as the guy making games goes 'How is this outselling my game? I'm going to have to make my next game even better and outsell theirs, then!' (and he can't kid himself- like all people, he is listening to criticism, if not mindlessly), we're doing great: so why 'these kinds of games are better then those games, so hahahahah nanananana!'

...Psst. Suikoden II is formulaic, predictable, has loads and loads of characters, a mute teenage hero, stupid love plots with no confessions or conclusions, a highly homoerotic relationship between the main character and his rival, a lot of pretty boys and young girls (although buff men and mature woman are included), is heavily dependent on the moral that 'war sucks' without too much more attention put in to it, has a timed-side quest that's incredibly hard to finish while still getting all the other bonuses, has incredibly weird sidequests (cooking!), has the female lead doing something hurtful and stupid that she never takes flak for, and is incredibly easy: both the regular battles, and the so called strategy/tactical part. It's also up there in my top five games ever, and to this day I recommend it if you ever see a (rare to find) copy. Sometimes, you just like what you like.

Modifié par Mikka-chan, 17 février 2010 - 03:13 .

[Ryzaki]

^I actually play Suikoden II for the highly homoerotic relationship no joke XD I love that game.

[yhibiki]

Mikka-chan wrote...
...Psst. Suikoden II is formulaic, predictable, has loads and loads of characters, a mute teenage hero, stupid love plots with no confessions or conclusions, a highly homoerotic relationship between the main character and his rival, a lot of pretty boys and young girls (although buff men and mature woman are included), is heavily dependent on the moral that 'war sucks' without too much more attention put in to it, has a timed-side quest that's incredibly hard to finish while still getting all the other bonuses, has incredibly weird sidequests (cooking!), has the female lead doing something hurtful and stupid that she never takes flak for, and is incredibly easy: both the regular battles, and the so called strategy/tactical part. It's also up there in my top five games ever, and to this day I recommend it if you ever see a (rare to find) copy. Sometimes, you just like what you like.

How dare you diss Suiko II, don't you know it's the greatest Suiko game evarrr and everything about it is pure gold? But yeah, despite all its flaws, its one of my fave JRPGs.

I agree with your post, and also posit: it is possible to enjoy both WRPGs and JRPGs! In fact, it is possible to enjoy both genres, or even just one or the other genre, and not enjoy every single game in that genre! I can't stand Fallout 3, because I don't like constant dark tunnels and muted gray/brown color schemes. Doesn't mean it's a bad game, just means that I, personally, don't like it.

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Ryzaki wrote...

^I actually play Suikoden II for the highly homoerotic relationship no joke XD I love that game.

Lol, I always consider that the bonus in any JRPG. They tend to deliver a lot more on that front than western games.

Modifié par yhibiki, 17 février 2010 - 03:28 .

[Garuda One]

Mikka-chan wrote...

-Bull**** Clip-

Hang on a second. for someone to call there forum ava Mikka-chan, we already know your going to protect your favorite country that love oh so much and find it superior then where ever you live.

[Ryzaki]

yhibiki wrote...

Mikka-chan wrote...
...Psst. Suikoden II is formulaic, predictable, has loads and loads of characters, a mute teenage hero, stupid love plots with no confessions or conclusions, a highly homoerotic relationship between the main character and his rival, a lot of pretty boys and young girls (although buff men and mature woman are included), is heavily dependent on the moral that 'war sucks' without too much more attention put in to it, has a timed-side quest that's incredibly hard to finish while still getting all the other bonuses, has incredibly weird sidequests (cooking!), has the female lead doing something hurtful and stupid that she never takes flak for, and is incredibly easy: both the regular battles, and the so called strategy/tactical part. It's also up there in my top five games ever, and to this day I recommend it if you ever see a (rare to find) copy. Sometimes, you just like what you like.

How dare you diss Suiko II, don't you know it's the greatest Suiko game evarrr and everything about it is pure gold? But yeah, despite all its flaws, its one of my fave JRPGs.

I agree with your post, and also posit: it is possible to enjoy both WRPGs and JRPGs! In fact, it is possible to enjoy both genres, or even just one or the other genre, and not enjoy every single game in that genre! I can't stand Fallout 3, because I don't like constant dark tunnels and muted gray/brown color schemes. Doesn't mean it's a bad game, just means that I, personally, don't like it.

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Ryzaki wrote...

^I actually play Suikoden II for the highly homoerotic relationship no joke XD I love that game.

Lol, I always consider that the bonus in any JRPG. They tend to deliver a lot more on that front than western games.

Aye. BioWare dropped the ball with that. <_<

Also for homoerotic tension in current Jrpgs Persona. Yay!

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

dmcguk wrote...

all jrpg games are garbage in my opinion

I agree!

[yhibiki]

Ryzaki wrote...
Aye. BioWare dropped the ball with that. <_<
Also for homoerotic tension in current Jrpgs Persona. Yay!

Yeah, Yosuke was just screaming "DATE ME PLEASE SOUJI!" XD Still wish Kanji had been a dating option. ... Okay, admittedly anything where you can romance characters makes me happy. I picked up the JP version of Persona 3, I absolutely loved it.

Derailment aside....


Dunno if it was in this thread or in the other one, but somebody said that ME2 was outselling Final Fantasy 13 in Japan. I'm wondering how this is possible, considering how ME2 isn't released yet in Japan? The only version available there is the Asian version, which doesn't include Japanese text options. (Unless Amazon.co.jp decided to just not list the game, and various gaming websites were wrong in their assessment that the JP release was "TBA"?)

Huh, looks like the Japanese release of ME1 didn't include Japanese voice acting. Damn, I was looking forward to finding vids of Garrus talking in Japanese.

[kregano]

I think what's happening to the Japanese video gaming industry is similar to what's happening to anime: the company execs think that appealing to a niche market is going to get them more money than broadening the game's appeal to people who don't normally play those types of games. This attitude reinforces the prevailing cultural attitudes about originality not always being good (or something to that effect), so we end up getting the same plots, settings, character types, etc... It's so bad that I saw a trailer for a JRPG that seemed to be a weird mix of Star Trek and Mass Effect, but the main character still used a huge ass sword, the girls all were stacked or looked like little girls, and there was turn based combat. There are some studios willing to do stuff that deviates from the norm, but they seem to do it half heartedly and try to appeal to fans of older JRPGs instead of starting from scratch and using innovation to build up a fan base.

[NoShtSherlock]

Final Fantasy is a great series they have 13 so far in that series, Ubisoft tried to buy five star reviews and got caught out and maybe Square don't buy 5 star reviews and maybe that's why they got low reviews in the West, in my opinion

[shujikun08]

I used to play a lot of jrpgs, but mmo's and bioware rpg's are way ahead of those games these days. Not to mention the things I liked about jrpgs seem to be cut out these days (turn based replaced with real time, large open worlds replaced with linear gameplay, hidden characters/items/locations/etc replaced with dont-waste-time-on-content-90-percent-of-players-will-never-see, etc).

Awesome JRPG's:
FF3 (FF6 in Japan)
Chrono Trigger
Zelda A Link to the Past
Illusion of Gaia
Secret of Mana

Awesome Western RPG's:
Diablo 1, 2
Baldur's Gate 1,2
Icewind Dale
Fallout 1,2,3
Neverwinter Nights
Dragon Age
Mass Effect 1,2
KOTOR 1,2
The Witcher
Torchlight
Oblivion

Modifié par shujikun08, 17 février 2010 - 04:45 .

[redhead1979]

Don't get me wrong, I love me some BioWare and Bethesda, but I would dropkick some babies for a new Chrono Trigger.

[llinsane1ll]

Is the whole little western comments all there is? Or is there a entire interview?

[radwimp]

The only JRPGs that I ever really thought were amazing were Chrono Trigger, FF5 (Pirates!), Terranigma and Earthbound (and more recently the sequel Mother 3).



I've played every FF until 10, but they really are just the same game with different graphics spare one or two of them. You easily grow out of them. Also I got sick of playing 17 year old kids with purple hair.

[Nautica773]

I may be crazy, but maybe XIII is getting low reviews because it's not a good game.

[theeyeisblind]

we can thank bioware for giving us real RPGs. we can thank bethesda for giving us REAL open world adventures

japan has seen this coming ever since games like KOTOR, baldurs gate 1/2, planescape, ME1/2, oblivion, morriwind and fallout 3 have had such great successes. even square admited that they are looking at western studios and games to determine the path of the next final fantasy.

real time action + sandbox + true RPG elements>>> 23 yo turn based battles, compartmentalized worlds, and japanese culture thick cliche's.

[Rykn]

Idiot why is he trying to pass this off like that? Even the japanese hate final fantasy XIII most retail stores in japan have had to cut the price in half because no one is buying it. Sure it sold out in the beginning but then everyone found out it was sh*t and dumped it. Truth is that it was to linear even for the japanese. Doubt me? I can find the links if I need prove myself! (no joke I can provide links to prove how much fail final fantatsy XIII is. pm me if you wanna know that bad.)

[Drakron]

Rykn wrote...

Idiot why is he trying to pass this off like that? Even the japanese hate final fantasy XIII most retail stores in japan have had to cut the price in half because no one is buying it. Sure it sold out in the beginning but then everyone found out it was sh*t and dumped it. Truth is that it was to linear even for the japanese. Doubt me? I can find the links if I need prove myself! (no joke I can provide links to prove how much fail final fantatsy XIII is. pm me if you wanna know that bad.)

I know ... funny how these fanboys are acting and being COMPLETLY IGNORANT to why its getting low scores in the first place.

FF XIII sucks because ... its not a jRPG and even less a FF (that traditionaly are real time, have a world map, etc ...) as its a on-a-rails RPG lite.

Just ignore then Rykn ... no point of being mad at people so obvious ignorant and prejudiced that are only spewing this because of a certain interview that a BioWare CEO given.

[Rykn]

Drakron wrote...

Rykn wrote...

Idiot why is he trying to pass this off like that? Even the japanese hate final fantasy XIII most retail stores in japan have had to cut the price in half because no one is buying it. Sure it sold out in the beginning but then everyone found out it was sh*t and dumped it. Truth is that it was to linear even for the japanese. Doubt me? I can find the links if I need prove myself! (no joke I can provide links to prove how much fail final fantatsy XIII is. pm me if you wanna know that bad.)

I know ... funny how these fanboys are acting and being COMPLETLY IGNORANT to why its getting low scores in the first place.

FF XIII sucks because ... its not a jRPG and even less a FF (that traditionaly are real time, have a world map, etc ...) as its a on-a-rails RPG lite.

Just ignore then Rykn ... no point of being mad at people so obvious ignorant and prejudiced that are only spewing this because of a certain interview that a BioWare CEO given.

Yeah yeah okay.  I shouldn't even acknowledge their ignorance it's pointless trying to argue with them. I just hope something as fail as FF XIII is never released again.

[agentofatlas7]

It is pretty interesting that the main complaints of people stem from the fact that Final Fantasy 13 deviates from the normal jrpg norm. I mean most complaints I've read comes from the fact that they more or less streamlined the game. Meaning the general formula of FF13 is different than most jrpgs in that there are apparently no towns (there actually are by the way but people say that they are not towns because there are no shops), beginning is to linear, etc.. Personally I'm excited to play the game heard the gameplay is really good and frankly that's good enough for me.



As for jrpgs vs wrpgs, well all I can say is that I enjoy both. Most bioware games are great and so are some jrpgs. The problem I think is that so far this gen only a few quality jrpgs are made.

[Sphaerus]

Jay aww pee gee mahst repayah imawg, bring gray honah tew famery.

Seriously though, I can think of two JRPG's that don't totally ****** me off off the top of my head, and that's just because I liked them when I was 13 (or however old, I don't know) and get the warm, nostalgia-ey fuzzies. I doubt I'd want to sit down and play them.



Goddamn WRPG's, running around being Buck Manstrong, punching zombies and demons and **** in the face and sometimes using a sword or maybe a fireball but seriously that's for the gaymosexuals because IN AMERICA WE USE OUR FISTS TO PUNCH DRAGONS.



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Totally went off the rails there for a moment.

[gamergamergamer]

um ff13 has sold 2 million in japan and has yet to even release in the west yet, sales will be about equal with mass 2.

[RoninOmega]

Sphaerus wrote...

Jay aww pee gee mahst repayah imawg, bring gray honah tew famery.
Seriously though, I can think of two JRPG's that don't totally ****** me off off the top of my head, and that's just because I liked them when I was 13 (or however old, I don't know) and get the warm, nostalgia-ey fuzzies. I doubt I'd want to sit down and play them.

Goddamn WRPG's, running around being Buck Manstrong, punching zombies and demons and **** in the face and sometimes using a sword or maybe a fireball but seriously that's for the gaymosexuals because IN AMERICA WE USE OUR FISTS TO PUNCH DRAGONS.

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Totally went off the rails there for a moment.

Wow this is what im talking about when it comes to a wrpg vs jrpg topic, nobody can ever keep their racial comments to themselves and it isn't just this one.

Yeah really I loved how this topic started, and found it hilarious until it became pretty obvious this topic would end up turning into something nasty, please tone down the comments, seriously...