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[Thompson family]

The Council's not socialist. They're willfully ignorant.

Neither end of the political spectrum has a monopoly on that commodity. If anything, they keep trying to outdo each other.

Modifié par Thompson family, 16 février 2010 - 10:26 .

[meznaric]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...
I think you dont really know what Socialism mean

In the United States it is used to insult left wing politicians.  So it means: you are bad, very very bad and has nothing to do with actual socialism most of the time.

Ok, the thing is the OP that brought the socialist theme in the thread was right.
 
Socialism is againts free thinking and free ideas, and as such creates stagnation  from sticking to the status quo, even when better ways are available.

Have you ever heard a socialist politician claim that this is what they want? Where you get your ideas is beyond me. But we should really try to stick to the topic.

[--Master of All--]

I'm hoping the council will come to their senses. My Shepard is selfless, but he's not so selfless that he'll save the galaxy without getting a little recognition for it.


Actually, he probably is :innocent:

Modifié par --Master of All--, 16 février 2010 - 10:30 .

[Thompson family]

Yeah, some credit sometime would be nice.

Modifié par Thompson family, 16 février 2010 - 10:30 .

[screwoffreg]

lol socialism trolling in this thread. One might want to tell Great Britain several decades ago that Socialism is not democratic considering the Labour party was founded on SOCIALIST principles. That FDR and his DARN socialism!



Anyway, Star Trek is largely socialist in that it is a post-scarcity economic system. Why do you hate Captain Kirk?!

[Valmy]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...
Socialism is againts free thinking and free ideas, and as such creates stagnation  from sticking to the status quo, even when better ways are available.

Well that is a possible result but the ideology is public control of production and distribution of goods and services.  I am not interested in defining whether socialism is good or bad or promotes free thinking or whatever.  That is just a tad off-topic don't you think?

Anyway unless you have some sort of ingame proof the council is in favor of socialist policies it doesn't belong in this thread.

[CakesOnAPlane]

I think that they'll have the council killed off early by an attack on the citadel.

[Ulicus]

They already believe Shepard, they just didn't believe the Collector-Reaper connection and were using Shepard to feed Cerberus false information.



Yes, I do have my fingers in my ears and I am going LALALALA.

[meznaric]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

meznaric wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

Alexandus wrote...

The Council is full of weak-minded socialist politicians who will always convince themselves a problem does not exist rather than facing it.

Cerberus + Shepard = Dead Reapers

Council = Dead Galaxy

I'd go with Cerby and Shep.

the second i read 'socialist' in your post, you lost any legitimacy as a poster you had, hahaha.

I guess the evil socialist US who won the second world war (government seized control of heavy industry, telegraphs, railroads, merchant shipping...) was weak and ineffective too!

The US is a Republic not a socialist anything

Socialist does not equal not democratic. Where do you guys pick up these preconceptions? Fox News?

Economically, socialism denotes an economic system of state ownership and/or worker ownership of the means of production and distribution. In the economy of the Soviet Union, state ownership of the means of production was combined with central planning, in relation to which goods and services to make and provide, how they were to be produced, the quantities, and the sale prices.
Soviet economic planning was an alternative to allowing the market (supply and demand) to determine prices and production. During the Great Depression, many socialists considered Soviet-style planned economies the remedy to capitalism's inherent flaws – monopoly, business cycles, unemployment, unequally distributed wealth, and the economic exploitation of workers.
In the West, neoclassical liberal economists such as Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman said that socialist planned economies would fail, because planners could not have the business information inherent to a market economy (cf. economic calculation problem), nor would managers in Soviet-style socialist economies match the motivation of profit. Consequent to Soviet economic stagnation in the 1970s and 1980s, socialists began to accept parts of their critique. Polish economist Oskar Lange, an early proponent of market socialism, proposed a central planning board establishing prices and controls of investment. The prices of producer goods would be determined through trial and error. The prices of consumer goods would be determined by supply and demand, with the supply coming from state-owned firms that would set their prices equal to the marginal cost, as in perfectly competitive markets. The central planning board would distribute a "social dividend" to ensure reasonable income equality.[86]

http://en.wikipedia....alism#Economics

Actually under a socialist system you cant have democracy, since socialism is inherantly oposite of how democaracy works

Just because Soviet Union did that does not mean every socialist is a communist. There are many socialists who want a capitalist system with regulation (see http://en.wikipedia....pean_Socialists, http://en.wikipedia....emocratic_Party, http://en.wikipedia...._Party_(France), and so on...)

[Doug84]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

Chained_Creator wrote...

Alexandus wrote...

The Council is full of weak-minded socialist politicians

The Council is not socialist.

Indeed. Methinks the poster is one of these 12 year olds who think weak politicians are socialists/liberals (they don't seem to see the difference) and all strong politicians are not.

Huh

What does Socialism have to do with liberals??

Socialism mean its controled by the state, like the council.

I think you dont really know what Socialism mean

The Soviet Union and facist Germany had a Socialist economic system.

As I said, I know what socialism means, the average **** who cries "OMG socialism" doesn't seem to grasp what it means and that its not the same as being 'liberal weaklings'.

And the facist Germany was NOT socialist - it had a capitalist system to the same degree as the USA did when it was being dragged out of the Great Depression.

[Thompson family]

CakesOnAPlane wrote...

I think that they'll have the council killed off early by an attack on the citadel.

That would be a mistake. The Council is the biggest ally -- albeit unintentionally so -- that the Reapers have.

Still, they are a -- loosely -- unified body that could get all the major advanced species to act. In that sense they are irreplaceable.

[Doug84]

Ulicus wrote...

They already believe Shepard, they just didn't believe the Collector-Reaper connection and were using Shepard to feed Cerberus false information.

Yes, I do have my fingers in my ears and I am going LALALALA.

Wholy possible. Or they knew it all but didn't want to tip Cerberus off.

[screwoffreg]

The Council will deny Shepard's name three times before the rooster crows...

[Thompson family]

The Council will deny Shepard's name three times before the rooster crows...

Too true to be funny.

Modifié par Thompson family, 16 février 2010 - 10:37 .

[Computron2000]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...
Ok, the thing is the OP that brought the socialist theme in the thread was right.
 
Socialism is againts free thinking and free ideas, and as such creates stagnation  from sticking to the status quo, even when better ways are available.

Wanted to avoid this but this is just too wrong. Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

In the US, social security is a form of socialism. We should immediately stop it too. Better ways would be pure captialism (the extreme end) where you can starve or you can sign a contract that makes you a legal slave. 

All governments at the extreme ("pure") end are glaringly bad and all forms of governments have flaws, so all governments mix and match government types. There is NO perfect form government. Every country adapts to its own needs, resources and culture.

[NvVanity]

Only way Council will believe Shepard is if he crashes a Reaper into the Citadel in ME3. Infact I can imagine Shepard hijacking one somehow.

[Ileanos07]

They will believe. It would be like: "Ah, yes the Reap... Oh boy..." (looking from the window right on the big reaper fleet.

[Doug84]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

Chained_Creator wrote...

Alexandus wrote...

The Council is full of weak-minded socialist politicians

The Council is not socialist.

Indeed. Methinks the poster is one of these 12 year olds who think weak politicians are socialists/liberals (they don't seem to see the difference) and all strong politicians are not.

Huh

What does Socialism have to do with liberals??

Socialism mean its controled by the state, like the council.

I think you dont really know what Socialism mean

The Soviet Union and facist Germany had a Socialist economic system.

As I said, I know what socialism means, the average **** who cries "OMG socialism" doesn't seem to grasp what it means and that its not the same as being 'liberal weaklings'.

And the facist Germany was NOT socialist - it had a capitalist system to the same degree as the USA did when it was being dragged out of the Great Depression.

Err N.A.Z.I means Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei= National Socialist German Workers’ Party

If I called myself a humanitarian and then committed several genocides, would you still take my word for it?

EDIT: And I've just seen you're edit, so yeah, lets stop.

Modifié par Doug84, 16 février 2010 - 10:44 .

[Sith Reaper]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

Chained_Creator wrote...

Alexandus wrote...

The Council is full of weak-minded socialist politicians

The Council is not socialist.

Indeed. Methinks the poster is one of these 12 year olds who think weak politicians are socialists/liberals (they don't seem to see the difference) and all strong politicians are not.

Huh

What does Socialism have to do with liberals??

Socialism mean its controled by the state, like the council.

I think you dont really know what Socialism mean

The Soviet Union and facist Germany had a Socialist economic system.

As I said, I know what socialism means, the average **** who cries "OMG socialism" doesn't seem to grasp what it means and that its not the same as being 'liberal weaklings'.

And the facist Germany was NOT socialist - it had a capitalist system to the same degree as the USA did when it was being dragged out of the Great Depression.

Err N.A.Z.I means Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei= National Socialist German Workers’ Party


EDIT: but you're right this isnt here not there with this thread so ill stop.

They called themselves socialists, but in reality, they had a completely different economic system from socialism.

EDIT: Yeah, stopping now. 

Modifié par Sith Reaper, 16 février 2010 - 10:49 .

[Azint]

"Ah, yes 'Reapers'..."

[Kenthen]

I fully expect the Turian council member to go "Ah yes, 'Reapers...'" seconds before the Citadel is blown to smithereens by a Reaper fleet. Air quotes and all.

[Sith Reaper]

meznaric wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

Alexandus wrote...

The Council is full of weak-minded socialist politicians who will always convince themselves a problem does not exist rather than facing it.

Cerberus + Shepard = Dead Reapers

Council = Dead Galaxy

I'd go with Cerby and Shep.

the second i read 'socialist' in your post, you lost any legitimacy as a poster you had, hahaha.

I guess the evil socialist US who won the second world war (government seized control of heavy industry, telegraphs, railroads, merchant shipping...) was weak and ineffective too!

The US is a Republic not a socialist anything

Socialist does not equal not democratic. Where do you guys pick up these preconceptions? Fox News?

Coolest krogan I have ever met.