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[Hugmejohnny]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

If Leliana and I have split up I'M KEEPING THE NUG.

I slept with two nugs in the **** house *surprise me special*, I can tell you, their not really worth keeping around.

What's worse, they think the same of you.

Pfhhh, they would wouldn't they. I'm gonna have to nugslap those b****es.

[JamieCOTC]

The title of this thread made me laugh. Thank you.

[J0urn3y]

Ha, this is my favorite topic of the day.

[casedawgz]

Have you ever faced an Orlesian bard unit before? Few Fereldens have.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ha!



Apparently going from Bard to Information Broker is rather easy.



Actually that makes more sense than Liara in ME 2 to tell you the truth.

[J0urn3y]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ha!

Apparently going from Bard to Information Broker is rather easy.

Actually that makes more sense than Liara in ME 2 to tell you the truth.

It does considering Leiliana has infiltration and spy skills. I never got how digging up artifacts translated into information broker skills.

[Harcken]

Honestly, if they don't show up, or show up with some sort of one liner or with the same exact dialogue as another character (Mass Effect 2), it would just rekindle the sour taste of importing save games that was left in my mouth. I feel, for example, if importing saved games wasn't an option in ME2 we could have walked around the Citadel, the Council would have played a greater role, and overall, more characters would have appearances and play a larger part in the story. But importing decisions essentially sidelines characters that can potentially be killed, and leaves cameos with little to no dialogue. I was hoping Bioware left the Mass Effect franchise as the cannonless one, however, took a different route with Dragon Age... but we'll see.

[kormesios]

bythebarricades wrote...

It'd be a shame if they didn't. At the end of my last game, I had Zevran with me, helping to rebuild the Grey Wardens, and I really don't understand why the expansion isn't a seamless transition from the original game. Some characters could be naturally whittled away (Wynne, Alistair, Morrigan, Shale, Sten, etc...) but why not let a love interest like Zevran or Leliana return?

I like that my character has his or her own story and it'll be kind of tough to just say "Well, Zev's gone now and you're alone, let's go pal." (Yes, it was a male human noble with Zevran)

Alistair can be whittled away, but Zevran deserves--nay, demands--a seamless transition?  Alistair's a major figure, Zev's optional (who betrayed me & died in two of my three games), both were romanced by plenty.

This sort of thing is exactly why trying a continuation is impossible.  I played three times, pretty similar goody-goodies in most respects, and ended up dead, wandering alone, and as an Arl & advisor in Denerrim, respectively.  Throw in "rebuilding the Wardens", "sleeping with the king," "married to the queen," "dwarven paragon," etc., and you've got more origins with more characters than you had in the full-sized game.

The fast forward approach is the only way to sidestep this.

[MassEffect762]

"Is Leliana now obessed with killing the Shadow Broker?"

LMAO.

I thought the exact same thing.

[Rylor Tormtor]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Will Zevran call me a God, yell at me for not calling, say he doesn't know me, and then send me an e-mail?

Will these character even be making cameos?

Zing!

[DalishRanger]

She only becomes obsessed with the Shadow Broker if you hardened her after the Marjolaine quest. Unhardened, she thinks the Shadow Broker deserves a second chance.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Harcken wrote...

Honestly, if they don't show up, or show up with some sort of one liner or with the same exact dialogue as another character (Mass Effect 2), it would just rekindle the sour taste of importing save games that was left in my mouth. I feel, for example, if importing saved games wasn't an option in ME2 we could have walked around the Citadel, the Council would have played a greater role, and overall, more characters would have appearances and play a larger part in the story. But importing decisions essentially sidelines characters that can potentially be killed, and leaves cameos with little to no dialogue. I was hoping Bioware left the Mass Effect franchise as the cannonless one, however, took a different route with Dragon Age... but we'll see.

Depends.  On one hand I'd prefer that they'd go the full route with DA 2 but if thats not possible (due either to resources or time restraints) I honestly wouldn't mind what they did in ME 2... for the most part.  It does seem kind of silly that there is random encounters with people, and that they could write heaps of new dialogue for new characters but completly missed the mark on a couple of the returning ones (Liara mostly to tell you the truth). 

Plus the DA games aren't as strict in their presentation so that *should* be an advantage when making expansion packs or sequels, but we'll see I guess.  Apparently they are making a new engine for DA 2 so when that comes out it could very well have some problems as almost every game that is released under a new engine is.

[Pocketgb]

bythebarricades wrote...

It'd be a shame if they didn't. At the end of my last game, I had Zevran with me, helping to rebuild the Grey Wardens, and I really don't understand why the expansion isn't a seamless transition from the original game. Some characters could be naturally whittled away (Wynne, Alistair, Morrigan, Shale, Sten, etc...) but why not let a love interest like Zevran or Leliana return?

I like that my character has his or her own story and it'll be kind of tough to just say "Well, Zev's gone now and you're alone, let's go pal." (Yes, it was a male human noble with Zevran)

I know what you mean. My character grew quite attached to Leliana, and even called things off with Morrigan to be with her. Leliana seemed a bit uninteresting at first, then she sang and thus began my dive into discovering her aweomeness as a character.

At the end of DA I was thinking "awesome! I will be with Leliana forever!", and to have that cut for DA:O will be kind of tough to swallow.

Of course, the selling point for me here is how awesome of a cameo she'll make. Will you see her at the beginning, given a temporary "goodbye" and a tender kiss? Or will it just be a letter you take with you to read from time to time during your journey? The difference to me is quite big.

[flem1]

casedawgz wrote...

Have you ever faced an Orlesian bard unit before? Few Fereldens have.

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[kormesios]

Pocketgb wrote...
I know what you mean. My character grew
quite attached to Leliana, and even called things off with Morrigan to
be with her. Leliana seemed a bit uninteresting at first, then she sang
and thus began my dive into discovering her aweomeness as a character.

At
the end of DA I was thinking "awesome! I will be with Leliana
forever!", and to have that cut for DA:O will be kind of tough to
swallow.

Being involved doesn't mean you don't take
business trips and occasionally have to spend time apart.  You are a
hero, she's an ex-assassin ex-lesbian ex-nun.  You both would have
responsibilities outside the relationship.

Of course,
the selling point for me here is how awesome of a cameo she'll make.
Will you see her at the beginning, given a temporary "goodbye" and a
tender kiss? Or will it just be a letter you take with you to read from
time to time during your journey? The difference to me is quite big.

Yes, it'll make a difference.  You certainly could have dialogues and an appearance that imply a contented relationship.  Maybe she's not adventuring with you because she's pregnant with a baby warden--a non-demon child baby warden, at that!

But it could be way worse for you than a letter--the Mass Effect 2 style would be a hard-coded break up, after which she gets back together with Marjolaine.  And asks you to help her kill people.

Unfortunately, ad this is the problem the developers face, my human noble did the Leliana romance but I'm not really picturing a "forever" in that.  The scene you probably want--tender goodbye and faithful girl waiting for me back home--would probably make me unhappy.

[DalishRanger]

kormesios wrote...

Being involved doesn't mean you don't take business trips and occasionally have to spend time apart.  You are a
hero, she's an ex-assassin ex-lesbian ex-nun.  You both would have responsibilities outside the relationship.

I know I'm nitpicking here, but... Even if you romance Leliana as a male Warden, I wouldn't call her an ex-lesbian. She's bisexual; regardless of the Warden's gender, she remains such. Loving a male Warden wouldn't make her suddenly lose her attraction to women any more than her loving a female Warden would make her lose her attraction to men.

/end nitpick

Modifié par DalishRanger, 17 février 2010 - 07:08 .

[Dick Delaware]

Hehe, ex-lesbian. Now every time I think of a male Warden romancing Leliana, I'll think of Chasing Amy.

[Maria Caliban]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Actually that makes more sense than Liara in ME 2 to tell you the truth.

Indeed it does.

In ME3, it turns out Leliana is the Shadow Broker.

kormesios wrote...
You are a hero, she's an ex-assassin ex-lesbian ex-nun.

My Leliana is not an ex-lesbian. She's an ex... straightbianess.

kormesios wrote...
Maybe she's not adventuring with you because she's pregnant with a baby warden--a non-demon child baby warden, at that!

 “No, Leliana! You promised me you were going to give that straightbieness lifestyle up!”

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 février 2010 - 07:30 .

[kormesios]

DalishRanger wrote...

kormesios wrote...

Being involved doesn't mean you don't take business trips and occasionally have to spend time apart.  You are a
hero, she's an ex-assassin ex-lesbian ex-nun.  You both would have responsibilities outside the relationship.

I
know I'm nitpicking here, but... Even if you romance Leliana as a male
Warden, I wouldn't call her an ex-lesbian. She's bisexual; regardless
of the Warden's gender, she remains such. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]
Loving a male Warden wouldn't make her suddenly lose her attraction to
women any more than her loving a female Warden would make her lose her
attraction to men.

/end nitpick

Yes, it is a nitpick.  It also depends on whether she was a lesbian before she fell for the PC (say, my human noble), not whether she was bisexual afterwards.

She clearly had a thing for Marj, but all the others were just people to be deceived--no connection, she simply played them and they fell for it.  And my human noble might've been just the sort who first convinced her that a man was worth falling for.

Also just the sort of idiot  to believe that while he was being played by a pretty girl.

Maria Caliban wrote...
In ME3, it turns out Leliana is the Shadow Broker.

kormesios wrote...
You are a hero, she's an ex-assassin ex-lesbian ex-nun.

My Leliana is not an ex-lesbian. She's an ex... straightbianess.

kormesios wrote...
Maybe she's not adventuring with you because she's pregnant with a baby warden--a non-demon child baby warden, at that!

 “No, Leliana! You promised me you were going to give that straightbieness lifestyle up!”

Hmm, that'll be hard for her to explain to you, former professional liar though she was.  Would you believe some line about elven 'adaptive genes'?  Or would you prefer she tried something about Morrigan and a dark ritual?

Modifié par kormesios, 17 février 2010 - 07:47 .

[DalishRanger]

kormesios wrote...
Yes,
it is a nitpick.  It also depends on whether she was a lesbian before
she fell for the PC (say, my human noble), not whether she was bisexual
afterwards.

She clearly had a thing for Marj, but all the others
were just people to be deceived--no connection, she simply played them
and they fell for it.  And my human noble might've been just the sort
who first convinced her that a man was worth falling for.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Also just the sort of idiot  to believe that while he was being played by a pretty girl. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

It's not a question of love, it's a question of attraction - I agree that Leliana didn't have a love connection with people other than Marjolaine (as far as we know) prior to a Warden, but that doesn't mean she couldn't feel a sexual attraction towards both genders, regardless.

Maria Caliban wrote...
 “No, Leliana! You promised me you were going to give that straightbieness lifestyle up!”

Modifié par DalishRanger, 17 février 2010 - 07:57 .

[kormesios]

DalishRanger wrote...
It's not a question of love, it's a question of attraction - I agree that Leliana didn't have a love connection with people other than Marjolaine (as far as we know) prior to a Warden, but that doesn't mean she couldn't feel a sexual attraction towards both genders, regardless.

Could've.  Then again, might not have.  Neither confirmed nor denied by any dialogue I've seen, the only pleasure she mentioned was fooling idiot men, not actually doing the act (if she really did anything at all with them--that wasn't explicitly mentioned either, IIRC.)

You announced you were going after nits, can't blame me for splitting hairs.

Modifié par kormesios, 17 février 2010 - 08:19 .

[DalishRanger]

kormesios wrote...
You announced you were going after nits, can't blame me for splitting hairs.

Ha! Too true! Guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then.

[Maria Caliban]

kormesios wrote...

Yes, it is a nitpick.  It also depends on whether she was a lesbian before she fell for the PC (say, my human noble), not whether she was bisexual afterwards.

The writers have always discribed her as bisexual. If you have a female PC romancing Alistair, she'll talk about finding him attractive.

kormesios wrote...
Hmm, that'll be hard for her to explain to you, former professional liar though she was.  Would you believe some line about elven 'adaptive genes'?  Or would you prefer she tried something about Morrigan and a dark ritual?

Leliana: "Orlesians mate by synchronizing their nervous systems with that of the father species. During the Union, we access our partner's genetic and ancestral memories, and pass the best traits on to the child."
Int 11 Human Noble Warrior: "... is the baby evil?"
Leliana: "No, but it is blue."
HNW:

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 février 2010 - 08:30 .

[Angel of Nessus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Leliana: "Orlesians mate by synchronizing their nervous systems with that of the father species. During the Union, we access our partner's genetic and ancestral memories, and pass the best traits on to the child."
Int 11 Human Noble Warrior: "... is the baby evil?"
Leliana: "No, but it is blue."
HNW:

This.

[DalishRanger]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Leliana: "Orlesians mate by synchronizing their nervous systems with that of the father species. During the Union, we access our partner's genetic and ancestral memories, and pass the best traits on to the child."
Int 11 Human Noble Warrior: "... is the baby evil?"
Leliana: "No, but it is blue."
HNW:

Damn it Maria. I'm lucky I live in the basement so I didn't wake everybody else in the house up with my laughing.