You got wardens and assorted soldiers as the anvil, and a flood of dark demons coming out of the forest. you sit at the head of an army set to charge in an decimate a sizeable portion of the enemy once they've been pulled into the fight....and you pull away. I never DID get explained how Loggy got away with that, short of every soldier there(or at least all the ones he ended up with back in Denerim, having 'lost' all the ones with brains and sense of decency) being a lamebrained, spineless idiot or just plain malicious/a king-hater.
You proceed to not only leave the area, letting the darkspawn slaughter your supposed friends and allies, and continued to flood into the land from wherever they come. Without soldiers in place, they will continue to flood the land until they can knock on your door over in the far north end of the map. So obviously you do -not- ride off alone to gather forces, you take them all with you, -AND- you pluck along the ones that might have stood a chance at letting people actually getting away from Lothering(and not be taken advantage of by the miscellaneous mudcrawlers of humanity).
You have an invasion, you do NOT let them have free run of the country if you can at all help it. And back then, they were still reasonably 'gathered' around a small area, and not -covering the bloody country-.
There is being blind to reason for 'fear' of invasion under a cover of aid, and there is being plain stupid.
He wants to keep Ferelden safe? Then he should have set up camp in and around Lothering, sent his messengers or gone himself to gather forces. Who could argue with sending aid to hold back darkspawn?
I am all for keeping things 'interesting' and 'exiting', but that bit from the intro has me annoyed every time. He's basically telling the darkspawn to 'come on in. At least you're not orlesians. my land is your land. Go ahead.'
Interest and exitement should never be produced to the detriment of logic and reason....unless of course one portrays the evil overlord or one of his lieutenants. L is not supposed to be either.
Thank you.
Hardly a spoiler, but....'artistic license' taken -way- too far...
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Elfseeker
, févr. 16 2010 11:56
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#2
Posté 17 février 2010 - 06:50
David Gaider
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From my perspective, Loghain suffered from the idea that only he knew what was best for Ferelden. Only he saw the truth, and had the ability to act. To him, the ends always justified the means.
When he finally saw that he had made a mistake (and he did, once the fact of a Blight became clear) he still felt he had to move forward. Who else was there to take his place? The fact that the player eventually stepped forward came as a profound relief, in a strange kind of way. Here was someone who could do what he could not, someone who had not made the mistakes he had -- someone who could safeguard Ferelden in a way that Cailan simply could not.
It might seem that Loghain seems to think very highly of himself, but that's only partially true. He never enjoyed being the hero -- or at least that's what he liked to believe. I imagine even the most reluctant hero gets used to hearing it after a while. Pride can do funny things to a person. And he was accustomed to being the person who handled everything that needed handling, doing all the things that Maric couldn't bring himself to do or never wanted to see.
And in the end, this is where Loghain was undone. He was so accustomed to fighting demons he saw them even when they weren't there. He's a general for a war that was no longer being fought, and he didn't really accept the idea that darkspawn -- a fairy tale foe -- could ever be more of a threat to Ferelden's security than Orlais. It'd be like trying to convince a Cold War-era general that Communism isn't the greatest threat facing America. To Loghain, the darkspawn were a threat that could be handled later -- the Orlesian threat had to be countered *first* -- and in his mind he was doing the wrong things for the right reasons... until they weren't any longer.
Tragic, in a way... though there's no arguing (in my mind) that Loghain dug his own grave. For me, the most fitting ending is Loghain sacrificing himself to slay the Archdemon. Though that's probably because I have an unholy love for Loghain that few others share.
When he finally saw that he had made a mistake (and he did, once the fact of a Blight became clear) he still felt he had to move forward. Who else was there to take his place? The fact that the player eventually stepped forward came as a profound relief, in a strange kind of way. Here was someone who could do what he could not, someone who had not made the mistakes he had -- someone who could safeguard Ferelden in a way that Cailan simply could not.
It might seem that Loghain seems to think very highly of himself, but that's only partially true. He never enjoyed being the hero -- or at least that's what he liked to believe. I imagine even the most reluctant hero gets used to hearing it after a while. Pride can do funny things to a person. And he was accustomed to being the person who handled everything that needed handling, doing all the things that Maric couldn't bring himself to do or never wanted to see.
And in the end, this is where Loghain was undone. He was so accustomed to fighting demons he saw them even when they weren't there. He's a general for a war that was no longer being fought, and he didn't really accept the idea that darkspawn -- a fairy tale foe -- could ever be more of a threat to Ferelden's security than Orlais. It'd be like trying to convince a Cold War-era general that Communism isn't the greatest threat facing America. To Loghain, the darkspawn were a threat that could be handled later -- the Orlesian threat had to be countered *first* -- and in his mind he was doing the wrong things for the right reasons... until they weren't any longer.
Tragic, in a way... though there's no arguing (in my mind) that Loghain dug his own grave. For me, the most fitting ending is Loghain sacrificing himself to slay the Archdemon. Though that's probably because I have an unholy love for Loghain that few others share.
#3
Posté 19 février 2010 - 04:08
David Gaider
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Err... no. The darkspawn burst up through the floor (via the ogre). Loghain did not dig a tunnel in order to flood the tower with darkspawn. You may think otherwise, but you'd be wrong.Solica wrote...
Loghain's men found the tunnels underneath, and they made the hole in the floor. The tunnel entrance is in the darkspawns way of advance (play RtO). At this point it's absolutely certain that the darkspawn will send scouting forces into the tunnel, when they come. Of course they will. There cannot be any doubt or any "That was unexpected" about that.
