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[Harcken]

What he says is semi-true, the majority of open world games have had ****** poor stories, not that that excuses FF13's somewhat low marks. As to Bioware, I like the bit of openness they include in games like ME and DA, however, I must say, I am tiring of their go do these 4 ____ things formula that seems attached to every "open world" game they produce. Need a breath of fresh air, I'm thinking (hoping?) ME3 is a little more linear (main narrative wise) compared to its predecessor (please, please, please don't be "go enlist the aid of these 4 _____).

Anyway, enough of my open world rant, and back to JRPGs. Personally, when I was around 11 or 12 years old, I was obsessed with Final Fantasy VIII and X, however, as I reached my later teens, my attention span seemed to shrink. As much as I liked what I've played of XII and X-2, I stopped around halfway through both of them, they just got too stale. Same with a couple DS remakes and the like.

[the_one_54321]

krylo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
What do people have against the metrosexuals? Not everyone wants to have overly buff muscle men in their games you know. >_>

Hey, Ryz, here's lookin' at you kid:


Everyone else: Stop making me feel bad about being born man-pretty.

Hey, we can't all be born beautiful.

[vhatever]

Ryzaki wrote...

vhatever wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

vhatever wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

I meant that the JRPGs have done everything that the WRPGs have done, and done it first. And many WRPGs qualify only as pale comparisons. Not BioWare though. BioWare does a fantastic job.

Uh, you mean everything JRPGs have done has been copied from WRPGs?

*facepalms*

Neither side copied everything from the other. That's just plain common sense. They may have used the others ideas as templates (and in some cases blantantly copied) but WRPGs didn't take all their stuff from JRPGs or vice versa.

Honestly get off of that argument its retarded.

It's not retarded, it's factual. Using someone's idea as a template is, uhh, COPYING.

....

*sighs*

So if you use information from a website to form a thesis you're copying? Really? <_< If you use the data from the website expand on it with other data from other websites and add your own ideas to make something different but still has the same basic information you've copied the website. Good to know. I somehow managed to not flunk for plagarism.

You have to properly cite someone in an academic paper. And if I started my English paper with "it was the best of times, it was the worst of times" i'm probably getting an F.

[Ryzaki]

krylo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

What do people have against the metrosexuals? Not everyone wants to have overly buff muscle men in their games you know. >_>

Hey, Ryz, here's lookin' at you kid:


Everyone else: Stop making me feel bad about being born man-pretty.

Hey Pretty boys are win! And he's really cute. His nose could be a bit smaller but still. <3

[krylo]

Garuda One wrote...



Found a picture of Ryz
[snip]

S'okay.

I got 2/3rds a bottle of 151 on my desk right now.

I'm sure I can make that look good.

Modifié par krylo, 17 février 2010 - 03:07 .

[Ryzaki]

vhatever wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

vhatever wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

vhatever wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

I meant that the JRPGs have done everything that the WRPGs have done, and done it first. And many WRPGs qualify only as pale comparisons. Not BioWare though. BioWare does a fantastic job.

Uh, you mean everything JRPGs have done has been copied from WRPGs?

*facepalms*

Neither side copied everything from the other. That's just plain common sense. They may have used the others ideas as templates (and in some cases blantantly copied) but WRPGs didn't take all their stuff from JRPGs or vice versa.

Honestly get off of that argument its retarded.

It's not retarded, it's factual. Using someone's idea as a template is, uhh, COPYING.

....

*sighs*

So if you use information from a website to form a thesis you're copying? Really? <_< If you use the data from the website expand on it with other data from other websites and add your own ideas to make something different but still has the same basic information you've copied the website. Good to know. I somehow managed to not flunk for plagarism.

You have to properly cite someone in an academic paper. And if I started my English paper with "it was the best of times, it was the worst of times" i'm probably getting an F.

Right because citing someone as a reference and citing a direct quote are the same exact thing?

You write a paper quote the whole thing and turn that in and see how that goes.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 février 2010 - 03:08 .

[newcomplex]

the_one_54321 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
Everyone except 6.     Haven't played ones before 5.    Nor have I extensively played the very recent ones except X.

If you really think that FFVII or FFX had no depth, I don't really know what to say. I'd understand if you just didn't like them. But saying their stories lacked depth is a whole new level of inaccurate.

Alright, give me examples of "depth" in FFX.   I'd like to hear.   

This ought to be good.

I'll give FF7 credits for pioneering good polygonal cinametography I guess.    Still thougth the characters and game world was stupid.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 17 février 2010 - 03:12 .

[krylo]

Ryzaki wrote...
Hey Pretty boys are win! And he's really cute. His nose could be a bit smaller but still. <3

I'm self-conscious about my nose.

[Chrono Mizaki]

newcomplex wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
Everyone except 6.     Haven't played ones before 5.    Nor have I extensively played the very recent ones except X.

If you really think that FFVII or FFX had no depth, I don't really know what to say. I'd understand if you just didn't like them. But saying their stories lacked depth is a whole new level of inaccurate.

Alright, give me examples of "depth" in FFX.   I'd like to hear.   

Final Fantasy X have depth?

Sorry, but I ignored the story when Tidus ruined it for me.

[Ryzaki]

krylo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Hey Pretty boys are win! And he's really cute. His nose could be a bit smaller but still. <3

I'm self-conscious about my nose.

Soooryyy. *huggles* Its still a cute nose.

If a bit big.

[the_one_54321]

krylo wrote...
The only difference between the two methods of story telling isn't in how deep the STORY is but in how deep the CHARACTERIZATION is.  In JRPGs one can get a much deeper characterization for their main character, because in WRPGs there is no characterization for the main character past what the player adds.  On the other hand, the ability for the player to act upon and react to the various other characters in the game in multiple and often wildly divergent ways allows for all other characters to gain a greater depth of characterization.

Yes, this is about what I was trying to get at, thank you.

[krylo]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Final Fantasy X have depth?

Sorry, but I ignored the story when Tidus ruined it for me.

It's a sacrifice story.

It has depth in the layered sacrifices, in that Yuna sets off to kill herself, Tidus falls in love, finds out about why she set off, struggles against the idea, but then finds out that to save her he himself must die and willingly sacrifices HIMSELF.

Then they pull a cop out and he doesn't die which is retarded.

[the_one_54321]

newcomplex wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
Everyone except 6.     Haven't played ones before 5.    Nor have I extensively played the very recent ones except X.

If you really think that FFVII or FFX had no depth, I don't really know what to say. I'd understand if you just didn't like them. But saying their stories lacked depth is a whole new level of inaccurate.

Alright, give me examples of "depth" in FFX.   I'd like to hear.

SPOILER

The whole story of the "spiral of existence" and the main characters eventual choice to break out of that spiral, at the cost of his own happiness.

[Harcken]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

I love how OP implies that Bethesda has made an RPG since Morrowind.

Typical ignorant comment regarding RPGs.  I bet you complain that ME2 isn't an RPG too.

Role
Playing
Game

Do you role play in Oblivion and Fallout 3?  Yes, yes you do.  A lot.

Honestly, it's not that simple. If we're going by that definition, Zelda is an RPG, Halo is an RPG, Uncharted is an RPG, hell COD is an RPG; virtually every game thrusts you into the role of a specific character as events unfold around you. While it's also not as complex as some make it out to be, definining an RPG just isn't that simple. To me an RPG is a game that lasts me a minimum of 15 hours, contains dialogue, branching story paths, and customization. To someone else an RPG may just be an adventure, to others simply customization, to others puzzles and dialogue, to each his own.

[Chrono Mizaki]

krylo wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Final Fantasy X have depth?

Sorry, but I ignored the story when Tidus ruined it for me.

It's a sacrifice story.

It has depth in the layered sacrifices, in that Yuna sets off to kill herself, Tidus falls in love, finds out about why she set off, struggles against the idea, but then finds out that to save her he himself must die and willingly sacrifices HIMSELF.

Then they pull a cop out and he doesn't die which is retarded.

Oh, I know the story. I pretty much blocked it out because it was badly-executed and bad voice acting didn't help it at all.

[Chrono Mizaki]

krylo wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Final Fantasy X have depth?

Sorry, but I ignored the story when Tidus ruined it for me.

It's a sacrifice story.

It has depth in the layered sacrifices, in that Yuna sets off to kill herself, Tidus falls in love, finds out about why she set off, struggles against the idea, but then finds out that to save her he himself must die and willingly sacrifices HIMSELF.

Then they pull a cop out and he doesn't die which is retarded.

Oh, I know the story. I pretty much blocked it out because it was badly-executed and bad voice acting didn't help it at all.

[Ryzaki]

krylo wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Final Fantasy X have depth?

Sorry, but I ignored the story when Tidus ruined it for me.

It's a sacrifice story.

It has depth in the layered sacrifices, in that Yuna sets off to kill herself, Tidus falls in love, finds out about why she set off, struggles against the idea, but then finds out that to save her he himself must die and willingly sacrifices HIMSELF.

Then they pull a cop out and he doesn't die which is retarded.

That pissed me off. <_< God I hate X-2. I'm still pretending that cesspool doesn't exist. At least Persona 3 had the nads to keep the MC dead. Even if they later retconned Shinji's and that red hair girl (...I forgot her name damnit) deaths.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 février 2010 - 03:13 .

[the_one_54321]

Ryzaki wrote...

krylo wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Final Fantasy X have depth?

Sorry, but I ignored the story when Tidus ruined it for me.

It's a sacrifice story.

It has depth in the layered sacrifices, in that Yuna sets off to kill herself, Tidus falls in love, finds out about why she set off, struggles against the idea, but then finds out that to save her he himself must die and willingly sacrifices HIMSELF.

Then they pull a cop out and he doesn't die which is retarded.

That pissed me off. <_< God I hate X-2. I'm still pretending that cesspool doesn't exist. At least Persona 3 had the nads to keep the MC dead.

That was actually  the only thing I liked about FFX-2. I wanted so bad for them to have a happy ending.

[the_one_54321]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Oh, I know the story. I pretty much blocked it out because it was badly-executed and bad voice acting didn't help it at all.

You know, itt was one of the first games that was ever VOed. You have to give them credit for accomplishing as much as they did.

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

krylo wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Final Fantasy X have depth?

Sorry, but I ignored the story when Tidus ruined it for me.

It's a sacrifice story.

It has depth in the layered sacrifices, in that Yuna sets off to kill herself, Tidus falls in love, finds out about why she set off, struggles against the idea, but then finds out that to save her he himself must die and willingly sacrifices HIMSELF.

Then they pull a cop out and he doesn't die which is retarded.

That pissed me off. <_< God I hate X-2. I'm still pretending that cesspool doesn't exist. At least Persona 3 had the nads to keep the MC dead.

That was actually  the only thing I liked about FFX-2. I wanted so bad for them to have a happy ending.

No. That killed the whole story for me.

Persona 3 though. Saving Shinji as FeMc was beautiful (and getting his ending) He with her when she dies and its HEARTBREAKING.

Edit: Creepy laugh is creepy.

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh god that made me turn of my PS2.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 février 2010 - 03:15 .

[rumination888]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Bioware's co-founder talking smack about jRPGs back in December.
Seems like the director of FF13 is just throwing it back in Bioware's face.

I guess this is why I don't really care what the director of FF13 says about wRPGs, since Bioware's co-founder instigated it.

[the_one_54321]

rumination888 wrote...
I'm surprised no one mentioned Bioware's co-founder talking smack about jRPGs back in December.
Seems like the director of FF13 is just throwing it back in Bioware's face.

I guess this is why I don't really care what the director of FF13 says about wRPGs, since Bioware's co-founder instigated it.

Yes!

Not to mention that Ray has said a lot of the same things in defense of ME2. It being a game with a predefined protagonist and not having as many options and so on and so forth.

[Chrono Mizaki]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

My annotations are in itallics.

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Btw guys, what's "weaboo" referring to?

If it's a person, then it's me. If it's a definition: Someone who's likely to kamikaze themselves in the name of Japan.

OK, lemme get this straight

Oh, I'm going to love this. Let's see what you come up with!

Yes, lets.

First you say

Congratulations, you've come to a satisfactory conclusion, I am indeed a weeaboo.  Sugoii

I was being sarcastic there. The 'sugoii' bit is actually obvious sarcasm.

Yes, obvious sarcasm, at least it would be, if the obvious sarcasm would be obvious to anyone but a weeaboo. Seriously.

Followed by 

You assume I was a 'weeaboo' , and frankly that makes you the fool as well

I was stating that you were accusing me, which me to accuse you of assuming that.

You're still a fool, your own words.

Then come full circle with, in response to "what is a weeaboo"

If it's a person, then it's me.

Actually, that sentenced left out a lot of content and it was so ambigious. I was meant to say "If it's a person that's directed at, it's me as I'm apparently accused".

Ambiguity is only funny to weeaboos. Also, what kind of fail logic is this?
How can you possibly assume anybody but yourself is going to think that way?

I was right about you from the start, now who's the fool.

Still you.

NO U.

And this is why we can't have nice things.

*facepalm*

Thank you for correcting my mistakes, which I wasn't too bothered since it's 3:15am in the morning for me to care about spellings. Be glad I don't speak in txt spk.

Also, for one to accuse me of being a weeaboo, you need to understand what makes me a weeaboo. Let's see, have I actually obsessed myself with Japan? Have I slagged off other countries to make Japan look better?