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[CorruptedL]

Lame on his part. JRPGs are so boring and cliche, linear RPGS aren't that great.

[Bryy_Miller]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

I love how OP implies that Bethesda has made an RPG since Morrowind.

Typical ignorant comment regarding RPGs.  I bet you complain that ME2 isn't an RPG too.

Role
Playing
Game

Do you role play in Oblivion and Fallout 3?  Yes, yes you do.  A lot.

Hey, uh, I think he was employing sarcasm.

[JamieCOTC]

No dog in this fight as I never played Final Fantasy, but a friend of mine told me that the criticism of FF is that it was a movie w/ a little bit of game play. Is that a fair statement for those who have played?



(not much into the Manga/Anime stuff either, though I have a healthy respect for some of it)

[Bryy_Miller]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's not that their style is any level invalid, it's that they refuse to compromise to a Western audience.

Not every game has to cater to a 'western audience' or my definition: 'the American Audience'.

I was merely pointing out that if he wants to complain about his JRPG not working out in the Western World, then he at least should take into consideration the factors.

[Chrono Mizaki]

JamieCOTC wrote...

No dog in this fight as I never played Final Fantasy, but a friend of mine told me that the criticism of FF is that it was a movie w/ a little bit of game play. Is that a fair statement for those who have played?

Hardly. Previous Final Fantasy games were more travelling, towns, talking to folks, fighting and 'cutscenes' [or speech bubbles before FFX]. With that criticism, he was more right on the mark about FFXIII, which isn't released in the west and therefore, I'll write that criticism off as 'trolling'.

[ReDSH1FT]

SpideyKnight wrote...

I prefer character driven stories actually, as I believe them to be a more personal and far less obtuse and overdone affair. That doesn't make what he says all that incorrect. Leading the player by the hand, like a good book, is an easier way to tell a compelling story. Dropping them into a world and telling them to run amok has it's share of cons, and let's not kid ourselves and say that ME2's 4 story missions are somehow the essence of a deep and involving narrative.

I'm not understanding what you mean here.  On one hand, you praise character driven story, which is what ME2 is all about, but then you say that ME2 doesn't have a deep and involving narrative.  And then you say you prefer to have someone holding your hand through a story, saying that dropping into an open world to run amok is bad.

What are you saying here?

[Ryzaki]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's not that their style is any level invalid, it's that they refuse to compromise to a Western audience.

Not every game has to cater to a 'western audience' or my definition: 'the American Audience'.

I was merely pointing out that if he wants to complain about his JRPG not working out in the Western World, then he at least should take into consideration the factors.

Truth. Its like a WRPG developer complaining about how their games don't sell well in certain places.

Like duh. Shouldn't you be concentrating on your audience instead of complaining about the one that you're not aiming for? 

[Jonas TM]

Grand_Commander13 wrote...

We've made significant inroads against the weeaboos in all theatres; the war goes well.

Made me laugh pretty hard, I approve

Anyway, I was really excited about FF13 for one reason only, its wasn't a Sony exclusive anymore.  Not that I'll play it but sticking that in Sony's craw is worth a lot to me (paid in PS3 fanboy tears of course).  That being said I think most jRPGs are not designed with us in mind and thus don't appeal to us.  They have their formula, but FF and it's numerous clones have been been stagnant and going down hill for years now so I'm really not surpised this guy has a bug up his skirt about getting a lower score than ME1 and 2.

Modifié par Jonas TM, 17 février 2010 - 01:19 .

[ReDSH1FT]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

I love how OP implies that Bethesda has made an RPG since Morrowind.

Typical ignorant comment regarding RPGs.  I bet you complain that ME2 isn't an RPG too.

Role
Playing
Game

Do you role play in Oblivion and Fallout 3?  Yes, yes you do.  A lot.

Hey, uh, I think he was employing sarcasm.

I don't think he was

[Bryy_Miller]

When I hear crap like this from higher-ups, I fear for the future of this industry.

[Chrono Mizaki]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's not that their style is any level invalid, it's that they refuse to compromise to a Western audience.

Not every game has to cater to a 'western audience' or my definition: 'the American Audience'.

I was merely pointing out that if he wants to complain about his JRPG not working out in the Western World, then he at least should take into consideration the factors.

For a game to work in the 'western world' aka America, the game has to be centered around 'America'... or Fantasy Mythology. If FFXIII have Space Bald Marines and was set in a flying Island in America.

The reviewers will still slag it off however, saying it reminds them of Turok, but it's the sales that matter.

Modifié par Chrono Mizaki, 17 février 2010 - 01:17 .

[michath1]

ok so we all agree that everything that bioware touches turns to gold, but can we say the same with square.  the last ff i enjoyed playing was ffVII and unless there next annoucement or commit is we are updating and re-releasing ffVII i could care less besides when was the last time in FF that you didnt want your main character to commit hairycarrie and get over the lame storyline and romatics. maybe they should take notes from bioware

[JamieCOTC]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

No dog in this fight as I never played Final Fantasy, but a friend of mine told me that the criticism of FF is that it was a movie w/ a little bit of game play. Is that a fair statement for those who have played?

Hardly. Previous Final Fantasy games were more travelling, towns, talking to folks, fighting and 'cutscenes' [or speech bubbles before FFX]. With that criticism, he was more right on the mark about FFXIII, which isn't released in the west and therefore, I'll write that criticism off as 'trolling'.

Thanks.  I can tell my friend he was wrong and maybe he'll want to play the game. 

[petipas1414]

Maybe I'm just saying this because KOTOR was my first RPG love...



but as before mentioned, linear RPGs are borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrringgggggggg.



I tried to play FF3 and 4 on my DS and hated it. Sorry Cecil.

[ReDSH1FT]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's not that their style is any level invalid, it's that they refuse to compromise to a Western audience.

Not every game has to cater to a 'western audience' or my definition: 'the American Audience'.

I was merely pointing out that if he wants to complain about his JRPG not working out in the Western World, then he at least should take into consideration the factors.

For a game to work in the 'western world' aka America, the game has to be centered around 'America'... or Fantasy Mythology. If FFXIII have Space Bald Marines and was set in a flying Island in America.

The reviewers will still slag it off however, saying it reminds them of Turok, but it's the sales that matter.

Hmm, a person by the name of "Chrono Mizaki" criticizing America and putting Japan in an ivory tower.  Weeaboo?

Way to group our country's history and myths into a generalized statement by the way.  Space Bald Marines set in a flying island in America?

The great thing bout our country is that we're a mix of a ton of cultures, each with their own myths.  Wouldn't expect a Narutard to understand though.

[Chrono Mizaki]

michath1 wrote...

ok so we all agree that everything that bioware touches turns to gold

I don't agree. Bioware makes some good games and I love Mass Effect as well as Knights of the Old Republic. But Bioware have made some pretty **** games in the past.

[FlashedMyDrive]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

michath1 wrote...

ok so we all agree that everything that bioware touches turns to gold

I don't agree. Bioware makes some good games and I love Mass Effect as well as Knights of the Old Republic. But Bioware have made some pretty **** games in the past.

Yea, Mass Effect 2 sucked.

[the_one_54321]

When the sales of FFXIII blow DA:O out of the water we'll see who's afraid of who.



I love BioWare, but they only wish they could be as massively successful a developer as Square.

[ReDSH1FT]

the_one_54321 wrote...

When the sales of FFXIII blow DA:O out of the water we'll see who's afraid of who.

I love BioWare, but they only wish they could be as massively successful a developer as Square.

*pumps shotgun* 

You lost, boy?

[the_one_54321]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

When the sales of FFXIII blow DA:O out of the water we'll see who's afraid of who.

I love BioWare, but they only wish they could be as massively successful a developer as Square.

*pumps shotgun* 

You lost, boy?

How many games has BioWare had that have been succesful on the level of ME and DA:O?

Now how many Final Fantasy games have been made? How many of those weren't as succesful as DA:O?

[Marilynn-22]

wow instead of complaining about other gaming companys, the Jrpg companys should learn from the western rpg companys on what makes a GREAT game and use it, instead they keep creating the same crap over and over again :/

Modifié par Marilynn-22, 17 février 2010 - 01:26 .

[Jonas TM]

Turn based is so last century, which is why most of us can't stomach jRPGs. It's to damned boring IMO, I like having more control over my character than simply assigning skills to be queued.

[Squallypo]

i really dont like persona games =/

[Jonas TM]

Marilynn-22 wrote...

wow instead of complaining about other gaming companys, the Jrpg companys should learn from the western rpg companys on what makes a GREAT game and use it, instead they keep creating the same crap over and over again :/

This pretty much strikes the nail on the head IMO.  jRPGs are stagnant because they havn't changed their formula in what?  At least 5 years if not closer to a decade.  wRPGs are constantly switching up their forumula/gameplay/stories and while we may not like them all, at least we have a lot to chose from.

[rabbitchannel]

javierabegazo wrote...

Oh fantastic, another "What is an RPG" person.... To that, I pit David Gaider's Comment from yesterday

 

Brilliant reply!

On topic:
I'd like to think DA:O and ME 2 destroyed their sales. d: