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[ReDSH1FT]

Zavox wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Zavox wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...
You say Square has 20 hits?
Can you list their "hits?"
Go ahead, I'll wait

FF 1-12. (none of them did poorly)
Kingdom Hearts 1&2
Star Ocean 1-7

That's already over 20, and I didn't get all of the Final Fantasy's or any of the re-releases.

Got to love you saying copy-paste is bad just a while ago, and now showing us FF1-12 as 12 hits... just lovely. Especially the part where you go on about re-releases. Do they actually have as much original IP hits as Bioware?

If you want Original IP, then I'll list them

Final Fantasy
Dragon Quest
Xenosaga
Kingdom Hearts
Star Ocean
Chrono Series
Musharhi [SP?] [Might check that one for spellings]
Parasite Eve [More like a borrowed IP, since it's based on the books]
The Worlds Ends With You
Sigma Harmonics [japan Only]
Mana Series

Quite a lot of original IPs. And there's more. The problem however? They are largely ignored in favour of the big three [Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts]

Read my sentence again, I said hit. Largely ignored is quite a synonyme for me as not being a hit.

I'm gonna agree.  Of those original IPs, none have garnered as much praise as BioWare's hits.  I haven't even HEARD of like half of those things he listed.  That's a pretty big issue.  If I haven't even heard of em, how can they be that HUGE?

[the_one_54321]

Garuda One wrote...
Isn't so Kawaii!?

Square is a Japanese company. That is the only way in which this is related to japan.

Read my sig.

[Zavox]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I meant that the JRPGs have done everything that the WRPGs have done, and done it first. And many WRPGs qualify only as pale comparisons. Not BioWare though. BioWare does a fantastic job.

Right, regardless of how you're going to call it, you're telling us by doing something first it's good/better or whatever you want to call it. Otherwise you wouldn't of had to say it in this discussion. Thus 'copying' is worse than doing it first.

[Memset]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Mokinokaro wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

OK anyway, my original point stands, Japan needs to up its game to compare with BioWare.

They already have:  Persona 3 and 4 are amazing games and very different from what most folks would call a normal JRPG.   There's a lot more out there than just Final Fantasy.

This. The Shin Megami Tensei Franchise is more than your 'average' JRPG imo.

I can appreciate what they tried to do with the social interactions in Persona 3, but that horrible "randomly generated" tower was just awful. There were only a few locations to walk around in the town too, the game just felt very repetitive.

[the_one_54321]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
 I haven't even HEARD of like half of those things he listed.  That's a pretty big issue.  If I haven't even heard of em, how can they be that HUGE?

Maybe because it's not your area of gaming? Most of them were pretty huge, whether or not you were paying any attention to them.

[the_one_54321]

Zavox wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
I meant that the JRPGs have done everything that the WRPGs have done, and done it first. And many WRPGs qualify only as pale comparisons. Not BioWare though. BioWare does a fantastic job.

Right, regardless of how you're going to call it, you're telling us by doing something first it's good/better or whatever you want to call it. Otherwise you wouldn't of had to say it in this discussion. Thus 'copying' is worse than doing it first.

What's your point exactly? Most of those series were still all original IPs. With the FFs being brand new IPs in every new installment.

[Grand_Commander13]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Did someone say "weeaboo"?
'Cause I think I heard someone say "weeaboo".

*Pulls out a cricket bat.*

Didn't I say that if we wasted any more time on Weeaboo that we wouldn't be able to show the weeaboos who's boss?  Priorities, man!

[ReDSH1FT]

the_one_54321 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...
 I haven't even HEARD of like half of those things he listed.  That's a pretty big issue.  If I haven't even heard of em, how can they be that HUGE?

Maybe because it's not your area of gaming? Most of them were pretty huge, whether or not you were paying any attention to them.

Right, when I talk about a game being a hit, I refer to a really high average of review scores, a fat amount of sales, and some great ingenuity.

Gonna have to cross out most of the games on that list of yours.

[Zavox]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Zavox wrote...

If you want Original IP, then I'll list them

Final Fantasy
Dragon Quest
Xenosaga
Kingdom Hearts
Star Ocean
Chrono Series
Musharhi [SP?] [Might check that one for spellings]
Parasite Eve [More like a borrowed IP, since it's based on the books]
The Worlds Ends With You
Sigma Harmonics [japan Only]
Mana Series

Quite a lot of original IPs. And there's more. The problem however? They are largely ignored in favour of the big three [Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts]

Read my sentence again, I said hit. Largely ignored is quite a synonyme for me as not being a hit.

Are you nuts?! Most of those games were massive hits! Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they didn't do extremely well.

Then why did he list it as largely ignored to the other three? Tells me those other three were more of a hit in the world than those others listed. You can't say so much for Bioware, pretty much every release has got the same response.

[Ryzaki]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Zavox wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...
You say Square has 20 hits?
Can you list their "hits?"
Go ahead, I'll wait

FF 1-12. (none of them did poorly)
Kingdom Hearts 1&2
Star Ocean 1-7

That's already over 20, and I didn't get all of the Final Fantasy's or any of the re-releases.

Got to love you saying copy-paste is bad just a while ago, and now showing us FF1-12 as 12 hits... just lovely. Especially the part where you go on about re-releases. Do they actually have as much original IP hits as Bioware?

If you want Original IP, then I'll list them

Final Fantasy
Dragon Quest
Xenosaga
Kingdom Hearts
Star Ocean
Chrono Series
Musharhi [SP?] [Might check that one for spellings]
Parasite Eve [More like a borrowed IP, since it's based on the books]
The Worlds Ends With You
Sigma Harmonics [japan Only]
Mana Series

Quite a lot of original IPs. And there's more. The problem however? They are largely ignored in favour of the big three [Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts]

Read my sentence again, I said hit. Largely ignored is quite a synonyme for me as not being a hit.

I'm gonna agree.  Of those original IPs, none have garnered as much praise as BioWare's hits.  I haven't even HEARD of like half of those things he listed.  That's a pretty big issue.  If I haven't even heard of em, how can they be that HUGE?

You've never heard of which ones? Mana is extremely popular as is KH (if you haven't heard of KH you're either dead or living under a rock) Dragon Quest as well, Xenosaga was also a big deal (not as good as Xenogears but still).


Besides I hadn't heard of KOTOR until 2 years ago. Does that mean it wasn't popular then? 

Also: BioWare had Sonic so don't even say every game of there was gold.

Also: Some studios have pet projects. Obviously other game series will be ignored/given less attention then them.

Obvious statement is obvious.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 février 2010 - 02:22 .

[the_one_54321]

You all really need to get your facts straight.



Square has put out massive success after massive success after massive success for decades. This is not an exaggeration, this is what has happened since 1980.



BioWare is fantastic, but they are nowhere near being on this level of success, yet.

[Chrono Mizaki]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Zavox wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...
You say Square has 20 hits?
Can you list their "hits?"
Go ahead, I'll wait

FF 1-12. (none of them did poorly)
Kingdom Hearts 1&2
Star Ocean 1-7

That's already over 20, and I didn't get all of the Final Fantasy's or any of the re-releases.

Got to love you saying copy-paste is bad just a while ago, and now showing us FF1-12 as 12 hits... just lovely. Especially the part where you go on about re-releases. Do they actually have as much original IP hits as Bioware?

If you want Original IP, then I'll list them

Final Fantasy
Dragon Quest
Xenosaga
Kingdom Hearts
Star Ocean
Chrono Series
Musharhi [SP?] [Might check that one for spellings]
Parasite Eve [More like a borrowed IP, since it's based on the books]
The Worlds Ends With You
Sigma Harmonics [japan Only]
Mana Series

Quite a lot of original IPs. And there's more. The problem however? They are largely ignored in favour of the big three [Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts]

Read my sentence again, I said hit. Largely ignored is quite a synonyme for me as not being a hit.

I'm gonna agree.  Of those original IPs, none have garnered as much praise as BioWare's hits.  I haven't even HEARD of like half of those things he listed.  That's a pretty big issue.  If I haven't even heard of em, how can they be that HUGE?

I listed them on mistake that he wanted original IPs. Left out the 'hit' bit.

They all sold quite a fare lot and were 'hits' for its time. Most of these franchise were in the 90s after all.

[the_one_54321]

Zavox wrote...
Then why did he list it as largely ignored to the other three? Tells me those other three were more of a hit in the world than those others listed. You can't say so much for Bioware, pretty much every release has got the same response.

He meant that people like you just pretend they didn't happen in favor of a few of the more well known titles. (they did happen, btw, which was his point)

[Garuda One]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Garuda One wrote...
Isn't so Kawaii!?

Square is a Japanese company. That is the only way in which this is related to japan.

Read my sig.

LOL WUT?

Modifié par Garuda One, 17 février 2010 - 02:23 .

[Chrono Mizaki]

Ryzaki wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Zavox wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...
You say Square has 20 hits?
Can you list their "hits?"
Go ahead, I'll wait

FF 1-12. (none of them did poorly)
Kingdom Hearts 1&2
Star Ocean 1-7

That's already over 20, and I didn't get all of the Final Fantasy's or any of the re-releases.

Got to love you saying copy-paste is bad just a while ago, and now showing us FF1-12 as 12 hits... just lovely. Especially the part where you go on about re-releases. Do they actually have as much original IP hits as Bioware?

If you want Original IP, then I'll list them

Final Fantasy
Dragon Quest
Xenosaga
Kingdom Hearts
Star Ocean
Chrono Series
Musharhi [SP?] [Might check that one for spellings]
Parasite Eve [More like a borrowed IP, since it's based on the books]
The Worlds Ends With You
Sigma Harmonics [japan Only]
Mana Series

Quite a lot of original IPs. And there's more. The problem however? They are largely ignored in favour of the big three [Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts]

Read my sentence again, I said hit. Largely ignored is quite a synonyme for me as not being a hit.

I'm gonna agree.  Of those original IPs, none have garnered as much praise as BioWare's hits.  I haven't even HEARD of like half of those things he listed.  That's a pretty big issue.  If I haven't even heard of em, how can they be that HUGE?

You've never heard of which ones? Mana is extremely popular as is KH (if you haven't heard of KH you're either dead or living under a rock) Dragon Quest as well, Xenosaga was also a big deal (not as good as Xenogears but still).

Xenosaga... What? ****, That was suppose to be Xenogears. Xenosaga is published by Namco.

[Ryzaki]

Garuda One wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Garuda One wrote...
Isn't so Kawaii!?

Square is a Japanese company. That is the only way in which this is related to japan.

Read my sig.

LOL WUT?

[/IMG]

That guy is really cute. Could use longer hair though. And less gel.

[Ryzaki]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Zavox wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...
You say Square has 20 hits?
Can you list their "hits?"
Go ahead, I'll wait

FF 1-12. (none of them did poorly)
Kingdom Hearts 1&2
Star Ocean 1-7

That's already over 20, and I didn't get all of the Final Fantasy's or any of the re-releases.

Got to love you saying copy-paste is bad just a while ago, and now showing us FF1-12 as 12 hits... just lovely. Especially the part where you go on about re-releases. Do they actually have as much original IP hits as Bioware?

If you want Original IP, then I'll list them

Final Fantasy
Dragon Quest
Xenosaga
Kingdom Hearts
Star Ocean
Chrono Series
Musharhi [SP?] [Might check that one for spellings]
Parasite Eve [More like a borrowed IP, since it's based on the books]
The Worlds Ends With You
Sigma Harmonics [japan Only]
Mana Series

Quite a lot of original IPs. And there's more. The problem however? They are largely ignored in favour of the big three [Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts]

Read my sentence again, I said hit. Largely ignored is quite a synonyme for me as not being a hit.

I'm gonna agree.  Of those original IPs, none have garnered as much praise as BioWare's hits.  I haven't even HEARD of like half of those things he listed.  That's a pretty big issue.  If I haven't even heard of em, how can they be that HUGE?

You've never heard of which ones? Mana is extremely popular as is KH (if you haven't heard of KH you're either dead or living under a rock) Dragon Quest as well, Xenosaga was also a big deal (not as good as Xenogears but still).

Xenosaga... What? ****, That was suppose to be Xenogears. Xenosaga is published by Namco.

Yeah I was wondering about that one.  

Xenogears = win.

I need to get that on my PSP. But the game is huge. I need to buy a new memory stick.

[Kreid]

FFVII was the very first "story driven" game I ever played and THE game that really got me into gaming, also I've been a big fan of JRPGS and played many, many of them from Xenogears, FF, KH, Wild Arms, Suikoden, Ar Tonelico, Tales of series, Shin Megami Tensei etc, and year after year I've been losing hope about them, complacency is an undestanding in the JRPG genre to say at least, Shin Megami Tensei, specially Persona are the only series now that deliver in quality in the RPG japanese market and still so they are IMO very, very far behind of Mass Effect

[the_one_54321]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Xenosaga... What? ****, That was suppose to be Xenogears. Xenosaga is published by Namco.

Oh, yeah, you're right about that. I always just kind of lump them together in my head.

[Vamphuntr]

It seems he is making up poor excuses as to why FF13 is getting poor reviews. First it was that towns are hard to do in HD (Hello Assassin's Creed, Fallout 3, ME 1/2, Dragon Age) now it's making a good story in an open world game is difficult.

It's all a question of tastes though. In JRPG the plot is generally centered around characters while in WRPG it's centered on your actions. Japanese players would probably laugh at Bioware games and prefer Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy to it.

Modifié par Vamphuntr, 17 février 2010 - 02:27 .

[javierabegazo]

I saw Xenogears mentioned, Just wanted to say, Xenogears was an incredible, exceptional game, one that, despite having part of it's budget taken away for FF8, still turned out to be an incredibly engrossing game, with a driving narrative that few games have achieved

[Kaiser Shepard]

How many Squenix games would you consider to be modern classics?

How many BioWare games would you consider to be modern classics?



I rest my case. Square had quite a few excellent games during the SNES era, but the mighty have fallen long ago.

[Zavox]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Zavox wrote...
Then why did he list it as largely ignored to the other three? Tells me those other three were more of a hit in the world than those others listed. You can't say so much for Bioware, pretty much every release has got the same response.

He meant that people like you just pretend they didn't happen in favor of a few of the more well known titles. (they did happen, btw, which was his point)

Thanks for having such a good read of my gaming history, though I can tell you I've played most of the games he listed. Can't say all of them were such hits though, same goes for some FF games. It's not all about selling, it's also about ratings, originality, etc.

[Lord Atlia]

Early role play was things like historical reenactment and improv acting. Gygax and Arneson applied that to table top war games and made dungeons and dragons. The role play part was all the acting you did while playing D&D and the game part was your stats. Bioware and Bethesda are trying revolutionary ways to experiment with the game part of RPGs by applying different styles of game play to the role playing. Mean while many JRPGs are keeping the traditional game mechanics while removing the role playing part. A large criticism I've heard about FFXIII is that it is as linear as a book. The last FF I played in full was FFX which was also very linear in story, you could do all the missions and collect hidden summons but it really had no bearing on the games story. I gave up JRPGs for the most part (excluding gems like Demon's Souls) for that reason and because when combined with anime they have so many high school themes in them that I feel like I'm going through high school all over again and I was done with high school 7 years ago.

[ReDSH1FT]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Xenosaga... What? ****, That was suppose to be Xenogears. Xenosaga is published by Namco.

Oh, yeah, you're right about that. I always just kind of lump them together in my head.

See?  You people can't even get your own "hits" straight.

I know the difference between NWN and ME.

Just more evidence that JRPGs are all the same.  Even their hardcore fans confuse which game is which.

BOOM.