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[Bann Duncan]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's not that their style is any level invalid, it's that they refuse to compromise to a Western audience.

Not every game has to cater to a 'western audience' or my definition: 'the American Audience'.

I was merely pointing out that if he wants to complain about his JRPG not working out in the Western World, then he at least should take into consideration the factors.

For a game to work in the 'western world' aka America, the game has to be centered around 'America'... or Fantasy Mythology. If FFXIII have Space Bald Marines and was set in a flying Island in America.

The reviewers will still slag it off however, saying it reminds them of Turok, but it's the sales that matter.

Yes Jade Empire was centred around American marines. Oh wait - it wasn't.

[Ryzaki]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

How many Squenix games would you consider to be modern classics?
How many BioWare games would you consider to be modern classics?

I rest my case. Square had quite a few excellent games during the SNES era, but the mighty have fallen long ago.

Truth. And one day this too will happen to BioWare. Tis not a new thing. >_>

I just want Atlus to step their bloody game up and release Persona 5 damnit. I'm getting sick of waiting for them to announce it. Hurry up and give me a female protagonist again!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 février 2010 - 02:30 .

[the_one_54321]

Zavox wrote...
 It's not all about selling, it's also about ratings, originality, etc.

Thirteen different worlds. That's how many confirmed individual original IPs there are in the FF franchise. And that's just one Square franchise.

[the_one_54321]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
See?  You people can't even get your own "hits" straight.

I know the difference between NWN and ME.

Just more evidence that JRPGs are all the same.  Even their hardcore fans confuse which game is which.

BOOM.

You really have no idea what you're talking about. I wish you'd realize that.

[ReDSH1FT]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Zavox wrote...
 It's not all about selling, it's also about ratings, originality, etc.

Thirteen different worlds. That's how many confirmed individual original IPs there are in the FF franchise. And that's just one Square franchise.

And of those 13 different worlds, 9 were awful.

BioWare has not failed yet.  Every single one they created has been hugely engrossing.  Codex helps a bunch in the immersion too.

[krylo]

Man, you could cut the ethnocentrism and ridiculous ego on both sides of this thread with a knife.



Is it really that impossible for people to act like something resembling adults when someone mentions Japan on these forums? Really?

[Ryzaki]

...Guys you really shouldn't be bringing up originality if you're comparing Squareenix to BioWare. They both have their long loved cliches lets be honest. BioWare just has less of them and makes the story more interesting each time while Squareenix (With FF anyways) seems to get more and more boring. [Probably because BioWare listens to critics while Square ignores them].

BioWare cliche chart anyone? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 février 2010 - 02:33 .

[Zavox]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Zavox wrote...
 It's not all about selling, it's also about ratings, originality, etc.

Thirteen different worlds. That's how many confirmed individual original IPs there are in the FF franchise. And that's just one Square franchise.

Wait? What? That's almost completely ignoring my previous comment...
Plus I already told you, IPs was a poor choice of words. In essence ME2 is also an original IP. Oh and you also get to visit different worlds in ME2 (that was a joke).

[Frotality]

i think its alot harder to tell a compelling story when your franchise's sequels have gone into the double digits.

i liked the FF series up until 9, when i thought "okay, now this sh** is getting ridiculous, move on damnit". seriously, japan recycles manga and everything media like every month, id hardly expect dragging on a series like square has to have sold as well as they have in their homeland.

[Chrono Mizaki]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Xenosaga... What? ****, That was suppose to be Xenogears. Xenosaga is published by Namco.

Oh, yeah, you're right about that. I always just kind of lump them together in my head.

See?  You people can't even get your own "hits" straight.

I know the difference between NWN and ME.

Just more evidence that JRPGs are all the same.  Even their hardcore fans confuse which game is which.

BOOM.

Xenogears and Xenosaga have 'Xeno' at the beginning. Plus the fact that Xenosaga is a spritiual sequel to Xenogears, and you have a minor slip-up.

Oh and WRPGs were so diverse and different that time! I mean, who had thought using the Dungeons and Dragons Template was so unique.

[the_one_54321]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

How many Squenix games would you consider to be modern classics?
How many BioWare games would you consider to be modern classics?

I rest my case. Square had quite a few excellent games during the SNES era, but the mighty have fallen long ago.

Truth. And one day this too will happen to BioWare. Tis not a new thing. >_>

I just want Atlus to step their bloody game up and release Persona 5 damnit. I'm getting sick of waiting for them to announce it. Hurry up and give me a female protagonist again!

Hey, wait a minute, there are a number of the newer games that count as modern classics.

Xenosaga 1-3
FFX and FFXII (not everyone liked them but they certainly count as classics)
Kingdom Hearts 1&2
Metal Gear Solid 1-4 (again, not everyone liked them, but they do count as classics)

[newcomplex]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Zavox wrote...
 It's not all about selling, it's also about ratings, originality, etc.

Thirteen different worlds. That's how many confirmed individual original IPs there are in the FF franchise. And that's just one Square franchise.

And each world is gradually more depthless and shallow then the last.   

The only thing vaguely good to come out of Enix was FF6 and Parasite eve original.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 17 février 2010 - 02:34 .

[Vamphuntr]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Xenosaga... What? ****, That was suppose to be Xenogears. Xenosaga is published by Namco.

Oh, yeah, you're right about that. I always just kind of lump them together in my head.

See?  You people can't even get your own "hits" straight.

I know the difference between NWN and ME.

Just more evidence that JRPGs are all the same.  Even their hardcore fans confuse which game is which.

BOOM.

It's true that the JRPG mania has slowed down quite a bit in the west. The last JRPG I played was Tales of Vesperia, a very good game.  JRPG are not all the same, it's quite biased to say so.

[Laterali]

Garuda One wrote...

That disturbs me to a point that I can't comprehend.

I haven't played a FF game in many years. I was interested in the new one, even though I knew nothing about it. It seems rather childish to say " Well they just don't get it." Seems like a huge cop out. To me its an insult to westerners that we just aren't intelligent enough to understand the concept of FF....

Maybe he should have kept his mouth shut and made a better game.

[ReDSH1FT]

By the way, in keeping with the threads original course, Japan's touted "eastern point of view" is very... childish.



This is a country whose top games consistently include Mario or a Wii peripheral. That New Super Mario Bros. game has been number 1 for a while. Do they ever grow up there? It's like a nation of immature kids.



Compare that to America. Our number 1 game in November and December was Modern Warfare 2.



I think I'll keep my stupid "western point of view"

[Garuda One]

poisonoustea wrote...

Square is a Japanese company. That is the only way in which this is related to Japan.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on this issue.

If Square's bit**ing, Square's bit**ing, not its country.

If this was the 80's I would agree with you but it's not. When ever you mention Japan on a forum board or anywere thats not in Japan theres always a Weeaboo not far from it, behind a corner masturbating to final fantasy character or something similar. 

[Garuda One]

Double Post. Go go lag.

Modifié par Garuda One, 17 février 2010 - 02:36 .

[the_one_54321]

newcomplex wrote...
And each world is gradually more depthless and shallow then the last.   

The only thing vaguely good to come out of Enix was FF6 and Parasite eve original.

Enix didn't have anything to do with either of those games. Squaresoft made them.

[vhatever]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I meant that the JRPGs have done everything that the WRPGs have done, and done it first. And many WRPGs qualify only as pale comparisons. Not BioWare though. BioWare does a fantastic job.

Uh, you mean everything JRPGs have done has been copied from WRPGs?

[newcomplex]

I hate Japanese literature in general. Mainly because they missed the whole romanticist/dark romanticist part of western literary development because of their dumb isolationist policies 200 years ago, so now their regurgitating themes we made two hundred years ago with robots and a stupid cultural expectation of beauty.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 17 février 2010 - 02:40 .

[Ryzaki]

vhatever wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

I meant that the JRPGs have done everything that the WRPGs have done, and done it first. And many WRPGs qualify only as pale comparisons. Not BioWare though. BioWare does a fantastic job.

Uh, you mean everything JRPGs have done has been copied from WRPGs?

*facepalms*

Neither side copied everything from the other. That's just plain common sense. They may have used the others ideas as templates (and in some cases blantantly copied) but WRPGs didn't take all their stuff from JRPGs or vice versa.

Honestly get off of that argument its retarded.

[the_one_54321]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
By the way, in keeping with the threads original course, Japan's touted "eastern point of view" is very... childish.

What he says about the difference in story telling approach is accurate. When you have a variable lead character it's very limiting on the writers since they have to take that variability into account. But these days everyone playing WRPGs expects full customizability. They want to make up everything about the character and that means some story telling is sacrificed.

A lot of JRPGs instead sacrifice customizability so that they can have more freedom in telling the story.

Also, it bears noting that Ray Miyazuka, or however you spell his name, has said almost the exact same thing of ME2 and the development of Shepard.

[krylo]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

By the way, in keeping with the threads original course, Japan's touted "eastern point of view" is very... childish.

This is a country whose top games consistently include Mario or a Wii peripheral. That New Super Mario Bros. game has been number 1 for a while. Do they ever grow up there? It's like a nation of immature kids.

Compare that to America. Our number 1 game in November and December was Modern Warfare 2.

I think I'll keep my stupid "western point of view"

Yup.

Cause guns, explosions, blood, and ****** is totally mature in any fashion other than ratings.

Again, I say, "Argh.  This thread."