Garuda One wrote...
If this was the 80's I would agree with you but it's not. When ever you mention Japan on a forum board or anywere thats not in Japan theres always a Weeaboo not far from it, behind a corner masturbating to final fantasy character or something similar.
, keep it up.
ReDSH1FT wrote...
By the way, in keeping with the threads original course, Japan's touted "eastern point of view" is very... childish.
This is a country whose top games consistently include Mario or a Wii
peripheral. That New Super Mario Bros. game has been number 1 for a
while. Do they ever grow up there? It's like a nation of immature kids.
Compare that to America. Our number 1 game in November and December was Modern Warfare 2.
I think I'll keep my stupid "western point of view"
Bann Duncan wrote...
Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
It's not that their style is any level invalid, it's that they refuse to compromise to a Western audience.
Not every game has to cater to a 'western audience' or my definition: 'the American Audience'.
I was merely pointing out that if he wants to complain about his JRPG not working out in the Western World, then he at least should take into consideration the factors.
For a game to work in the 'western world' aka America, the game has to be centered around 'America'... or Fantasy Mythology. If FFXIII have Space Bald Marines and was set in a flying Island in America.
The reviewers will still slag it off however, saying it reminds them of Turok, but it's the sales that matter.
Yes Jade Empire was centred around American marines. Oh wait - it wasn't.
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If this was the 80's I would agree with you but it's not. When ever you mention Japan on a forum board or anywere thats not in Japan theres always a Weeaboo not far from it, behind a corner masturbating to final fantasy character or something similar.
the_one_54321 wrote...
What he says about the difference in story telling approach is accurate. When you have a variable lead character it's very limiting on the writers since they have to take that variability into account. But these days everyone playing WRPGs expects full customizability. They want to make up everything about the character and that means some story telling is sacrificed.ReDSH1FT wrote...
By the way, in keeping with the threads original course, Japan's touted "eastern point of view" is very... childish.
A lot of JRPGs instead sacrifice customizability so that they can have more freedom in telling the story.
Also, it bears noting that Ray Miyazuka, or however you spell his name, has said almost the exact same thing of ME2 and the development of Shepard.
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javierabegazo wrote...
Another fantastic Square game is Vagrant Story, this one, (as far as I know) was very original and innovative in it's combat system and in it's item creation and inventory system and had an exception dark flavored art direction
Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 février 2010 - 02:48 .
There are probably more lines and more options, but that doesn't mean the story was as deep. The interactions have to have some level of generic approach when any of 10 different main characters can achieve exactly the same ending.ReDSH1FT wrote...
How can you say that story is sacrificed? Have you even played either of the Mass Effect games?
They have more story than Final Fantasy 7. Yes. I said it.
the_one_54321 wrote...
You guys are nuts. Just so you know, everything "revolutionary" that a WRPG has done, a JRPG did first. Type in a feature in google search and find out where it was first implemented. See how many you can find that weren't first done in JRPGs.Jonas TM wrote...
This pretty much strikes the nail on the head IMO. jRPGs are stagnant because they havn't changed their formula in what? At least 5 years if not closer to a decade. wRPGs are constantly switching up their forumula/gameplay/stories and while we may not like them all, at least we have a lot to chose from.Marilynn-22 wrote...
wow instead of complaining about other gaming companys, the Jrpg companys should learn from the western rpg companys on what makes a GREAT game and use it, instead they keep creating the same crap over and over again :/
Modifié par OfTheFaintSmile, 17 février 2010 - 02:49 .
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They have more story than Final Fantasy 7. Yes. I said it.
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Ryzaki wrote...
What do people have against the metrosexuals? Not everyone wants to have overly buff muscle men in their games you know. >_>
You don't hear me constantly b****ing about the "perfect" women in Wrpg games. (That usually tend to be complete b****es in personality).
rumination888 wrote...
Bann Duncan wrote...
Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
It's not that their style is any level invalid, it's that they refuse to compromise to a Western audience.
Not every game has to cater to a 'western audience' or my definition: 'the American Audience'.
I was merely pointing out that if he wants to complain about his JRPG not working out in the Western World, then he at least should take into consideration the factors.
For a game to work in the 'western world' aka America, the game has to be centered around 'America'... or Fantasy Mythology. If FFXIII have Space Bald Marines and was set in a flying Island in America.
The reviewers will still slag it off however, saying it reminds them of Turok, but it's the sales that matter.
Yes Jade Empire was centred around American marines. Oh wait - it wasn't.
It centers around what America thinks constitutes ancient China. Theres quite a lot of fortune-cookie ramblings and martial arts in that game. Basically, it sold well here because it conforms to the norms of what the mainstream expects when we think of ancient China.
Japan's games center around what Japan thinks of certain things. If you wern't conditioned by America's own viewpoints of said subject(or your own country), then you might find their games more palpable. I notice a lot of people who enjoy jRPGs got into them when they were children.
the_one_54321 wrote...
There are probably more lines and moreReDSH1FT wrote...
How can
you say that story is sacrificed? Have you even played either of the
Mass Effect games?
They have more story than Final Fantasy 7.
Yes. I said it.
options, but that doesn't mean the story was as deep. The interactions
have to have some level of generic approach when any of 10 different
main characters can achieve exactly the same ending.
It's not a
fault, it's just a different approach. It has its pros and it has its
cons.
Modifié par newcomplex, 17 février 2010 - 02:50 .
the_one_54321 wrote...
Guys there is a big difference between something not suiting your taste, and something being really bad.
For everyone making fun of those who are fans of JRPGs, I'm sure there is something you are ridiculous about. One of the folks here has Tali all over his signature. What a freak, huh?
ivan.inverse wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
What do people have against the metrosexuals? Not everyone wants to have overly buff muscle men in their games you know. >_>
You don't hear me constantly b****ing about the "perfect" women in Wrpg games. (That usually tend to be complete b****es in personality).
My biggest problem out of those three is actually the people-sized swords.
Still doesn't irk me as much as the perfect woman archtype. 
Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 février 2010 - 02:52 .
Guest_poisonoustea_*
metrosexuals
rumination888 wrote...
Bann Duncan wrote...
Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
Chrono Mizaki wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
It's not that their style is any level invalid, it's that they refuse to compromise to a Western audience.
Not every game has to cater to a 'western audience' or my definition: 'the American Audience'.
I was merely pointing out that if he wants to complain about his JRPG not working out in the Western World, then he at least should take into consideration the factors.
For a game to work in the 'western world' aka America, the game has to be centered around 'America'... or Fantasy Mythology. If FFXIII have Space Bald Marines and was set in a flying Island in America.
The reviewers will still slag it off however, saying it reminds them of Turok, but it's the sales that matter.
Yes Jade Empire was centred around American marines. Oh wait - it wasn't.
It centers around what America thinks constitutes ancient China. Theres quite a lot of fortune-cookie ramblings and martial arts in that game. Basically, it sold well here because it conforms to the norms of what the mainstream expects when we think of ancient China.
Japan's games center around what Japan thinks of certain things. If you wern't conditioned by America's own viewpoints of said subject(or your own country), then you might find their games more palpable. I notice a lot of people who enjoy jRPGs got into them when they were children.
rumination888 wrote...
The only thing seperating default Shepard and a metrosexual is his facial hair. Seriously. He's quite lithe(unless you wear the futuristic street clothes... then his arm muscles triple in size), and he's based off a friggin' model.
newcomplex wrote...
lol at "overly buffed men".
Seriously
look at your average nonfat man on the street. All of their physiques
resemble shepherd more then anime character. If their not buff, their
body structure is similar to shepherd. You can even take your average
JAPANESE MAN, and they'd still look more like shepherd then their anime
characters.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 février 2010 - 02:54 .
Chrono Mizaki wrote...
I'm going to state this:
Mass Effect will be the Final Fantasy of the Western World. And in ten years time, we will all be ranting on, saying ME is stale and that Bioware has lost its edge.
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