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[Delta Green]

"“Many human planets and colonies celebrate St. Valentine's Day
today, a holiday themed around romantic love and the greeting card
industry. Prospective or established mating partners exchange love
notes with one another, and some add gifts of cut flowers, jewelry, or
sugary confections in the hopes of receiving sexual favors. Industry
insiders estimate over 2 billion Valentine messages will be sent this
year on Earth and an additional 5 billion throughout the human
colonies. The holiday is rapidly spreading among the asari and volus,
who embrace its unusual mix of commerce and reproduction.”"


We already know there's a dozen billion humans on earth but this got me thinking.

If we go by those numbers there may be 30 billion humans currently alive which is just crazy high if you consider that even garden worlds like Eden Prime and Terra Nova do not exceed 100 million...

[Taty Bo Janglez]

Theres about 63.5 i think

[Schneidend]

Well, there are 11 billion people on Earth alone. The remainder are spread throughout the galaxy on colonies, space stations, alien worlds, etc.

[Hatire]

I'm going to saying between 35 and 45 billion.

[Randy1012]

I doubt it's higher than 20 billion. Anything more than that would be a little ridiculous, given the relatively short amount of time between the First Contact War and Mass Effect 1.

Modifié par Randy1083, 17 février 2010 - 01:25 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Codex is pretty much messed up, so I wouldn't take into account those minor inconsistencies. They are bound to be there when those Cerberus Daily News and ME2 planet descriptions are written by people who probably never played ME1.

[DaeJi]

The populations of colonies in Mass Effect 2 are far too massive to be actuate. Terra Nova was the largest human colony in the first game, and they had a population of 4.4 million. My guess is that the numbers were fudged a bit.

[Zulu_DFA]

Randy1083 wrote...

I doubt it's higher than 20 billion. Anything more than that would be a little ridiculous, given the relatively short amount of time between the First Contact War and Mass Effect 1.

Given relatively short amount of time and the efficiency of the mass effect based technology, and ME1 lore (Codex + planet descriptions), there are less than 100 million humans living off-Earth.

[Maloar]

Well earth is considered to be grossly overpopulated with its 11 billion. My guess is under 15 billion. I could be mistaken, but I don't remember seeing a human colony with a very large population. Most are in the hundreds of thousands or lower.

[It IS Lupus]

Delta Green wrote...

"“Many human planets and colonies celebrate St. Valentine's Day
today, a holiday themed around romantic love and the greeting card
industry. Prospective or established mating partners exchange love
notes with one another, and some add gifts of cut flowers, jewelry, or
sugary confections in the hopes of receiving sexual favors. Industry
insiders estimate over 2 billion Valentine messages will be sent this
year on Earth and an additional 5 billion throughout the human
colonies. The holiday is rapidly spreading among the asari and volus,
who embrace its unusual mix of commerce and reproduction.”"


We already know there's a dozen billion humans on earth but this got me thinking.

If we go by those numbers there may be 30 billion humans currently alive which is just crazy high if you consider that even garden worlds like Eden Prime and Terra Nova do not exceed 100 million...

42 that is all;)

[Delta Green]

Even 1 billion is a gross overestimation i feel



The best planets in humanity's sphere hold at best a 100 million. They'd need to have hundreds of colonial holdings of substantial populations.

[Randy1012]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

I doubt it's higher than 20 billion. Anything more than that would be a little ridiculous, given the relatively short amount of time between the First Contact War and Mass Effect 1.

Given relatively short amount of time and the efficiency of the mass effect based technology, and ME1 lore (Codex + planet descriptions), there are less than 100 million humans living off-Earth.

Right. Before I edited, I said there couldn't be more than 13 or 14 billion, but then I retracted after re-reading that news blurb about "5 billion messages across the various human colonies." I still think 13-14 billion is really the max based on Codex entries and planet descriptions, as you've pointed out. There's only been enough time for one generation to have been born and raised to adulthood since humans discovered the Prothean ruins on Mars, so there's no way the human population could have tripled or quadrupled.

[Zulu_DFA]

Delta Green wrote...

The best planets in humanity's sphere hold at best a 100 million.

Name just one, please.

Terra Nova, Eden Prime & Shanxi are the oldest colonies with almost ideal terran climate, and they are under 5 million each.

[addiction21]

It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.

-HGTTG

[Randy1012]

Yeah, I believe Terra Nova is listed as humanity's most populous colony, and it only has a population of 4.4 million people.

This is another problem with setting the games so closely to the First Contact War. ME1 should have been a minimum of fifty years after the FCW, though a century would have been better.

It was even more ridiculous in Drew Karpyshyn's novel "Revelation," in which the Alliance ambassador was able to strongarm the Council because humans had somehow spread so quickly and become so essential to the Citadel that the Council couldn't afford to blacklist them (or whatever). "Revelation" took place in 2165; less than ten years after the First Contact War.

[Gaudion]

Whatever the number is, it's got to be fairly impressive considering that several hundred thousand colonists go missing before the start of ME2 and the Alliance doesn't even bat an eyelash.

[Zulu_DFA]

addiction21 wrote...

It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.
-HGTTG

What grass do you smoke?

[FlashedMyDrive]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.
-HGTTG

What grass do you smoke?

Lol

Get me some.

[addiction21]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.
-HGTTG

What grass do you smoke?

The good **** son

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_to_the_Galaxy

[DaeJi]

Gaudion wrote...

Whatever the number is, it's got to be fairly impressive considering that several hundred thousand colonists go missing before the start of ME2 and the Alliance doesn't even bat an eyelash.

Those colonies were outside the Alliance's control. I don't think the number was any higher than 100 million, if it was even that.

[Zulu_DFA]

Randy1083 wrote...

Yeah, I believe Terra Nova is listed as humanity's most populous colony, and it only has a population of 4.4 million people.

This is another problem with setting the games so closely to the First Contact War. ME1 should have been a minimum of fifty years after the FCW, though a century would have been better.

It was even more ridiculous in Drew Karpyshyn's novel "Revelation," in which the Alliance ambassador was able to strongarm the Council because humans had somehow spread so quickly and become so essential to the Citadel that the Council couldn't afford to blacklist them (or whatever). "Revelation" took place in 2165; less than ten years after the First Contact War.

As I mentioned, due to efficiency of the mass effect and other 22nd century technology you don't need millions of workers to facilitate a large economic output. All around the galaxy we happen upon some "robo-mining" and "automated ice-cracking" installations. The size of population itselа doesn't matter any more. Human beings (as well as Asaris, Turians, Salarians) are much more of consumers, than producers. This trend is present alredy today in real life. Therefore a vast population is in fact undesirable.

Thus, Human Alliance is the fresh blood in the galactic economy, that just came to stagnation in the past millenium. Human economy may not be as big as that of Asari or Turian-Volus or Salarian, but it is the most efficient, due to low consumption rate. Anderson explains as much in the beginning of ME1: the Council races want Humans to expand into the Attican Traverse and exploit its riches on behalf of the entire "galactic community", whereas they, the Council races, won't be the ones to face the risks of such expansion.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 février 2010 - 02:02 .

[Zulu_DFA]

addiction21 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.
-HGTTG

What grass do you smoke?

The good **** son

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_to_the_Galaxy

So, I guess it's the same grass as the Guide's author?

[Zulu_DFA]

DaeJi wrote...

Gaudion wrote...

Whatever the number is, it's got to be fairly impressive considering that several hundred thousand colonists go missing before the start of ME2 and the Alliance doesn't even bat an eyelash.

Those colonies were outside the Alliance's control. I don't think the number was any higher than 100 million, if it was even that.

And they do bat an eyelash. They sent investigators to those colonies gone missing, and even sent Ashley Williams with her turrets, when TIM hinted them about Horizon.