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[Behindyounow]

I dont get it... What was left of DA's storyline? It was about stopping the blight.







You stop the blight at the end. They dont need to stretch it out further.

[Bratt1204]

Behindyounow wrote...

I dont get it... What was left of DA's storyline? It was about stopping the blight.



You stop the blight at the end. They dont need to stretch it out further.

What Origin characters have you played as? I can understand why you "don't get it......"

[Dervla]

carlosjuero wrote...

Could you have put this in one of the 20 other threads on the exact same subject with the exact same contents?

[Behindyounow]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

I dont get it... What was left of DA's storyline? It was about stopping the blight.



You stop the blight at the end. They dont need to stretch it out further.

What Origin characters have you played as? I can understand why you "don't get it......"

Human Mage and Dalish elf.

Does the archdemon survive at the end in some of them then? I wasn't aware he did.

[Bratt1204]

Behindyounow wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

I dont get it... What was left of DA's storyline? It was about stopping the blight.



You stop the blight at the end. They dont need to stretch it out further.

What Origin characters have you played as? I can understand why you "don't get it......"

Human Mage and Dalish elf.

Does the archdemon survive at the end in some of them then? I wasn't aware he did.

Perhaps you should try playing as a HN, then you might understand why players are so concerned about how their story plays out/carries over into the expansion.

[JamieCOTC]

SDNcN wrote...

David Gaider expained this in another thread. The relationship doesn't end, nor does the expansion treat it like it never happened. There will be references and acknowledgements but your relationships are not significant to the plot of the expansion.

Thank you.  I thought I had read that, but wasn't sure. 

[Behindyounow]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Perhaps you should try playing as a HN, then you might understand why players are so concerned about how their story plays out/carries over into the expansion.

What happens? You can become King/Queen at the end... big deal. Do you expect them to make a game where you sit on a throne and just tell people what to do?

[Paineoe]

Maybe they want to save Morrigan for the sequel... Maybe.

[standardpack]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I for one am glad Morrigan isn't coming back. She deserves an entire sequel in her honor.

damn straight

[Baconmonster723]

Karlojey wrote...

I think it's not too much of a disappointment given that it is only an expansion. I'm sure BioWare will pleasantly surprise us when DA:O 2 (and 3 hopefully?) comes out. The expansion aims to show our warden busy building up the Grey Wardens. As for my thoughts on the common complaints about the coming expansion:

1. Why Oghren? Why not
I agree with most of the people that posted here. Not just because some of us doesn't like Oghren it means that he's the worst companion to be brought back. I for one would like to have Leliana, Dog or Alistair, but bringing back Oghren won't be a deal breaker for me. As for Morrigan, I think it's too soon to bring her back. If the devs are planning to make this into a trilogy (a la Mass Effect) then wouldn't it be better if she came out in the finale? It would be the climax of the franchise IMO. Furthermore, out of all the companions, Oghren joined the warden out of gratitude for helping him find Branka, unlike the other companions who has their own mission against the Blight which is why they joined the Warden (ex. Sten wanted to know what the Blight is, Leliana was told by the Maker to help the Warden, etc.). So given that, we weren't able to see much of Oghren's story so it's nice for him to get a chance here in Awakenings.

2. No relationships?
The Warden had to go to Amaranthine (spelling?) to rebuild the Grey Wardens. If we had any relationships in DA:O which I'm sure a majority of us have, I personally think it would be difficult for the relationship to prosper while the Warden is busy. Similar to soldiers that go to war, they don't bring their GF/Wife with them right? As for having no relationships with the coming companions, maybe they're not interested? Hehe I guess we'll see but still it's not a deal breaker for me.

3. My dead Warden is alive even if I sacrificed myself?!
DA:A will probably give some weird explanation why this happened like maybe one of your companions used the ashes of Andraste or something similar to the Lazarus Project on ME2.

Just my two cents guys. Let's wait for the game before we judge if it's crap.

I agree completely with points 1 and 2 of this post and the final verdict you chose.  However, I don't see the issue of #3 for people.  They get the feeling that they are getting jipped with the US ending, well don't import your character.  Bioware only put that option there for if you wanted it.  They distinctly said, if people don't have an issue with importing a dead warden neither do we.  So I you choose to import a dead warden, the only person to blame is yourself.  Bioware simply leaves the option open for people who want to do that, it doesn't lessen the US ending on Bioware's end, only on the players end, because they allow themselves import, it is in the end the Players Choice.  Your post on the whole makes great sense though and I couldn't agree with it more.

[noctoi]

Default137 wrote...

Why was this bumped?

They already said if you were in a romance, it will be mentioned by your partner.

They already mentioned that old companions will be making a cameo, including Dog.

And they've already brought back the RtO DLC items, and have mentioned they may do the WK stuff to.

Really, what did people expect with the old companions? None of them really stood out as someone who would stick with the Wardens after the Blight ended, other then 3 small romance options, Dog, and Loghain, who nobody saved.

And yet people seem surprised that Sten won't just drop everything to come help you rebuild the Wardens, or that the Preggers Morrigan won't just get up and run around Ferelden some more with you? Or how about King Alistar, I'm sure he can drop everything on a whim to help you fight intelligent Darkspawn armies and possibly die horribly like his predecessor .

The only possible reason they would stick with you is if Alistar, Leliana, and Zevran came with you to help rebuild, and in that case, rebuilding doesn't always mean running into the Deep Roads swords held high screaming, Alistar and Loghain would be much more useful as trainers for the new Wardens, as both are at that point powerful Warriors in their own right, Zevran and Leliana are scouts, spies, or probably recruiters, as they are both very good at sneaking around, and finding out whats going on.

Just because they won't be in your party doesn't mean they won't be there.

But yeah, I will miss Dog >_>

ok, said before, but not on this thread so here goes... 

A) I have a dog, he is my friend, I do NOT leave him home with someone else while I go off galavanting for months on end. This would go double if he was a trained war dog and i was going off to war. The mabari are inteligent to the point of sentience and he makes a far more satisfying conversation companion than a drunken dwarf, so why would I not bring him along? 

Alistair has never become king in any of my play-throughs so the expansion completely contradicts my endings, its not a small discrepancy, its a rather large plot hole. If it was going to be so blatently disregarded maybe it should have been thought of before DAO A was written, and patched accordingly.

C) In two of my playthroughs my Char's had an open relationship with Zev and messed around with everyone else on the side so there is no reason that those characters should have any qualms with hitting on new companions. It is a known fact that many people use sex as a re-affirmation of life in situations of extreme pain or violence so I think it pulls down the realism of the game to exclude the ability to at least flirt. Sure, leave out the "romance" if  the patch is only supposed to cover a month or 2 but leave the realism in, there is not need to confuse sexuality with romance... Zev didn't for most of his dialogue lol. It may only make up a tiny portion of the game, unimportant to the main storyline, but it is integral to the realism for many people. If its such a small thing, leave it in!!!

D) Fine, leave out the DLC armor.. big woop... But I want my damn gollem!!! Hmph!!  Actually, let me amend that... If i PAID for the DLC, I want to KEEP the DLC. Simple as that. Scrap something I have paid for and I won't pay for it again in future. 

In the end, people who don't care about complete content role playing will still tell people like me to shut up, and we will keep saying the same thing over and over... If i wanted to dungeon hack Id buy the appropriate game, If i want to role play, Ill buy an RPG and expect the same level of interpersonal interaction as DAO. anything less isn't role playing, its a hackfest. If i was playing a table top RPG and my GM did what the dragon age writers did with the lack of reasonable excuses that they show, Id sack my GM and join a new game. 

*end rant*

Modifié par noctoi, 08 mars 2010 - 02:52 .

[The_Abyss]

*shrug* If you don't like awakenings, don't buy it. If you do, buy it.

[EmperorSahlertz]

noctoi wrote...

Default137 wrote...

Why was this bumped?

They already said if you were in a romance, it will be mentioned by your partner.

They already mentioned that old companions will be making a cameo, including Dog.

And they've already brought back the RtO DLC items, and have mentioned they may do the WK stuff to.

Really, what did people expect with the old companions? None of them really stood out as someone who would stick with the Wardens after the Blight ended, other then 3 small romance options, Dog, and Loghain, who nobody saved.

And yet people seem surprised that Sten won't just drop everything to come help you rebuild the Wardens, or that the Preggers Morrigan won't just get up and run around Ferelden some more with you? Or how about King Alistar, I'm sure he can drop everything on a whim to help you fight intelligent Darkspawn armies and possibly die horribly like his predecessor .

The only possible reason they would stick with you is if Alistar, Leliana, and Zevran came with you to help rebuild, and in that case, rebuilding doesn't always mean running into the Deep Roads swords held high screaming, Alistar and Loghain would be much more useful as trainers for the new Wardens, as both are at that point powerful Warriors in their own right, Zevran and Leliana are scouts, spies, or probably recruiters, as they are both very good at sneaking around, and finding out whats going on.

Just because they won't be in your party doesn't mean they won't be there.

But yeah, I will miss Dog >_>

ok, said before, but not on this thread so here goes... 

A) I have a dog, he is my friend, I do NOT leave him home with someone else while I go off galavanting for months on end. This would go double if he was a trained war dog and i was going off to war. The mabari are inteligent to the point of sentience and he makes a far more satisfying conversation companion than a drunken dwarf, so why would I not bring him along? 

Alistair has never become king in any of my play-throughs so the expansion completely contradicts my endings, its not a small discrepancy, its a rather large plot hole. If it was going to be so blatently disregarded maybe it should have been thought of before DAO A was written, and patched accordingly.

C) In two of my playthroughs my Char's had an open relationship with Zev and messed around with everyone else on the side so there is no reason that those characters should have any qualms with hitting on new companions. It is a known fact that many people use sex as a re-affirmation of life in situations of extreme pain or violence so I think it pulls down the realism of the game to exclude the ability to at least flirt. Sure, leave out the "romance" if  the patch is only supposed to cover a month or 2 but leave the realism in, there is not need to confuse sexuality with romance... Zev didn't for most of his dialogue lol. It may only make up a tiny portion of the game, unimportant to the main storyline, but it is integral to the realism for many people. If its such a small thing, leave it in!!!

D) Fine, leave out the DLC armor.. big woop... But I want my damn gollem!!! Hmph!!  Actually, let me amend that... If i PAID for the DLC, I want to KEEP the DLC. Simple as that. Scrap something I have paid for and I won't pay for it again in future. 

In the end, people who don't care about complete content role playing will still tell people like me to shut up, and we will keep saying the same thing over and over... If i wanted to dungeon hack Id buy the appropriate game, If i want to role play, Ill buy an RPG and expect the same level of interpersonal interaction as DAO. anything less isn't role playing, its a hackfest. If i was playing a table top RPG and my GM did what the dragon age writers did with the lack of reasonable excuses that they show, Id sack my GM and join a new game. 

*end rant*

A) Yeah, too bad you had to this time eh?

Well luckily for you, you jsut go right ahead and import one of your playthoughs where Alistair wasn't made king and VIOLA! No Alistair kingship for you. Problem solved...

C) The Darkspawn knocking down the front gate of your castle is a reason for NOT fooling around with random party members/npc right now. Save that for the victory celebrations.

D) Shale said at the victory party that it would travel away or stay in Denerim. My guess is it held true to its words.

What is it with people and thinking that only the inclusion of romances allow for proper RP?

[Aynslie]

Ah yea I was really excited about this expansion but I'm probably going to wait to see what the reviews are. Usually I will buy a Bioware game with my eyes closed but it seems that they dropped the ball with this one. The Romances and your options mattering is what makes Bioware games extra great. Otherwise might as well just play any other ol RPG. This disappointment has me looking at the new Final Fantasy instead.

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

What is it with you people and romance? Seriously you people should get off the computer and find real love lives and stop talking down about the expansion. You, who have not even played the expansion cannot judge it without playing it. Why do you think that BW is not talk about it, they want to keep the cat in the bag. I know someone who thinks that the expansion is all hack and slash but he has not played it and therefore cannot judge. And the only reason that Oghren is coming back is because out of all the other characters (besides Morrigan) he is the only one who survives and by the time the expansion is set, Morrigan is far away and would be against her character to return so soon and therefore Oghren is the most appropriate choice. Use common sence people.



And it is a game not your entire lively hoods.



That is the end of my small rant

[Koralis]

Paineoe wrote...

Maybe they want to save Morrigan for the sequel... Maybe.

She's rearing a baby god right now.  That's got to keep your hands full!


"Put down the Bronto, or it's time-out for you."

[MutantSpleen]

So I haven't read this whole thread. Do people not like Oghren? I thought he was hilarious. The way he teased Alistair about his experience and his relationship with my dwarf noble had me falling out of my chair.



I am glad he is returning. Yes I was hoping the romances returned too but they seem to be holding them back for another chapter.



My mage saved Loghain too so bonus for me.

[d4fF]

my $0.02 on the xpac:



It will be totally awesome!



Just love this game... some minor things like romances and promotional items missing doesn't destroy my expectations for the Awakening.



What's so bad about Oghren? He and Sten rescuing me from prison is one of my most memorable moments in this game. Gonna miss Sten though... I like him.



Romances... won't miss them at all. Only did them to get them done... Alistair is just the most annoying man I've ever seen... and the ONE character that we actually HAD to carry along without choice the most... I killed both him and Leliana on all my playthroughs... Leliana is just as annoying... I actually fell asleep listening to one of her "tales"... True story! god damnit...



The only characters I will miss is Sten and Morrigan... but I actually expect them both to make an apperance in later games... Morrigan with my son (who's probably gonna be a badass motherf***** )and the qunaris when they invade Ferelden.



So I'm gonna enjoy Dragon Age: The Awakening..



To all you guys "not buying it": Enjoy yourself playing yet another time through the Korcari Wilds and Ostagar. I'll think of you when I kill the Architect!

[Jawson]

For those of us that played NWN2, the sequel is going to be the same I'm afraid, which is why I generally dislike stand alone expansions. Aside from some minor mentions of Origins characters, and situations, they ignore the main story line so that someone can put their own spin on things. Aside from the engine, and being able to import your toon, this is a totally separate game. Which undoubtedly some random fanbois will rant about how it is much better than the original.

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

Don't underestimate DA2, we know nothing about it and NWN2 was mostly made by Obsidian not BW.



P.S I know what I'm talking about because I have played NWN2 and was sad to say a disappointment.

[Calahas]

Well, to answer the point of this thread...



Bioware have been developing Awakening before Origins came out. So, they probably decided before it was released that Ohgren would be returning. And even if they didn't, why would they take a poll and see who everyone liked most? They had their reasons, and good ones. He didn't make much game time in both my playthroughs, and this one he won't be doing too much either. So, there's one reason. Hell, you may even (GASP) begin to LIKE him.



While, to me, it would seem that Leliana or Zevran would make more sense, I did lose BOTH of them in my first playthrough. And who knows, I keep having this gnawing suspicion someone's gonna die at the beginning of Awakening. That's how I would have done it.



So there will be a reason for them not being your companion. Just because you don't know what it is yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Thalorin1919]

noctoi wrote...


ok, said before, but not on this thread so here goes... 

A) I have a dog, he is my friend, I do NOT leave him home with someone else while I go off galavanting for months on end. This would go double if he was a trained war dog and i was going off to war. The mabari are inteligent to the point of sentience and he makes a far more satisfying conversation companion than a drunken dwarf, so why would I not bring him along? 

Alistair has never become king in any of my play-throughs so the expansion completely contradicts my endings, its not a small discrepancy, its a rather large plot hole. If it was going to be so blatently disregarded maybe it should have been thought of before DAO A was written, and patched accordingly.

C) In two of my playthroughs my Char's had an open relationship with Zev and messed around with everyone else on the side so there is no reason that those characters should have any qualms with hitting on new companions. It is a known fact that many people use sex as a re-affirmation of life in situations of extreme pain or violence so I think it pulls down the realism of the game to exclude the ability to at least flirt. Sure, leave out the "romance" if  the patch is only supposed to cover a month or 2 but leave the realism in, there is not need to confuse sexuality with romance... Zev didn't for most of his dialogue lol. It may only make up a tiny portion of the game, unimportant to the main storyline, but it is integral to the realism for many people. If its such a small thing, leave it in!!!

D) Fine, leave out the DLC armor.. big woop... But I want my damn gollem!!! Hmph!!  Actually, let me amend that... If i PAID for the DLC, I want to KEEP the DLC. Simple as that. Scrap something I have paid for and I won't pay for it again in future. 

In the end, people who don't care about complete content role playing will still tell people like me to shut up, and we will keep saying the same thing over and over... If i wanted to dungeon hack Id buy the appropriate game, If i want to role play, Ill buy an RPG and expect the same level of interpersonal interaction as DAO. anything less isn't role playing, its a hackfest. If i was playing a table top RPG and my GM did what the dragon age writers did with the lack of reasonable excuses that they show, Id sack my GM and join a new game. 

*end rant*

A.) Its a frickin DOG. I mean, I'm all up for having the old adventure hound and stuff, but I'm not gonna freak out if its not there. That dog basically was everyones friend in your camp. Who's to say he didnt stay with Alistair in Ferelden or something?
B.) If you made Anora the Queen in your playthroughs, then she will be Queen when you import her. But I cant understand why you made Anora the Queen - A hardened Alistair King is so much better...coming from a guy
C.) I'm all up for romances. But you cant be sitting for hours next to a fire talking to your love interest when you are the Warden Commander - Talking darkspawn running a muck - and the Arl of Amaranthine. Its just seems like quiet the load to handle. Plus all of your companions have the possible chance to become Grey Wardens and are there to fight darkspawn - nothing else.
D.) DLC is DLC. It was fun - but I for the most part use the armor that came with the original game. Shale was fun and all, but I'm sure she would rather kill Pigeons then watch you induct Grey Wardens and rule as an Arl.

[Catalyst38]

Behindyounow wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Perhaps you should try playing as a HN, then you might understand why players are so concerned about how their story plays out/carries over into the expansion.

What happens? You can become King/Queen at the end... big deal. Do you expect them to make a game where you sit on a throne and just tell people what to do?

no i expect them to at least have my conversations with my queen have some meaning or whats the point of moving it over....i'll be pissed if that cry baby is the king, did any of my choices even matter? it would be like transferring your character over in Mass Effect and somehow that udena is the human counselor even though you picked anderson. How about the city elfs arent prospering even though my elf character made that one elf girl a noble.

when it comes down to it your a gray warden before your a king you know that when you crasp at the throne you cant command you nation to fight the dark spawn you much go yourself. I understand this and i'm cool with it in fact i'd have it no other way. As for Awakening relation i want Mhairi to be my knight/soilder instead of her saying i was in serves to the king she should say she was in serves to me.it would be cool if Mhairi addressed me as your majesty or my king. A few NPCs should remember who i em and know i'm the king. I dont outside of in citys your king/queen hood has no meaning what so ever,

No Romance----fine in dragon ages they where mostly ****ty sex scenes anyways.

Romances dont carry over------thats fine to i mean none of are old romances are in this game anyways.

but our choices that should be addressed really should be the king/queen one is just one of many. 
Hows that elf girl doing as the new noble of the alienage? I never finished any other origin story besides theses 2 so i dont know of any really important choices you could have made but i bet theres one for every one at the very least. 

seriously i think most people are mad because they dont thing the choices they made in DA will have any relevents to DA:A the question we should be asking our selfs is. Did Mass Effect set the bar to high? Are we comparing DA:A to Mass Effect because its a bio ware game? Will we hold other games to that same stander? 

When it comes down to it if i feel that DA:A dosent give my choices i made in DA justice i can always play as a orlesion(doubt i spelled that right). Dragon Age Awakening will be a grate game i will enjoy playing it. You people just need to not hold bioware up like a god i mean dam how many of us have played games with way more flaws then this looks like it might have and still been happy with it. I.E Vampire the masquerade with had more glitchs and saw your NPC duping they any other game i have every played. Diablo-Diablo 2 where they just rewrote the ending of the first game to make a 2nd one. The warcraft universe where they rewright the backstory like every patch. i could go on but why bother you all get the point

[Aidrius]

This is sad, everyone is mad because they cannot have fake sex with fictional toons in a video game...and i here i was thinking the gameplay and story is what made me want to play it. How sad it is that some people will not buy the game because they cannot "continue the relationship they made", my friggin god people you all need to get out more......

[Vim]

noctoi wrote...

Default137 wrote...

Why was this bumped?

They already said if you were in a romance, it will be mentioned by your partner.

They already mentioned that old companions will be making a cameo, including Dog.

And they've already brought back the RtO DLC items, and have mentioned they may do the WK stuff to.

Really, what did people expect with the old companions? None of them really stood out as someone who would stick with the Wardens after the Blight ended, other then 3 small romance options, Dog, and Loghain, who nobody saved.

And yet people seem surprised that Sten won't just drop everything to come help you rebuild the Wardens, or that the Preggers Morrigan won't just get up and run around Ferelden some more with you? Or how about King Alistar, I'm sure he can drop everything on a whim to help you fight intelligent Darkspawn armies and possibly die horribly like his predecessor .

The only possible reason they would stick with you is if Alistar, Leliana, and Zevran came with you to help rebuild, and in that case, rebuilding doesn't always mean running into the Deep Roads swords held high screaming, Alistar and Loghain would be much more useful as trainers for the new Wardens, as both are at that point powerful Warriors in their own right, Zevran and Leliana are scouts, spies, or probably recruiters, as they are both very good at sneaking around, and finding out whats going on.

Just because they won't be in your party doesn't mean they won't be there.

But yeah, I will miss Dog >_>

ok, said before, but not on this thread so here goes... 

A) I have a dog, he is my friend, I do NOT leave him home with someone else while I go off galavanting for months on end. This would go double if he was a trained war dog and i was going off to war. The mabari are inteligent to the point of sentience and he makes a far more satisfying conversation companion than a drunken dwarf, so why would I not bring him along?

I totally agree with you here. It doesn't make sense that Dog isn't in the game from a story continuity perspective.

Alistair has never become king in any of my play-throughs so the expansion completely contradicts my endings, its not a small discrepancy, its a rather large plot hole. If it was going to be so blatently disregarded maybe it should have been thought of before DAO A was written, and patched accordingly.

Your decision regarding Ferelden's ruler in Origins will be respected in Awakening unless you sacrificed your warden and decide you don't want him returned from the dead. There is no option to play a new replacement Orlesian warden and still have your decisions from Origins respected.  That's the one exception.

C) In two of my playthroughs my Char's had an open relationship with Zev and messed around with everyone else on the side so there is no reason that those characters should have any qualms with hitting on new companions. It is a known fact that many people use sex as a re-affirmation of life in situations of extreme pain or violence so I think it pulls down the realism of the game to exclude the ability to at least flirt. Sure, leave out the "romance" if  the patch is only supposed to cover a month or 2 but leave the realism in, there is not need to confuse sexuality with romance... Zev didn't for most of his dialogue lol. It may only make up a tiny portion of the game, unimportant to the main storyline, but it is integral to the realism for many people. If its such a small thing, leave it in!!!

Bioware hasn't stated there won't be any flirting, only that there will not be any full blown romances. Given that there have been plenty of opportunities to flirt with characters for whom romances weren't available in past games. we'll have to wait and see on this one.

D) Fine, leave out the DLC armor.. big woop... But I want my damn gollem!!! Hmph!!  Actually, let me amend that... If i PAID for the DLC, I want to KEEP the DLC. Simple as that. Scrap something I have paid for and I won't pay for it again in future.

I sympathize with you on this one.  (One of the reasons why I've avoided registering the game is to make it easier to resist buying DLC's. The other is to resist the temptation to post to more threads.  ) Nevertheless if you have the pc version, I am  fairly certain someone will figure out a way to transfer most of the DLC items over with the toolset fairly quickly. Shale might be a bit more problematic since he'd need to have entirely new skills created to give him room for growth.  The same goes for dog.

In the end, people who don't care about complete content role playing will still tell people like me to shut up, and we will keep saying the same thing over and over... If i wanted to dungeon hack Id buy the appropriate game, If i want to role play, Ill buy an RPG and expect the same level of interpersonal interaction as DAO. anything less isn't role playing, its a hackfest. If i was playing a table top RPG and my GM did what the dragon age writers did with the lack of reasonable excuses that they show, Id sack my GM and join a new game. 

*end rant*

I'm entirely in agreement with you here. To me it's all about being able to immerse myself in the role-play. The rest is secondary.

Modifié par Vim, 13 mars 2010 - 09:33 .