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[darkmax1974]

Just out of curiosity... anora was married to Callen and when he died, Allister married her (well one of the options anyway).... Isn't that some kind of incess? Or whatever it is called.

[TripLight]

It would only be incest if Anora and Alistair were related by blood, which they are not. So it is acceptable.

[Ameraudur_]

Incest.....No, there has to be a biological relationship. Anora would have been Alistair's sister-in-law, so no problem on that regard. Marrying your brother's wife is kind of creepy, though...

[darkmax1974]

yes well... creepy it may not be, but morally it feels so wrong

[SusanStoHelit]

Normal practice in most parts of the world, whether you're a widow or a divorcee. Both legal and moral. Anora and Alistair are simply not related to each other. That's what the 'in-law' means - a legal relationship, not a biological one.

[Indistinct_Void]

Back in ye olden days, it was literally expected for a widow to marry her deceased husband's brother.

[dkjestrup]

Its also a bit different, it's not exactly like Cailan and Alistar were brought up together.

[Addai]

Alistair agrees with you. If you try to set up the marriage and then back down, he says, "Marry Cailan's widow... how could she even... no, never mind, I'm not going to think about this."

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

Alistair agrees with you. If you try to set up the marriage and then back down, he says, "Marry Cailan's widow... how could she even... no, never mind, I'm not going to think about this."

Yep, and even if it wasn't a bit creepy, it's a marriage made in hell. He was gung-ho to kill her father and she holds him in contempt at very least.

Edit: If you let Loghain live, it's even worse. Not only does he have a wife who neither loves or respects him, but his father-in-law is his worst enemy. Absolute hell.

Modifié par errant_knight, 17 février 2010 - 02:09 .

[CalJones]

It works out very well in the end, though, if you read the epilogue - despite the fact she does remark that he looks so much like Cailan it freaks her out a bit. I usually harden Alistair and spare Loghain - everyone lives, the new king is kept safe from harm during the final stages of the war and Anora is happy that you didn't off her old man.

[sylvanaerie]

For Ferelden its really the best solution in the situation. Alistair and Anora alone make good rulers in different ways (at least hardened Alistair does, I've never left him unhardened. Is there a difference in epilogue tween the two?). Alistair has the "common touch" and is quite eager to learn governance and surprises Anora with how quickly he learns. She has the governing skills he initially lacks allowing the country to bounce back better than it would have with him alone. Anora however seems to lack a certain compassion that affects some of the epilogue stuff at the end.

[Walina]

If you marry Alistair unhardened to Anora, he will never stay at the castle and always wander off.

[spottyblanket]

No--they aren't related. He has just married his brothers wife is all. Speaking of--how do you get them to marry--they changed their minds at the landsmeet!! Does alistar need to be hardened?

[Maria Caliban]

Did you spare Loghain? That would be the problem.

[sylvanaerie]

You can't have Al kill Loghain. Whether Loghain lives or not if you want Anora to marry (either your HNM or Al, you CAN"T have that person kill Loghain). She won't marry her father's murderer. Funniest scenario I did was discuss the marriage prior then have Alistair execute her father. She STILL protested about me not following up on the marriage thing and when I selected it, she turned it down flat...fickle woman.

[master-fluff]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

Normal practice in most parts of the world, whether you're a widow or a divorcee. Both legal and moral. Anora and Alistair are simply not related to each other. That's what the 'in-law' means - a legal relationship, not a biological one.

Not so sure it was normal practice in much of Christendom.  For example, it took a papal dispensation for Henry VIII to marry his brother's widow.  Without it it wouldn't have been considered legitimate under the RC canon law of Affinity. 

That marriage worked out well too

[Helios969]

Indistinct_Void wrote...

Back in ye olden days, it was literally expected for a widow to marry her deceased husband's brother.

Yep, found it researching my family history.  Not only that but they were first cousins.  And that was only a hundred and thirty years ago.  People are trying to apply modern moral standards to an era when it would have been consider immoral not to marry your brother's widow.

[darkmax1974]

no I am not trying to apply modern moral standards. As it is, and constantly being nagged at by my wife, my moral standard is quite antiquated... Anyway, the point is, I'm Chinese, and marrying one's widowed sister-in-law, is fairly frowned upon in our culture in days gone way past.

[Helios969]

Ah, that makes sense. It's much different among older European cultures.

[Vengeful Nature]

They did it all the time in medieval times. Henry VIII's first wife, Katherine of Aragon, was first his brother Arthur's wife.

[Zy-El]

It was also done in Old Testament times. The main idea of having a widow marry the unwed brother-in-law was to allow her to have children to look after her in her old age as well as keeping her in the family.



Well, think about it - how would you feel if your sister-in-law went off and married someone else after your brother died. I'm assuming that she has no children by your deceased brother. Would you still include her in your family gatherings even though technically she has no familial ties any longer? I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with the practice but I can see where it would be practical in less modern times - there was no such thing as social welfare back then and widows were often left destitute. These days, this practice is not necessary because of all the social supports available.

[Jaulen]

the thing about that edict in the Old Testament regarding marrying your brother's widow, was that you were ecpected to procreate with her so that your brother would have heirs. Meaning, ths kids born to your brother's widow, even if fathered by you, would be considered your dead brother's heirs.



Interesting concept!

[Mlow44]

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Alistair agrees with you. If you try to set up the marriage and then back down, he says, "Marry Cailan's widow... how could she even... no, never mind, I'm not going to think about this."

Yep, and even if it wasn't a bit creepy, it's a marriage made in hell. He was gung-ho to kill her father and she holds him in contempt at very least.

Edit: If you let Loghain live, it's even worse. Not only does he have a wife who neither loves or respects him, but his father-in-law is his worst enemy. Absolute hell.

wait... whenever I tried to let Loghain live, Alistair left my group forever. He refused to forgive Loghain's betrayal of the Grey Wardens. how do you get both to stay?

[Jaulen]

Alistair won't stay in the group, so you can't have both Loghain and Alistair fighting for you, Alistair just stays around to become king if you can get him and Anora to marry.

[errant_knight]

If you arranged the marriage in advance, you can get Alistair to go through with it. But it's a mean, mean thing to do to a guy who wants nothing more than a family who love him.

Edit: Oh, I misread.... Yeah, he won't serve along side Loghain--not ever.

Modifié par errant_knight, 17 février 2010 - 07:41 .