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[Herr Uhl]

It's meaner to Anora, everybody thinking about Alastair.



She has to marry someone who looks very similar to her old husband, and acts similarly too. Her new husband wants to kill her father with a passion, who also let her old husband die.



And people get upset that she doesn't hold hands with Alastair.

[SurelyForth]

Herr Uhl wrote...

It's meaner to Anora, everybody thinking about Alastair.

She has to marry someone who looks very similar to her old husband, and acts similarly too. Her new husband wants to kill her father with a passion, who also let her old husband die.

And people get upset that she doesn't hold hands with Alastair.

No one forces her into this arrangement. She's the one who is completely willing to marry a man who looks like her dead husband and who demands her father's execution. Alistair is right about her, she does just want power and she is willing to throw away her own happiness for it.

[CalJones]

The optimum outcome is harden Alistair and have him marry Anora if you spare Loghain. He will leave party but he'll be alive, and king. If you don't harden him, he won't marry her unless you kill Loghain (she won't marry him if he does it).

[Herr Uhl]

SurelyForth wrote...
No one forces her into this arrangement. She's the one who is completely willing to marry a man who looks like her dead husband and who demands her father's execution. Alistair is right about her, she does just want power and she is willing to throw away her own happiness for it.

I say that there is a reason that she may be messed up. It is not her first choice, but she'd go through with it for the good of her country (her mind).

But her heart is void of emotion, of course.

[SurelyForth]

Anora turns on the Warden- the one person who has been holding Ferelden together- for her country. She will marry Alistair because he's a Theirin and it would solidify her claim to the throne.

[Herr Uhl]

And that is not for the country? A Theirin beside her would put down many dissenters.

[SurelyForth]

Herr Uhl wrote...

And that is not for the country? A Theirin beside her would put down many dissenters.

You missed my sarcasm- I don't think Anora does anything totally for her country. If she did, she would not lie at the Landsmeet if the Warden refuses to support her. She knows what her father has been doing, the destruction caused by his actions, and she would support those actions and have the only remaining Grey Wardens executed for not playing her game. How is that good for Ferelden?

I'm not even that anti-Anora.  I understand why she is the way she is, I've made her queen several times, but I have little to no sympathy for her beyond the loss of her husband.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 17 février 2010 - 08:34 .

[Herr Uhl]

I very much saw the sarcasm, thus my answer. That you saw it as a completely selfish act.



It's not an objective thing to see things from her perspective. Here we have two people, who have fought for two years (not sure about time) and have not tried ruling anything. The things they have done to prove themselves are rallying people against the blight (and her father) and being more balanced than her father. If they decide to do a coup d'etat, she is opposed.

[Vicious]

I am confused about one thing. If you go the route where you spare Loghain and have Alistair and Anora marry, who gives the pre-battle speech? And does Loghain, Alistair, Anora, and Eamon appear at the ending celebrations?

I've noted Eamon will not appear unless Alistair is king, but I haven't tried this route.

Modifié par Vicious, 17 février 2010 - 08:49 .

[SurelyForth]

Herr Uhl wrote...

I very much saw the sarcasm, thus my answer. That you saw it as a completely selfish act.

It's not an objective thing to see things from her perspective. Here we have two people, who have fought for two years (not sure about time) and have not tried ruling anything. The things they have done to prove themselves are rallying people against the blight (and her father) and being more balanced than her father. If they decide to do a coup d'etat, she is opposed.

But that's still about her maintaining power, not her thinking about what is good for the country. Ferelden's at civil war, and about to be destroyed by a Blight, and her machinations are completely for the throne (she offers the HN warden Highever, but doesn't talk about military support for the Blight). Yeah, the PC and Alistair aren't rulers, but surely, if she's only in it for the love of country, she would be able to see that the people who have accomplished so much are better for Ferelden than a paranoid man who she knows is being a destructive force.

I am confused about one thing. If you go the route where you spare Loghain and have Alistair and Anora marry, who gives the pre-battle speech? And does Loghain, Alistair, Anora, and Eamon appear at the ending celebrations?

I've noted Eamon will not appear unless Alistair is king, but I haven't tried this route.

Anora.  But I had a glitch where Alistair's voice was present at Castle Redcliffe when Riordan is briefing the PC and Loghain on the darkspawn situation. Anora also gives your eulogy, if you die.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 17 février 2010 - 08:55 .

[Xavier Eledhwen]

Marrying her doesn't creep me out, it would be when they have to seal the deal. ewwwww......

[nYshak]

CalJones wrote...

It works out very well in the end, though, if you read the epilogue - despite the fact she does remark that he looks so much like Cailan it freaks her out a bit. I usually harden Alistair and spare Loghain - everyone lives, the new king is kept safe from harm during the final stages of the war and Anora is happy that you didn't off her old man.

Best ending in terms of Anora + Alistair. I like to think about it this way: many marriages start in heaven and end in hell. But, if you play your cards right with Anora and Alistair (hardening Ali, not killing Loghain to make Anora happy) their marriage might start out bad, but gets better. At least thats what the epilogue suggests.

[Maria13]

Couple of posters have mentioned Henry VIII who was first wed to his elder brother, Arthur's, widow Catherine of Aragon. Aragon (Anora)? Anyway I believe that it is correct that they had to get a papal dispensation for the marriage. This was mainly a political marriage to form an Anglo/Spanish alliance against France, however, Henry and Catherine were happy for a considerable amount of time... but she gave him no male heirs. And Henry now quoting another part of scripture alleged it was because she was previously married to his brother and basically the marriage was incestuous... He was a bit of a hypocrite (!).



btw modern law on incest does include here in the UK non-blood relatives such as step parents and step children.

[Thalorin1919]

I dont think its the right thing to marry Alistair to Anora. I mean, I dont really mind the fact that she is his brothers widow, but he really does despite it even when he is hardened.



She is selfish, and as Alistair has said "Her and her father are alike, where they think they are the only people that can fix things and everyone else just needs to stay out of there way"



Plus, she would betray the Grey Wardens just to gain power in the landsmeet, just like her father did to Cailan.



Also, put yourself in Alistairs shoes. If you were going to be crowned King, wouldnt you want to pick your own Queen? It just seems kind of unfair being married to someone who's father destroyed your beloved order. Plus Anora never provided Cailan an heir, and she was nearly thirty. Which I guess is considered old for medieval times, but whatever.

[ejoslin]

Alistair points out that kings do not have the luxury of marrying whom they want. What is most important at that time is that the country be united, and Alistair and Anora marrying would do that (as would a Cousland marriage to either).

[nYshak]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

I dont think its the right thing to marry Alistair to Anora. I mean, I dont really mind the fact that she is his brothers widow, but he really does despite it even when he is hardened.

She is selfish, and as Alistair has said "Her and her father are alike, where they think they are the only people that can fix things and everyone else just needs to stay out of there way"

Plus, she would betray the Grey Wardens just to gain power in the landsmeet, just like her father did to Cailan.

Also, put yourself in Alistairs shoes. If you were going to be crowned King, wouldnt you want to pick your own Queen? It just seems kind of unfair being married to someone who's father destroyed your beloved order. Plus Anora never provided Cailan an heir, and she was nearly thirty. Which I guess is considered old for medieval times, but whatever.

That's not what the epilogue tells us. And as long as there is no addon or sequel featuring a betraying Anora, hardening Alistair while not killing Loghain and marrying the two is good for Ferelden.

Anoras like her father in that she wants the best for her country. Loghains fault is that he can't see how his actions harm his country instead of protecting it. He sees enemies (Orlesians) everywhere without them being there. Anora on the other hand has not shown such shortcomings.

[errant_knight]

nYshak wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

I dont think its the right thing to marry Alistair to Anora. I mean, I dont really mind the fact that she is his brothers widow, but he really does despite it even when he is hardened.

She is selfish, and as Alistair has said "Her and her father are alike, where they think they are the only people that can fix things and everyone else just needs to stay out of there way"

Plus, she would betray the Grey Wardens just to gain power in the landsmeet, just like her father did to Cailan.

Also, put yourself in Alistairs shoes. If you were going to be crowned King, wouldnt you want to pick your own Queen? It just seems kind of unfair being married to someone who's father destroyed your beloved order. Plus Anora never provided Cailan an heir, and she was nearly thirty. Which I guess is considered old for medieval times, but whatever.

That's not what the epilogue tells us. And as long as there is no addon or sequel featuring a betraying Anora, hardening Alistair while not killing Loghain and marrying the two is good for Ferelden.

Anoras like her father in that she wants the best for her country. Loghains fault is that he can't see how his actions harm his country instead of protecting it. He sees enemies (Orlesians) everywhere without them being there. Anora on the other hand has not shown such shortcomings.

The epilogue only says that their rule is a decent sucess, not that either is happy.

[Maria Caliban]

Herr Uhl wrote...

But her heart is void of emotion, of course.

She's not human; she the Other Woman™.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 février 2010 - 09:01 .

[CalJones]

errant_knight wrote...
The epilogue only says that their rule is a decent sucess, not that either is happy.

Happiness is irrelevant. One hopes that they grow to enjoy each other's company over time, but really, all Alistair needs to do is get her knocked up with an heir  - anything else is a bonus.

[nos_astra]

CalJones wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
The epilogue only says that their rule is a decent sucess, not that either is happy.

Happiness is irrelevant. One hopes that they grow to enjoy each other's company over time, but really, all Alistair needs to do is get her knocked up with an heir  - anything else is a bonus.

The Anora+Alistair pairing is not very likely to produce anything - just like any other pairing.

[CalJones]

Well, we don't know that. For all we know, Anora didn't get pregnant before because Cailan was too busy polishing his sword in the armoury.

It's certainly more likely to produce a child than Al on his own, Anora on her own or Al plus Queen Warden. (The other option is Anora plus Prince Warden - that'd have about the same chance, but then it would be a Theirin).

It's all speculation anyway. We won't know until DA2 or, possibly, another expansion comes along, and even then there's no guarantee we'll learn what happens. So we just have to go with our best guesses.

[errant_knight]

klarabella wrote...

CalJones wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
The epilogue only says that their rule is a decent sucess, not that either is happy.

Happiness is irrelevant. One hopes that they grow to enjoy each other's company over time, but really, all Alistair needs to do is get her knocked up with an heir  - anything else is a bonus.

The Anora+Alistair pairing is not very likely to produce anything - just like any other pairing.

Yep, the lack of fertility is almost surely a future plot point, as it's across the board. In terms of an heir, it doesn't seem to matter who you put on the throne, but Alistair by himself would have the best shot as he can pick a queen who hasn't gone five years without pregnancy, or who is tainted. Even then the odds are against it, and I don't think that's an accident.

[Sir_JacobR]

I noticed that most of the posters on this thread talk of "hardening" Alistair and that allows you to get the ending of : spare Loghain and Anora and Alistair marry, instead of Alistair leaving the group for good. How do I harden Alistair so he doesn't leave the group?

[sylvanaerie]

Sir_JacobR wrote...

I noticed that most of the posters on this thread talk of "hardening" Alistair and that allows you to get the ending of : spare Loghain and Anora and Alistair marry, instead of Alistair leaving the group for good. How do I harden Alistair so he doesn't leave the group?

You can't. You spare Loghain he leaves.  Its just you have a couple options if you spare Loghain with Al before he goes.  One is marrying him to the Ice Queen

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 21 février 2010 - 05:00 .