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[ForceXev]

I've heard it said that all characters can potentially die in ME2 if they are not loyal going in to the mission.  I don't know if that's entirely true.  I've heard some say that even an unloyal Grunt or Zaeed can survive, so I wonder if any of the tougher characters are immune to death in the final act?

Well, assuming that all characters can possibly die, how does that leave Bioware when picking characters for ME3.  Consider, Ashley, Wrex and Kaiden were not included as playable characters in ME2 -- and I think this is because they could have been killed.  I think Bioware felt that it wouldn't be any good to include characters in the main story-line who would just be an empty chair for some players.  How can they justify spending the time and money to record a ton of dialogue for characters who some players might never even see.  Now the situation is that every playable character we've seen could potentially be dead except for Liara. 

I think a lot of people want to see most or all of the ME1 and ME2 characters return in ME3 as recruitable crew, but because of the way they handled the ending of ME2, I don't think we can have very many returning crew, or maybe none except Liara.  What if I got a whole lot of people killed in my play
through?  Unless Bioware plans to introduce a whole new crew of
characters in ME3, there might not be enough characters left in my world to even piece a crew together.

I have some idea of how they might work around the problem I guess, but I'm curious what other people think.  Is it a problem, or is it all part of Bioware's master plan?

[SirHaxelot]

I see no reason why there can't be another deck on the Normandy in ME3 and you can therefore fit a larger squad onto it. There'll be new squad members (probably a couple of new alien races as well) and hopefully no reason as to why there can't be squad members from ME1 and ME2 with you as well.

[StowyMcStowstow]

Memebers in ME3 will be as follows:



Team from ME1 (minus dead ones)

plus

Team from ME2 (minus dead ones)

plus

Newbies from ME3 (minus dead ones... okay not really)

[ForceXev]

There is one reason: cost. That's a lot of voice over work. Plus the more characters you have, the more content you need to add into the game in order to give each character his or her own story arc.



You're right though. They doubled the number of squad mates from ME1 to ME2, so I guess they can always increase the limit again. It's going to be real interesting to see what they do with ME3. Bringing in new crew mates along with carrying over Tali and Garrus (and Liara to some extent) was a no-brainer for ME2, but ME3 will be a different story.

[creininger]

I imagine not all of the characters from ME2 will follow into ME 3. My guess is only Miranda, Tali and Garrus are guaranteed spots in ME3. You have to look at the characters themselves. Even though there were other LIs, they weren't necessarily in love with Shepard and really have no reason to stay, especially Thane and Jack. Thane is dying and Jack is insane. Grunt and Legion could possibly stay as crew, but Legion for sure will be in the third game as nonrecruitable ally. Samara will probably go back to justicaring people to death and Morinth is in that crazy group with no ties to Shepard (plus she can actually kill you).



I'm actually more concerned there will be too many squad members. We have 10 ( not including Zaeed, who will not be in ME3 for sure), plus two carryovers from ME1 (Wrex will likely stay on Tuchanka). That's twelve party members before the game even starts. Granted, you would have to go and recruit Liara and Kaiden/Ashley, but still, people will be looking for new interesting characters for ME3, not the same old dudes we already know.



Personally, I think Liara, Ashley and Kaidan should stay away from Shepard. They're pretty boring people, really. Tali and Garrus were far more interesting, and that earned them spots in ME2. Wrex was fun, but he's old - like 400 something - and wants to unify his people.



In the end, the only ones from ME2 I really want to continue with are Tali, Garrus, Grunt, and Legion. Simply because they are the only ones with no reason to leave.

[JnEricsonx]

I think they can afford another new 5-6 party member voice actors at this point.

[Roxlimn]

ForceXev:



Some of your crew in ME2 are not long-lived or very available. Both Thane and Mordin could be dead within the year anyway. Samara is, by nature, unavailable. She only made herself available for this one mission because she swore an oath to follow you for it, in exchange for aid in doing her duties as a justicar. Zaeed is a merc. He's only temporarily working for Cerberus.



Legion is, well, he's Geth. I think the most problematic characters would be Jacob and Miranda, and you can replace those with same-but-different characters having the same dialogue.

[Welder0]

If dead can be fixed, insane can be fixed.



I'd like to see Jack back, not just because she's good ****, she kicks ****...



Love, or lust for that matter, will find a way...

[Spiratic]

creininger wrote...

I imagine not all of the characters from ME2 will follow into ME 3. My guess is only Miranda, Tali and Garrus are guaranteed spots in ME3. You have to look at the characters themselves. Even though there were other LIs, they weren't necessarily in love with Shepard and really have no reason to stay, especially Thane and Jack. Thane is dying and Jack is insane. Grunt and Legion could possibly stay as crew, but Legion for sure will be in the third game as nonrecruitable ally. Samara will probably go back to justicaring people to death and Morinth is in that crazy group with no ties to Shepard (plus she can actually kill you).

I'm actually more concerned there will be too many squad members. We have 10 ( not including Zaeed, who will not be in ME3 for sure), plus two carryovers from ME1 (Wrex will likely stay on Tuchanka). That's twelve party members before the game even starts. Granted, you would have to go and recruit Liara and Kaiden/Ashley, but still, people will be looking for new interesting characters for ME3, not the same old dudes we already know.

Personally, I think Liara, Ashley and Kaidan should stay away from Shepard. They're pretty boring people, really. Tali and Garrus were far more interesting, and that earned them spots in ME2. Wrex was fun, but he's old - like 400 something - and wants to unify his people.

In the end, the only ones from ME2 I really want to continue with are Tali, Garrus, Grunt, and Legion. Simply because they are the only ones with no reason to leave.

Wrex is much closer to 14-1500 then 400.  Personally I would like to see Liara and Ashley/Kaidan back. Moridin and Thane are least likely to return (both will potentially be dying soon even if they survive the mission), Zaaed is only paid on for the mission, Jacob will probably return, Miranda might, Legion will probably be a npc ally, Samara/Morinth are almost as unlikely as Moridin and Thane, Garrus and Tali should be returning, and I cant see Grunt leaving his battlemaster so he should be in, as far as Jack goes who knows. That would leave us with a crew of  6-8 returning squadmates(if they survived the suicide run), though Moridin may return as an npc on Normandy if he's alive, which should leave room for 4-5 new Squadies.

[boogu168]

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

Memebers in ME3 will be as follows:

Team from ME1 (minus dead ones)
plus
Team from ME2 (minus dead ones)
plus
Newbies from ME3 (minus dead ones... okay not really)

ME3 will most likely be meant for downloading content. I think this is the most likely thing they will be doing. And if your starting a new game with out downloading, I think they will come up with a logical explination. And who is to say you will be shepard. You might be new character. Of course its not the most likely thing but, it may happen.

[ForceXev]

Lots of different opinions.



What I was thinking they could do is to make all of the characters available again (who are still alive) along with a handful of new characters, but to avoid overcrowding your ship you are only able to recruit a limited number of them. That would give players the most freedom, and really add to replayability of the game. And even if you have 8 characters die in the suicide mission (which I've read is the maximum deaths possible while still having Shepherd survive) and killed Wrex in ME1, you can still recruit the four remaining ME2 characters, plus Ash/Kaiden and Liara, plus all of the new ME3 characters to build up a full crew.

[DirewolfX]

I wouldn't be surprised if they make all of the crew stick around. It's the grand finale. Individual character development is going to be more sparse (and/or covered in DLC) as we head towards the final confrontation.



For sure, the LIs are sticking around--from both games. I've heard the devs were hinting at trouble if your Shepard cheated/split with their ME1 LI. (Besides, I don't think these forums could survive not having Tali as a squad mate and LI =P). That's 8 guaranteed squad mates if they survived the suicide mission



Legion - I'd bet he's staying. He's got a thing for Shepard, and I expect the Geth to be major players in ME3. He represents the future of the Geth. Probably a squad mate; definitely an NPC.



Mordin - He doesn't have any compelling reason to stay; but he doesn't have any compelling reason not to, either. He's also the only Salarian we've had in the party and he's funny and popular. On the other hand, he's really old for a Salarian (they rarely live past 40 and he's 50). If there's a long time lapse between two and three, he might not be around. Likewise, he might be an NPC for similar reasons. Potentially replaced by his favorite nephew.



Samara/Morinth - Again, no good reason to stick around. Decent likelihood of being an NPC or cameo in 3.



Wrex - Too busy on Tuchanka (if he's alive). NPC.



Grunt - Strong loyalty to Shepard after his loyalty mission. Good chance he'll stick around as the token Krogan.



Zaeed - DLC character with no real loyalty beyond the mission he was paid to complete. Most likely to be cut for 3. If he is, expect a cameo or a mention on the news (if you imported a save game where he survived).

[marshalleck]

The cost argument is amusing to me, as though 12 NPCs would cost too much to voice.

Bioware has already done a game with a fully-voiced large squad. It's called Mass Effect 2! There's all the proof you need that it's possible. If we lose the DLC characters Zaeed and Kasumi, and bring back Liara and the Virmire pair, that's a net gain of one character over ME2's roster.

Does anyone really think Bioware is going to trim the budget of Mass Effect 3? Not to be rude, but if you believe that, you're delusional.

Modifié par marshalleck, 17 février 2010 - 10:53 .

[Kronner]

Love interests WILL be in the game (maybe only NPC, but still):

Kaidan/Ashley
Liara
Miranda
Jacob
Thane
Tali
Garrus
Jack

So that leaves Wrex, Grunt, Mordin, Zaeed, Samara and Legion. Wrex is probably the most favourite character in the ME universe, I think he will be in (assuming he lives in your game). Grunt should stay, since you are his battlemaster.
Zaeed was just a merc, I think he's not gonna be in ME3. Samara said she would leave after the mission. Mordin and Legion are 50:50.

[GlassRain]

If you took time to read into many of the background stories you'll notice most had some sort of "catch" that would eventually steal them away again. I've no doubt some of the party members will return (Tali/Garrus) but I'm sure a number of them will be going back to business as usual.



DirewolfX touched on some ideas so I won't go into detail but using common sense you can write off nearly all of the crew. If you really put it in perspective though... Bioware KILLED shepard to start ME2, who knows what they will do to kick off ME3 and the repercussions that ensue.

[greghorvath]

Dead characters back in ME3? Why not? We know Lazarus technology is available, and with less damage to the body (and we know the bodies have been salvaged as seen from the coffins after the endgame) it might be considerably cheaper than it was reanimating Shepard. And you would have to make a choice of reviving one or two of the fallen....

[marshalleck]

greghorvath wrote...

Dead characters back in ME3? Why not?

I don't think anyone is seriously asking for dead characters to be revived. They just want characters who survived the mission to be available as squaddies in ME3. If you suicide your whole team in ME2, you get a very small group for the next game. If you save them all, you get a nice selection. Choice and consequence, decisions and actions matter!

[stillnotking]

This has been discussed to death in many threads, and yes I think BW has painted themselves into a corner.  No developer wants to create content that players won't see (and by the way, this is not a "cost" issue per se, but a bang-for-the-buck issue -- there is a finite amount of content in any game, and the devs would rather put resources into stuff that everyone can potentially experience).  Given that they can't expect the player base to go back and replay a game from 2 years ago in order to save everyone that died, it just makes more sense to create new squadmates.

On the other hand, after two games a lot of the characters have a pretty dedicated following.  If Tali or Garrus don't return as squadmates, it's pitchforks-and-torches time.  No developer wants that either.  I'll be interested to see how they resolve the dilemma.

[rabbitchannel]

I doubt it. I don't think Bioware is making up the plot as each game gets made. They probably had the general story from 1-3 planned from the beginning. Given Bioware's experience with games I don't think they would make such a novice decision as planning it as they go only to find out they messed up down the road.

[akseltestdrive4]

rab****annel wrote...

I doubt it. I don't think Bioware is making up the plot as each game gets made. They probably had the general story from 1-3 planned from the beginning. Given Bioware's experience with games I don't think they would make such a novice decision as planning it as they go only to find out they messed up down the road.

Wasn't there some rumors that Shepard was supposed to be revived by the Geth in the first draft. There was a lot of voicework for things that can't be done without cheating. Eg. Legion on Purgatory. I think they might have a general guideline, but things will get switched around. 

The LIs will be definitely returning from what the devs said. Ashley/Kaiden will likely be NPCs seeing as it's going to be difficult programming a full fledged character based on what people did in game 1. Can you imagine going through a 4 to 6 year old game just to make see something differenet happening?

Liara would probably return as she's a common LI.

[Inverness Moon]

I'd want two new squad mates in ME3 at the most, with one of those being Kal'Reegar. I want all other squad mates to be from ME1 or ME2. As long as I have Legion, Garrus, and Tali, I'll be satisfied.

That also means if you got 75% of your squad mates killed in ME2, you're not going to have much variety in squad mates.

I've also maintained that even if Legion died in ME2, I'm sure he would have a backup of himself someone on the Normandy or in a geth archive that could be restored to a new body that you would acquire from a geth station orbiting the quarian homeworld or something, a place that you visit as part of the quarian and geth situation.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 17 février 2010 - 02:09 .

[Madame November]

um...Project Lazarus?

[Madame November]

[Ender1221]

I can see the devs putting Wrex in as a party member to reward those who imported ME1 files. Since Wrex is dead by default in a new ME2 game, they could give him a small part and make him playable for ppl who played the first game, imported, then beat the second game. It would also make a lot of people new to Mass Effect go back and buy the first game.



On a side note, I LOVE your sig, November Cousland.