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[Ajspeed]

Well its been established in ME2 that the Geth who attacked you in the first game were Heretics of the main way of Geth thinking and you could choose to destroy them or change there views, but from what Legion tells you if you talk to him that the Geth Dont really want to Hurt anyone the just want to become great on their own accord and that they would only want to destroy the quarians and vise versa because of a creation going wrong

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Yeah, the True Geth really are only a threat to the Quarians and that is only because the Quarians insist on being hostile.

[HomicidialFrog]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Yeah, the True Geth really are only a threat to the Quarians and that is only because the Quarians insist on being hostile.

This, the Geth aren't a threat to anybody and the Quarians are a threat to themselves for going to war with the Geth, the Geth aren't even a threat to the Quarians unless they attack the Geth resulting in a war.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

There are three people in this thread so far who never played Mass Effect 1.

Modifié par Dr. Peter Venkman, 17 février 2010 - 03:18 .

[blank1]

The Geth don't even really want to become "great." They just want to build their super-terminal, so all Geth can plug in, resulting in the Geth achieving their maximum level of intelligence. Of course, they'd want to defend themselves... but Legion expressed that there is no hostility felt towards the Quarians. In fact, they are perplexed about their decision to attempt to eradicate them in what they call the "Morning War." That is one of the reasons why Legion was sent by the Geth into space held by organics -- they want to better understand them.

[blank1]

We don't even know if the Geth are capable of waging a war against Organics. Though its easy to be paranoid, if the Geth had some uber-fleet, they wouldn't consider the "creator threat" a threat, with their motley crew of centuries old ships, most of which aren't even military ships.

Modifié par blank1, 17 février 2010 - 03:22 .

[blank1]

double

Modifié par blank1, 17 février 2010 - 03:22 .

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

There are three people in this thread so far who never played Mass Effect 1.

Who?!? 

I played ME1, I know what I'm talking about. Those Geth that were w/ Saren were all heretics.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

blank1 wrote...

We don't even know if the Geth are capable of waging a war against Organics. Though its easy to be paranoid, if the Geth had some uber-fleet, they wouldn't consider the "creator threat" a threat, with their motley crew of centuries old ships, most of which aren't even military ships.

Given how much trouble the heretics caused and they were only 5% of the Geth population I'd say that the Geth are very well capable of waging a war against organics if they wished.. especially as their bases don't even have to be located near star systems and they can build bases in the terminus between galactic arms.

[Xerxes52]

Recruitable faction for ME3!



I could see ME3 going down the Dragon Age route: recruit armies from across the galaxy (Ferelden) to fight the Reapers (Darkspawn) and end their 50,000 year (every few centuries) cycle of destruction.

[Decamper]

LostScout wrote...

 And what if the higher order runtimes come to a new consensus? I would consider them a potential threat, it might be a good idea to keep an eye on them.

Any race could be suspect then, as any leaders could decide it would be in their best interests to start a war.

Modifié par Decamper, 17 février 2010 - 03:26 .

[HomicidialFrog]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

There are three people in this thread so far who never played Mass Effect 1.

There's one person in this thread who hasn't recruited Legion and talked to him about the Geth. <_<
 

[Frotality]

theyre a threat to trespassers i would imagine. still, legion makes them out to be very forgiving of all the races who want them to be nothing but dead.

i sense deception..if he's even capable of that. they may not be as niave as legion makes them out to be about organic ways.... though that would make his entire character a lie...so im gonna the little guy on this.

seeing as they were content to stay in seclusion until nazara came and screwed their social balance over to get some cannon fodder heretics, id say they harbour no real ill will to any species as a whole; legion isnt even hostile towards tali or any quarians on her mission.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

There
are three people in this thread so far who never played Mass Effect
1.

There's one person in this thread who hasn't recruited
Legion and talked to him about the Geth. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]
 

Because heretics aren't Geth, right? <_<

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

There are three people in this thread so far who never played Mass Effect 1.

Who?!? 

I played ME1, I know what I'm talking about. Those Geth that were w/ Saren were all heretics.

Heretics are still Geth. Furthermore, the consequences of the re-write are still unknown. And as already noted above by another poster, "true" Geth going off in their own direction doesn't mean that they will always be at peace with the rest of the galaxy.

Modifié par Dr. Peter Venkman, 17 février 2010 - 03:31 .

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...
Heretics are still Geth.

Now you're being nitpicky, I'm sure the OP was asking were Geth as a whole a threat to anyone but the Quarians. In which they are not.  

Furthermore, the consequences of the re-write are still unknown.

'kay, doesn't mean the Geth are a threat to all organics.

And as already noted above by another poster, "true" Geth going off in their own direction doesn't mean that they will always be at peace with the rest of the galaxy.

True, they are a potential threat. No one ever denied this. The same applies to the Krogan, Rachni, Turians, Salarians, Humans, etc. 

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...
Now you're being nitpicky, I'm sure the OP was asking were Geth as a whole a threat to anyone but the Quarians. In which they are not.

Heretics are still Geth.

'kay, doesn't mean the Geth are a
threat to all organics.

They certainly were in ME1, despite only 5% of the entire population being actively hostile. This same 5% can still be around in ME3 based on a player's decision, and this does not even address the issue of the rest of the Geth population having problems with organics somewhere down the line.

True,
they are a potential threat. No one ever denied this. The same applies
to the Krogan, Rachni, Turians, Salarians, Humans, etc. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png

The Geth's navy trounces all other in size and sheer numbers. The same might be said in the technology department. The Krogan are a broken people that Wrex is trying to rebuild. The Rachni are the same OR they are completely wiped out. I don't see any valid reason for Turians, Salarians, or Humans to begin duking it out.

In all honesty, the common cold is the greatest threat to the Quarians. They are flying around in junk vessels.

Modifié par Dr. Peter Venkman, 17 février 2010 - 03:43 .

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...
Heretics are still Geth.

They certainly were in ME1, despite only 5% of the entire population being actively hostile. This same 5% can still be around in ME3 based on a player's decision,

You're still abusing the language used by the OP, claiming he was asking "Are any of the Geth a threat to anyone other than the Quarians", despite the fact that usually when someone asks such a question they are asking "Are ALL Geth a threat to anyone other than the Quarians".

It's just as bad as saying that because some elderly are the cause of fatal motorvehicle accidents, all elderly folks are an active threat to pedestrian safety.

I don't see any valid reason for Turians, Salarians, or Humans to begin duking it out

You don't see any valid reason? And why is that? If we're arguing immediately you're right, there doesn't seem to be a valid reason for those races to be a threat to the rest of the galaxy, however you don't know what could happen in the future regarding politics, military power, and population. Thus, all are potential threats.

Modifié par Mikazukinoyaiba2, 17 février 2010 - 03:44 .

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

You're right.

[Empiro]

Not all Geth in ME 1 were heretics. In the Geth incursion missions, you also fought them, and they were specifically not a part of Saren's group, which is why their data was important to Tali. Those Geth were outside of the Veil, and also quite hostile.

I'm not sure why everyone trusts what Legion says either. He could easily be lying. Just because someone is cool doesn't mean they can't also be liars either.

[Soothsayer2377]

Yeah, Geth Incursions didn't really fit with anything Legion was saying. I was slightly disappointed I couldn't quiz him over it.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Empiro wrote...
Not all Geth in ME 1 were heretics. In the Geth incursion missions, you also fought them, and they were specifically not a part of Saren's group, which is why their data was important to Tali. Those Geth were outside of the Veil, and also quite hostile.

Was it ever confirmed that those Geth weren't Heretics? I don't think so. If they were hostile, it isn't a surprise given that you came running in shooting. Defending your base is basic response.

I'm not sure why everyone trusts what Legion says either. He could easily be lying. Just because someone is cool doesn't mean they can't also be liars either.

The problem with the assumption "_______ could be lying" is that you could assume that about every character, I could dismiss everything about Ardat-Yashi and Justicars because Samara is lying to me. I could dismiss everything Grunt and Wrex say about the Krogan because they could be lying. I could dismiss everything Mordin said about his simulations because he could be lying.

Modifié par Mikazukinoyaiba2, 17 février 2010 - 04:07 .

[.primus]

They are true A.I. enough said.

[Empiro]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Empiro wrote...
Not all Geth in ME 1 were heretics. In the Geth incursion missions, you also fought them, and they were specifically not a part of Saren's group, which is why their data was important to Tali. Those Geth were outside of the Veil, and also quite hostile.

Was it ever confirmed that those Geth weren't Heretics? I don't think so. If they were hostile, it isn't a surprise given that you came running in shooting. Defending your base is basic response.

The fact that Tali never says anything during the mission to suggest otherwise, and the fact that she accepted your data (and never says anything in ME2 about it being bad) implies they were normal Geth. Given no evidence to the contrary, it's more than reasonable to suspect that they weren't heretics.

The problem with the assumption "_______ could be lying" is that you could assume that about every character, I could dismiss everything about Ardat-Yashi and Justicars because Samara is lying to me. I could dismiss everything Grunt and Wrex say about the Krogan because they could be lying. I could dismiss everything Mordin said about his simulations because he could be lying.

In all your other examples, there's at least some in-game evidence to back up the claims, and the characters generally have less motivation to lie:

a) You can see what happens if you try to mate with an Ardat-Yashi yourself.
Grunt and Wrex don't really say all that much about all Krogans other than being affected by the Genophage, which is pretty clear in the game.
c) What simulations? If you're talking about the stuff about the seeker swarms, then clearly he wasn't lying or you'd be dead on Horizon.

Right now, there's no hard evidence in-game about the true motivations and nature of the Geth other than what we get from Legion. For all we  know, they could be building a superweapon that will wipe out all organic life.

Modifié par Empiro, 17 février 2010 - 04:33 .