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[Aiken Drum]

Time for a few words from Stephen Fry, he sums it up far better than I ever could



"The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or of a lack of verbal interest is just ****ing lunatic, or they say, 'It's not necessary.' As if that should stop one doing it. Things not being necessary is what makes life interesting."

[StraightEdgeUK]

Seem to be some harsh replies on this topic - the original poster was only suggesting an option to turn it off so they could show people that might be offended by it. They weren't objecting themselves.

Anyways, imo, there are no bad words, just bad intentions.

A lack of cursing in ME2 would also have meant we'd lose some cracking lines of dialogue. One of my favourites from Jack (paraphrasing).

"Nobody's ever asked me about this stuff before. Feels weird talking about it. So **** you. And thanks for asking"

[Iokastos]

Swearing (when appropriate and in-character) just makes everything more realistic



"OMG he said F**k!!" imho is quite prudish and immature

[CardonT]

w00t?

and for everyone who cant stand the swearing

Modifié par CardonT, 17 février 2010 - 11:50 .

[Haunther]

I'd recommend showing them 'Ratchet and Clank' instead.



What bothers me about this topic is that you think your family would be happy to see "simulated" killings, but not swear words coming from the killers mouth.



Soldier killing = Okay?

Soldier swearing = SO NOT COOL MAN!!!



lols

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Having no swearing in Mass Effect would be like having 24 without Jack Bauer yelling DAMMIT! at least once per episode. It just wouldn't work.

[ToJKa1]

Haunther wrote...

I'd recommend showing them 'Ratchet and Clank' instead.

Wouldn't work, in the end of 2 there was a line "What the *BEEP* is going on?!"

[Jarcander]

Funny. I didn't even notice the swearing until I read this topic.

[tsd16]

haha I never get over this.



Mass slaughter and death, OK!

a couple of F-bombs, a PG-13 sexual situation, Unacceptable tasteless trash!



Our society never ceases to amaze me.

[ZennExile]

I don't find it amazing I find it disturbing. If people can't overcome their own delusions about reality how can we ever exepct to survive as a species? Swearing? Really? It's the muther ****ing 21st century. Cursed words do not bring about the demons of the curse. It's proven. Get the **** over it. And while yer at it stop saying "bless you" when someone sneezes. They don't have the plague. Oh and grow the **** up.

[NoShtSherlock]

Luc0s wrote...

NoShtSherlock wrote...

@sky ferrett
I agreethere is too much cursing in the game and ignore the petty wise cracks from
some of these other gamers.  There is no need for cursing to put a point
across in my opinion and this cursing was put in to shock and make characters
seem tough and nasty.



A person or a character that need to curse to get a point across lacks the
intellectual vocabulary to voice their opinions or thoughts in any situation,
debate or discussion.  Again this cursing
in the game is another shock value instance within this game.[/b]

Bull****.

Jack wouldn't be the same without cursing. I mean, given Jack's position, do you really think she could care less about vocabulary? She's a psychopathic ex-gangster criminal with ruthless, nasty friends in her past.

Besides, swearing is a good way to blow of steam. I know I feel a whole lot better after a bunch of nasty swearing when I'm really f*cking angry.

Your language is lovely-_- Do you kiss your mother with that mouth.  I disagree I think that if the characteristics and personality of Jack had been better written she still could have come across as mean, nasty and angry without the use of swearing.  It's very clear to me that you can't debate or discuss in an intellectual manner and therefore there is nothing else to say to you other than I disagree with all your points

[NoShtSherlock]

[quote]scrappydoo555 wrote...

[quote]NoShtSherlock wrote...

@sky ferrett
I agreethere is too much cursing in the game and ignore the petty wise cracks from
some of these other gamers.  There is no need for cursing to put a point
across in my opinion and this cursing was put in to shock and make characters
seem tough and nasty.



A person or a character that need to curse to get a point across lacks the
intellectual vocabulary to voice their opinions or thoughts in any situation,
debate or discussion.  Again this cursing
in the game is another shock value instance within this game.[/b]



[/quote]

I don't think the sht word is particularly a bad word the language I am
speak of mainly is the use of the F word which isn't need and another
poor attempt to shock the audience/gamers in my opinion.

Modifié par NoShtSherlock, 17 février 2010 - 02:00 .

[yummysoap]

Aria's the only time the F-bomb felt even a little out of place.

Jack just makes it sound so casual...

Anyway I'm glad amidst your headshotting, interrogations, stabbing mechanics in the back with a space screwdriver, and explosions you were able to sit back and uncover the true atrocity of the game. The f*ck word.

Modifié par yummysoap, 17 février 2010 - 02:00 .

[tsd16]

Luc0s wrote...

NoShtSherlock wrote...

@sky ferrett
I agreethere is too much cursing in the game and ignore the petty wise cracks from
some of these other gamers.  There is no need for cursing to put a point
across in my opinion and this cursing was put in to shock and make characters
seem tough and nasty.



A person or a character that need to curse to get a point across lacks the
intellectual vocabulary to voice their opinions or thoughts in any situation,
debate or discussion.  Again this cursing
in the game is another shock value instance within this game.[/b]

Bull****.

Jack wouldn't be the same without cursing. I mean, given Jack's position, do you really think she could care less about vocabulary? She's a psychopathic ex-gangster criminal with ruthless, nasty friends in her past.

Besides, swearing is a good way to blow of steam. I know I feel a whole lot better after a bunch of nasty swearing when I'm really f*cking angry.

For real, they are just trying to portray how a character is, and this character curses.

This is frequently used in modern movies (not so much older films) Take something like Saving Private Ryan. when I saw that movie in the theatre in highschool, the thing that surprised me the most, was they talked like that back then? Because you had such censored media back in the day, the only gauge alot of people have for what day to day life was really like was through media.  I figured all those old movies up until then were an accurate representation of what people were like back in the 40's/50's.  Until I discovered some of my grandfathers joke books, and had my mom tell me when he was around his friends the F bomb was thrown around as much as "it" and "the".

Bioware simply wanted to tell it like it is, and it would surprise me if someone like Jack or Aria didnt curse.

Cursing in some situations is very necessesary.  It accentuates seriousness or a sense of urgency, from a character that is likely to use it.

[scrappydoo555]

I'm surprised people take the issue of swearing so seriously. but really it's more about the context than the actual words. Our language is constantly evolving and words continue to change their meaning so censorship is really a waste of time. Ban one swear word and another gets used in it's place untill we end up with no variety in the way we can talk to each other. Swearing in the context of a dark story like ME2 I find totally acceptable, swearing in jokes is funny as hell same with swearing if you stub your toe, but swearing at someone in a tirade of abuse, not so acceptable.

[Bron Avery]

Don't care, inappropriateness is never a problem for me, like this:

[NoShtSherlock]

TheOtherWind wrote...

I definitely could have done without the profanity to be honest. Added more to the gears of war in space feeling I was already getting. Star wars did just fine without profanity and I don't see why ME can't.

I agree with you and don't have a problem with words like sht and such but did there need to be so much of the F word that was the problem I had

[tsd16]

NoShtSherlock wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

NoShtSherlock wrote...

@sky ferrett
I agreethere is too much cursing in the game and ignore the petty wise cracks from
some of these other gamers.  There is no need for cursing to put a point
across in my opinion and this cursing was put in to shock and make characters
seem tough and nasty.



A person or a character that need to curse to get a point across lacks the
intellectual vocabulary to voice their opinions or thoughts in any situation,
debate or discussion.  Again this cursing
in the game is another shock value instance within this game.[/b]

Bull****.

Jack wouldn't be the same without cursing. I mean, given Jack's position, do you really think she could care less about vocabulary? She's a psychopathic ex-gangster criminal with ruthless, nasty friends in her past.

Besides, swearing is a good way to blow of steam. I know I feel a whole lot better after a bunch of nasty swearing when I'm really f*cking angry.

Your language is lovely-_- Do you kiss your mother with that mouth.  I disagree I think that if the characteristics and personality of Jack had been better written she still could have come across as mean, nasty and angry without the use of swearing.  It's very clear to me that you can't debate or discuss in an intellectual manner and therefore there is nothing else to say to you other than I disagree with all your points

Bioware tries to infuse our culture with a futuristic setting.  In our culture alot of people throw out F bombs every sentence.  This game is rather tame considering.  Plenty PLENTY of modern films have far far more cursing than this game, do they suffer the same criticism of you?

It doesnt matter if its necessary to get the point across, they are trying to TELL IT HOW IT IS, not tell it in the most clean manner possible.

and seriously your name is NoShtSherlock and your complaining about cursing?

[EternalWolfe]

NoShtSherlock wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

NoShtSherlock wrote...

@sky ferrett
I agreethere is too much cursing in the game and ignore the petty wise cracks from
some of these other gamers.  There is no need for cursing to put a point
across in my opinion and this cursing was put in to shock and make characters
seem tough and nasty.



A person or a character that need to curse to get a point across lacks the
intellectual vocabulary to voice their opinions or thoughts in any situation,
debate or discussion.  Again this cursing
in the game is another shock value instance within this game.[/b]

Bull****.

Jack wouldn't be the same without cursing. I mean, given Jack's position, do you really think she could care less about vocabulary? She's a psychopathic ex-gangster criminal with ruthless, nasty friends in her past.

Besides, swearing is a good way to blow of steam. I know I feel a whole lot better after a bunch of nasty swearing when I'm really f*cking angry.

Your language is lovely-_- Do you kiss your mother with that mouth.  I disagree I think that if the characteristics and personality of Jack had been better written she still could have come across as mean, nasty and angry without the use of swearing.  It's very clear to me that you can't debate or discuss in an intellectual manner and therefore there is nothing else to say to you other than I disagree with all your points

I disagree with you.  Jack is a convict, an ex-gangster, cultists, murderer, vandilist, pirate, ect, ect.  Anyone in this position would naturally be using swear words.  She doesn't overuse them, like some people I know, she throws them out just as casually and in place, as we do other words.  It has nothing to do with 'writing', its about showing a character for who she really is, rather then ignoring cultural things like swearing that would normally be picked up.

As it is, its a Mature game, 17+.  Truth be told, I doubt very much that swear has much 'shock value' for the intended audience, except people like you who seem personally affronted that people might speak in that way(just like they do in real life, that is).  There was fairly little cursing in the game actually, in compared to real life, and most of it was done by people who would normally do it, or to certain events which might bring it out on people who don't.

I curse.  I'm also highly intelligent.  I swear because its the culture I was brought up in.  I hear it all the time, and far, far, worse then ME2 ever was, and I use it because it seems natural to me.  So swearing has nothing to do with intelligence, it has to do with culture.

[ZennExile]

Any delusion about the proper way to communicate is wrong by default. There is no "appropriate" there is only perception. If "you" are offended by how someone else communicates that is "your" problem.

Forcing delusional thinking on others by perpetuating delusional beliefs is as useless as any "curse" word could ever be in any context.

Aside from the inherent social retardation, delusional notions of propriety are childish fantasy at best. Cultural brainwashing is the result of a weak and undeveloped mind. In other words it is far less than mature to hold firm to a belief that what you think is "proper" means more than a flying F**k on a rolling donut to anyone but you.

No two people think alike and the only barrier to communication is this notion of how people "should" communicate thoughts to one another. If there were fewer jackasses in the world trying to preach what's "proper" to everyone else there would be much greater understanding between social entities.

[Jarcander]

ZennExile wrote...

Any delusion about the proper way to communicate is wrong by default. There is no "appropriate" there is only perception. If "you" are offended by how someone else communicates that is "your" problem.

So being a retard in public is okay if you think that's the way everyone should act? Oh dear.

[durasteel]

People who get uptight about particular words are ridiculous.  There is no stigma associated with the words excrement, fewmets, droppings, scat, or poo.  Even crap is pretty commonly excepted.  We single out one word, a synonym for each of the previous, and call it "dirty" and "bad language."

Similarly, I can say fornicate, copulate, exchange of bodily fluids, sodomize, impregnate, conjugal visit, make the beast with two humps, intercourse, and even (gasp!) sex.  Again, there is a synonym so horrific that it must be referred to as "the F bomb."

Clearly the issue is not with the meaning of the word, or the concept communicated by its use.  Some people just have problems with the words themselves, for no other reason than they've been told that these words are naughty.  I suspect these people have difficulty thinking for themselves.

The use of profanity and vulgarity in language adds color to the palate of expression.  It can very effectively be used for emphasis or nuance, and I believe that it was used thus in Mass Effect 2.  If you are so delicate that you are damaged by hearing "dirty" words, then perhaps you need to stick with games rated "E for Everyone."  If you can handle seeing sentient beings shot with incendiary ammunition, catch on fire, die, and blow away as ashes, then you can damn well stomach some harsh language.

Grow up.

[boardnfool86]

well this is page 5, but if you read this... the amount of swearing in ME2 is significantly toned down, if the game was real there would be constant cursing. Mercs and soldiers swear constantly, you run into a lot of bad people, frequently dialog sounds slightly childish because the lack of an expletive

[DarthCaine]

Rated M for Mature

I mean, who didn't laugh at Joker's: ****, ****, ****, ****!

IMO there wasn't enough profanity, and there should be more

Modifié par DarthCaine, 17 février 2010 - 04:50 .