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[jklinders]

Love these puritanical values. let us go over the list of things that may be objectionable here.



1 genocide, hmmm, nasty but I can deal with it.

2 freedom to be physically abusive to scared innocent workers and the press, bah whatever.

3 killing people by the dozen with an efficiency that a seasoned spec ops soldier would envy,heck ya

4 every now and again someone drops an f-bomb(in the voice of Heather Lovejoy from the Simpsons) OH WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN.





Priorities please?

[Pauravi]

NoShtSherlock wrote...

I disagree I think that if the characteristics and personality of Jack had been better written she still could have come across as mean, nasty and angry without the use of swearing.

But it simply wouldn't have been realistic.
You would expect a dangerous convict, raised without morality or love and befriended only by uneducated criminals, to swear a lot.  If she doesn't her character simply isn't believable.  Making her mean and angry isn't the only point; the point is to make her act like you would EXPECT her to if she were a real person.  If you don't expect somebody with Jack's background to do a bit of swearing, then you are incredibly and hilariously naive.

[Zhijn]

Havnt read a single reply in this topic, but i thought id mention this anyway.

MATURE
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

Should provide you and anyone else with enough information of what will occure in that game/movie.
And you should be able to make an inform decision on whether or not your nervs can handle it. Pretty simple.

We aint living in the 1930's anymore. "You" need to come to term with yourself that the language of how friends, foes and strangers communicate is changing. Mass Effect handles this pretty well if you ask me.

I wonder if any of you ever tried GTA4, i think your heads would implode. Heh.

Censorship? Dont get me started. 

Modifié par Zhijn, 18 février 2010 - 12:50 .

[Invalidcode]

To parents that have young kids:

ESRB (United states, Euro have their own rating system, I think it is pegi) have detailed  rating of a game, it is listed on their web site.
http://www.esrb.org/

ME2 detail: http://www.esrb.org/...d=mass effect 2

Also on the box their is a very easy to notice label (digital version have it too), next to the 'M' there are notes too: Blood, Drug references, Sexual content, Strong language, Violence

Some people don't like cussing, but the game got enough fair warning about it. So next time you want to buy a M rated game but don't want to risk your kid to see/hear something you don't want them to, you could check ESRB first.

Modifié par Invalidcode, 18 février 2010 - 12:41 .

[jklinders]

One more thing. Do we really need extra months and development money being devoted to a toggle that less than 5% of people would actually bother using. Cussing is part of the language. Jack would be completely unrealistic if she did not cuss. Besides the f-bomb is not even the worst word. The word for vagina that rhymes with punt is not one you will catch me using, least of all in female company. Bad language boils down to being a matter of taste.



Stop expecting the whole world to bow down to your preference.

[CanadAvenger]

Have not read this whole topic, but here is what I think of this:

Mass Effect 2 is rated 'M' for Mature for the following:

• Blood
• Drug Reference
• Sexual Content
• Strong Language
• Violence

It is clearly outlined in the ESRB rating that there will be strong language. I know some people in the world get highly offended by it (for some reason) but if that's the case, then don't get the game.
A censored dialogue option would be too hard to do, because they would literally have to record 2 separate lines of dialogue for each character that uses the "strong language". Not to mention that it would change the game entirely, making it less serious and more "friendly".

The only complaint that I have with the cursing is that there was not enough of it, and that non-humans (Aria) used them. (IMO words like f*** would not translate into a different species language very well)
In the REAL WORLD, people curse all the time, every day. It has become so common that practically nobody cares anymore, and the only people who really do are overly-religious types, and over-sheltering parents.
Sure, it makes you unprofessional in say, a customer service setting, because cursing has its limitations.
TBH, in ME2, the cursing needs to increase (just a little) for use with Human characters, particularly in the military setting. I have lived on a military base most of my life, and trust me, they curse EVERY DAY, ALL THE TIME.

To those that do not even bother to care about ESRB ratings and why they exist, (don't make me bring out the GTA: San Andreas thing.....) then you should have no comment. If people's parents or whatever have an issue withe the cursing in the game, then, tough. It says "Strong Language" in the bloody ESRB rating, so that doesn't mean "poop" and "darn", etc.

Get over it people, come on...<_<

Modifié par CanadAvenger, 18 février 2010 - 12:51 .

[jamskinner]

This all boils down to morals. Some people are not bothered by cussing, others are. What i don't get is why people have to crap on a person for asking for an "option". I had a thread on this very subject and it was inundated just like this one.

There is nothing wrong with "requesting" an option. As I was told last year by Bioware it wasn't going to happen so late in development.

There is nothing wrong about requesting it now though for ME3. It is not going to hurt anyone who doesn't use it. They can hear all the cussing they want.



P.S. Despite what people may think cussing and violence/sex/whatever are different. Just because one bothers you doesn't mean the others have too. I don't like baseball. It doesn't mean I don't like basketball though. Are the two sports related? Yes. Are they the same? No.

[Prophet of Rage]

hahahaha omg



Hearing the F word like 3 times and the S word from joker during his little sequence is "Strong Language" by nobody's standards.



I DON'T GIVE A VORCHAS ASS, GUIZE

[jamskinner]

Prophet of Rage wrote...

hahahaha omg

Hearing the F word like 3 times and the S word from joker during his little sequence is "Strong Language" by nobody's standards.

I DON'T GIVE A VORCHAS ASS, GUIZE

It is according to the ESRB.  Look it up.

[CanadAvenger]

jamskinner wrote...

This all boils down to morals. Some people are not bothered by cussing, others are. What i don't get is why people have to crap on a person for asking for an "option". I had a thread on this very subject and it was inundated just like this one.
There is nothing wrong with "requesting" an option. As I was told last year by Bioware it wasn't going to happen so late in development.
There is nothing wrong about requesting it now though for ME3. It is not going to hurt anyone who doesn't use it. They can hear all the cussing they want.

P.S. Despite what people may think cussing and violence/sex/whatever are different. Just because one bothers you doesn't mean the others have too. I don't like baseball. It doesn't mean I don't like basketball though. Are the two sports related? Yes. Are they the same? No.

I never said that there was anything wrong with requesting an option, just that it would be hard (and probably not practical) to do. Mainly because of the ESRB ratings, and the fact that people that strongly dislike the cursing would probably be a minority.

[smudboy]

Censorship?



I want more boobs, bombs, body parts, penises, vaginas, blood splatter, artificial blood splatter, sexual intercourse, people swearing during sexual intercourse while shooting bombs with phallic heat seeking missile launchers that have swear words written all over them.



All the while not trying as hard as Jack to be a badass.

[HAGA NAGA]

smudboy wrote...

Censorship?

I want more boobs, bombs, body parts, penises, vaginas, blood splatter, artificial blood splatter, sexual intercourse, people swearing during sexual intercourse while shooting bombs with phallic heat seeking missile launchers that have swear words written all over them.

approved.

[Thornquist]

Funny thing is, I never got the grasp of why english-speaking countries have the "curse" words they have.

The people who are most offended by curse words, are the older generation, conservatives and religious people - in the western society - mostly christians.



In my country, no one uses words like "sh-it" or "fu-ck" because, you would sound like a idiot.



As a christian, the only words you should take offense to, are the words of your God, used without the respect and authority it deserves.



I dunno, I just wonder why people in the US dont react to people saying "Oh my God", or "Jesus Christ" - but flips about stupid words about sexual acts and excrements..

[EternalWolfe]

Thornquist wrote...

Funny thing is, I never got the grasp of why english-speaking countries have the "curse" words they have.
The people who are most offended by curse words, are the older generation, conservatives and religious people - in the western society - mostly christians.

In my country, no one uses words like "sh-it" or "fu-ck" because, you would sound like a idiot.

As a christian, the only words you should take offense to, are the words of your God, used without the respect and authority it deserves.

I dunno, I just wonder why people in the US dont react to people saying "Oh my God", or "Jesus Christ" - but flips about stupid words about sexual acts and excrements..

It's cutural conditioning.  People are taught as children that this word is wrong, this word shouldn't be said.  This carries over into their adult lives and they find these words offensive because they have been told it is offensive.

As for the words, there are christians who flip out over Oh my God and Jesus Christ.  Also, Damn and Hell are considered 'curse' words(hell less so) from Christianity(again, brought in by cultural conditioning).  Speaking of sex and excrement is considered 'improper', so cruder words, **** and **** for example, are seen as extremely rude and offensive.  It doesn't help that people started using the words to BE rude and offensive, which only solidfies the conditioning.

Or, in simpler terms, these words are considered offensive because we were told they were.  Not all of us are conditioned to it, but society as a whole seems to consider it that way.

Edit: Wasn't thinking about it, but does anyone else find that a forums for a Mature rated game is censored?

Modifié par EternalWolfe, 18 février 2010 - 03:05 .

[Skavau]

NoShtSherlock wrote...


As I've said before and I hate repeating myself words like sht I don't have a problem with its the F word that I have the problem with, does that clear things up.

Yeah it does clear it up. You're a hypocrite.

[AM50]

EternalWolfe wrote...

AM50 wrote...

I didn't mind the swearing too much. But some of Jack's lines felt like they just threw it in there with no purpose.

Which lines?

Some of her random lines. And if you dump her the F* off line is a little unnecessary. IT fits her personality but still.

[ZennExile]

EternalWolfe wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

Funny thing is, I never got the grasp of why english-speaking countries have the "curse" words they have.
The people who are most offended by curse words, are the older generation, conservatives and religious people - in the western society - mostly christians.

In my country, no one uses words like "sh-it" or "fu-ck" because, you would sound like a idiot.

As a christian, the only words you should take offense to, are the words of your God, used without the respect and authority it deserves.

I dunno, I just wonder why people in the US dont react to people saying "Oh my God", or "Jesus Christ" - but flips about stupid words about sexual acts and excrements..

It's cutural conditioning.  People are taught as children that this word is wrong, this word shouldn't be said.  This carries over into their adult lives and they find these words offensive because they have been told it is offensive.

As for the words, there are christians who flip out over Oh my God and Jesus Christ.  Also, Damn and Hell are considered 'curse' words(hell less so) from Christianity(again, brought in by cultural conditioning).  Speaking of sex and excrement is considered 'improper', so cruder words, **** and **** for example, are seen as extremely rude and offensive.  It doesn't help that people started using the words to BE rude and offensive, which only solidfies the conditioning.

Or, in simpler terms, these words are considered offensive because we were told they were.  Not all of us are conditioned to it, but society as a whole seems to consider it that way.

Edit: Wasn't thinking about it, but does anyone else find that a forums for a Mature rated game is censored?

It's because of that conditioning but your logic is flawed in the society department.  The vast majority of the world's population is poor and historically speaking, and clearly accurate today, the lower class cares very little for the proprietary speech patterns of a tiny group of pompus idiots who think that because their parents left them wealth that they have the right to force other people to embrace their perverted sense of reality.

The moral is, as long as one moron is spouting nonsense about this, other idiots will follow.  Society as a whole could give a flying f**k on a rolling donut less about swearing.

[Skyblade012]

Actually my main problem is that the cursing lacks any impact whatsoever. When I curse, the people I work with who know me are shocked. They always comment on it, and they know something just went really wrong for me.



When it is said so often and for no apparent reason, it has no meaning. If it is just used as a normal piece of dialogue, then that is all it is. It has no impact as a curse word anymore. And if you aren't going to use it as a curse word, why use it at all?

[CmdrFenix83]

TheOtherWind wrote...

I definitely could have done without the profanity to be honest. Added more to the gears of war in space feeling I was already getting. Star wars did just fine without profanity and I don't see why ME can't.

Because unlike Star Wars, this game is not meant for kids.  There's a giant 17+ label on the box for a reason.

[ZennExile]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Actually my main problem is that the cursing lacks any impact whatsoever. When I curse, the people I work with who know me are shocked. They always comment on it, and they know something just went really wrong for me.

When it is said so often and for no apparent reason, it has no meaning. If it is just used as a normal piece of dialogue, then that is all it is. It has no impact as a curse word anymore. And if you aren't going to use it as a curse word, why use it at all?

I see what you tried to do there.  You failed misrebley but I see.  Anywho...

Only the mentally retarded (or children) are "shocked" by dialogue.  You don't even understand why curse words are offensive.  It's all cultural conditioning based on the religous garbage you were force fed as a child.  The words lose all their "impact" when you grow up and realise everyone has different words so all that delusional crap your parents and peers convinced you was real is based on nothing but more delusional fantasy.

When you grow the f**k up your brain can proccess a word and once it assigns "meaning" to it the word is no longer shocking.  Young children however can't process the meaning of speech patterns, perspective bias, or context so they can't fully understand the concept of communication.

Adults with the same issue are mentally retarded (handicaped, challenged, little off, not so sharp, G Dubbya, etc... moron, fcktard, thick,dense,stupid, slow, dim... you get the idea).

[Skyblade012]

What exactly did I try to do there? Point out my problem with the cursing in the game and why I felt it didn't really add anything? Because that's all I was trying to do.



And, no, the impact of cursing has nothing to do with how we are raised. I work with a couple of girls who curse all the time, both far more than me. They don't even usually notice how often they utter curse words. They both notice every time I use one, however, because it is rare and has meaning behind it.



That is the importance of a curseword to me, the impact behind it because it is used sparingly enough that it retains meaning. The word itself means nothing, as I had a friend once who used "swell" as a curseword and was able to convey similar meaning with it (at least to people who knew him. He was a kooky kind of guy).



And, keep in mind, I said this was my problem with the cursing. I didn't say I wished to see the writing change, nor did I wish to force my views on anyone else. I was just trying to explain my own opinion.

[Gabey5]

no. this game is M.

[CmdrFenix83]

Jarcander wrote...

I believe do not understand each other on this one. Rather than write an essay, let me clarify with a simple question.

Do you believe it is okay to say "f**k you" to a complete stranger for no reason?

If the answer is "yes", then you are wrong. If your answer "no", I think we are on the same lines here.

For no reason and completely random?  No.  If it's justified, yes.

[Skavau]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Actually my main problem is that the cursing lacks any impact whatsoever. When I curse, the people I work with who know me are shocked. They always comment on it, and they know something just went really wrong for me.

When it is said so often and for no apparent reason, it has no meaning. If it is just used as a normal piece of dialogue, then that is all it is. It has no impact as a curse word anymore. And if you aren't going to use it as a curse word, why use it at all?

Almost all dialogue is unnecessary. There is no reason to engage in word-games to hint at what you mean. There's no reason to point out puns, irony or be sarcastic - but we do.

It is part of life that is interesting.