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[ZennExile]

Skyblade012 wrote...

What exactly did I try to do there? Point out my problem with the cursing in the game and why I felt it didn't really add anything? Because that's all I was trying to do.

And, no, the impact of cursing has nothing to do with how we are raised. I work with a couple of girls who curse all the time, both far more than me. They don't even usually notice how often they utter curse words. They both notice every time I use one, however, because it is rare and has meaning behind it.

That is the importance of a curseword to me, the impact behind it because it is used sparingly enough that it retains meaning. The word itself means nothing, as I had a friend once who used "swell" as a curseword and was able to convey similar meaning with it (at least to people who knew him. He was a kooky kind of guy).

And, keep in mind, I said this was my problem with the cursing. I didn't say I wished to see the writing change, nor did I wish to force my views on anyone else. I was just trying to explain my own opinion.

 <---Brain ninja
"How did you learn about your problem with cursing?"  -insert stereotypical Japanese sound effects-

It's all about how you were raised.  Your "beliefs" are forced upon you at some point.  All beliefs are.  That's why it's called a belief because you have to make yourself believe it through repetition.  You don't simply wake up one day thinking, my word that f**k word seems offensive.  Your brain was conditioned by religous wackery to believe there is something wrong with certain words.  Though to be able to recognize this takes higher critical thinking skill than 95% of the human population can muster.

[CmdrFenix83]

KShafe777 wrote...

skyferret wrote...

Firstly, I appreciate that the cursing is somewhat limited to certain characters. I understand the world is not always a polite place.
I'd like to be able to show my parents this piece of science fiction though; my father would appreciate the voice acting, I'm sure, given his same interest in sci-fi.  Or I could show it to my brother, to get him interested; I like having people to talk about ME with. However, profanity's a bit of a no-no in our family. Yes, some shows cuss and we'll watch, but it's happens few times. With ME2, it's a bit more frequent and includes the f word - a bit more than a bit of a no-no.

So I guess I'm just wondering if anyone else would have appreciated a 'censored' setting for the dialogue. When playing by myself I wouldn't bother with it because cursing doesn't bother me that much, but I think it'd be nice to have.

i actually agree with you.  I play the game and enjoy it, however, i could definitely do without the swearing.  An option to shut off/change the blatant "no no" words would be wonderful.  Due to the profanity, i am in a situation that i do not play this game when my kids are around/up do to their ages being 4 and 8.  Also, i don't really care for the swearing myself.  Great story line.. great characters and i  understand the need to show the darkside of the appropriate characters, but this can be done without using the "F" bomb and other such choice words. 

Great topic!

Yes, shield your children from the "F-bombs" but by all means let them watch people having their heads explode from a sniper round, or spray blood across a wall as you unload rounds into them when they're by said wall.  Profanity is *so* much worse than graphic violence and killing. 

[CmdrFenix83]

jamskinner wrote...

This all boils down to morals. Some people are not bothered by cussing, others are. What i don't get is why people have to crap on a person for asking for an "option". I had a thread on this very subject and it was inundated just like this one.
There is nothing wrong with "requesting" an option. As I was told last year by Bioware it wasn't going to happen so late in development.
There is nothing wrong about requesting it now though for ME3. It is not going to hurt anyone who doesn't use it. They can hear all the cussing they want.

P.S. Despite what people may think cussing and violence/sex/whatever are different. Just because one bothers you doesn't mean the others have too. I don't like baseball. It doesn't mean I don't like basketball though. Are the two sports related? Yes. Are they the same? No.

It's not going to hurt anyone?  They're going to waste thousands of dollars recording new voice tracks for every spot where a 'profane' word would be used just for a handful of prudes?  Not to mention implementing toggles int he code for every single one of those dialogue points where if the option is toggled on, it loads a different audio file. 

Waste of money considering the overwhelming majority would never use this option.  The game is rated M.  If you can't handle the things on the rating that earned it that M, then don't buy the game.  That money could be going into content that everyone would use instead of an unneccesary feature for the few people out there that think killing is okay but the word f*** is not.

[EternalWolfe]

ZennExile wrote...

It's because of that conditioning but your logic is flawed in the society department.  The vast majority of the world's population is poor and historically speaking, and clearly accurate today, the lower class cares very little for the proprietary speech patterns of a tiny group of pompus idiots who think that because their parents left them wealth that they have the right to force other people to embrace their perverted sense of reality.

The moral is, as long as one moron is spouting nonsense about this, other idiots will follow.  Society as a whole could give a flying f**k on a rolling donut less about swearing.

Your point is as ridiculous as it is wrong.  It doesn't matter what the 'lower class' thinks, or the 'higher class' for that matter.  Within any society, their are rules of propriety.  You say that the lower class doesn't follow patterns, but the mere fact you use the words prove you wrong.  The reason the 'lower class'(as if there aren't poor people who get offended by swearwords) use the words is because its a part of their culture, their society.  People don't go around using the 'fornicate' instead of '****' as an expletive because they are taught that the latter has such meaning.  Not being offended by it has nothing to do with society.  And your point of wealth vs poor is also wrong, as there are wealthly people who swear all the time and poor people who take heavy offense at even the slightests swear word.  Not to mention the hypocrisy of people who use swear words without thinking, but don't want their children to hear/say them.

Culture and Society are tied together to a level.  They aren't the same, but they do affect each other.

As for your moral . . . duh?  And that's a part of society too.  That's why we have swear words like damn - christian society had heavy influence on the larger whole, whether they belive it or not.  I am not a christian, and I still use words like God, Heaven, Hell, ect.  All because of the society I learned them from.

And don't bother trying to place me as one of the people who can't take a few 'naughty' words.  I use them all the time, in normal conversasions.  Depends on who I'm around, much more likely to swear around co-workers then around grandmother. 

Edit: now that I think about it, the difference between culture and society is mostly academic.

Modifié par EternalWolfe, 18 février 2010 - 05:35 .

[jamskinner]

CanadAvenger wrote...

jamskinner wrote...

This all boils down to morals. Some people are not bothered by cussing, others are. What i don't get is why people have to crap on a person for asking for an "option". I had a thread on this very subject and it was inundated just like this one.
There is nothing wrong with "requesting" an option. As I was told last year by Bioware it wasn't going to happen so late in development.
There is nothing wrong about requesting it now though for ME3. It is not going to hurt anyone who doesn't use it. They can hear all the cussing they want.

P.S. Despite what people may think cussing and violence/sex/whatever are different. Just because one bothers you doesn't mean the others have too. I don't like baseball. It doesn't mean I don't like basketball though. Are the two sports related? Yes. Are they the same? No.

I never said that there was anything wrong with requesting an option, just that it would be hard (and probably not practical) to do. Mainly because of the ESRB ratings, and the fact that people that strongly dislike the cursing would probably be a minority.

You are assuming a lot.  I bet I have seen near 10 of these threads since the game came out.  Apparently some people are interested.

[jamskinner]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

jamskinner wrote...

This all boils down to morals. Some people are not bothered by cussing, others are. What i don't get is why people have to crap on a person for asking for an "option". I had a thread on this very subject and it was inundated just like this one.
There is nothing wrong with "requesting" an option. As I was told last year by Bioware it wasn't going to happen so late in development.
There is nothing wrong about requesting it now though for ME3. It is not going to hurt anyone who doesn't use it. They can hear all the cussing they want.

P.S. Despite what people may think cussing and violence/sex/whatever are different. Just because one bothers you doesn't mean the others have too. I don't like baseball. It doesn't mean I don't like basketball though. Are the two sports related? Yes. Are they the same? No.

It's not going to hurt anyone?  They're going to waste thousands of dollars recording new voice tracks for every spot where a 'profane' word would be used just for a handful of prudes?  Not to mention implementing toggles int he code for every single one of those dialogue points where if the option is toggled on, it loads a different audio file. 

Waste of money considering the overwhelming majority would never use this option.  The game is rated M.  If you can't handle the things on the rating that earned it that M, then don't buy the game.  That money could be going into content that everyone would use instead of an unneccesary feature for the few people out there that think killing is okay but the word f*** is not.

What does hurt mean?  Physically?  Is sexual abuse going to always hurt someones physically?  Oh so according to you it is only bad if something hurts.

Handfull of prudes.   So did they need to add in conrad verner for a handful of fans?  Or any other of the small bit parts?  Do you think that was cheap?  Hiring a voice actor again.  Writing, animating, etc.  There are plenty of options and features in ME2 that many gamers will never see or use.  I mean heck why have 6 classes.  Many people will only use 1 or 2.

Rated M has nothing to do with it.  The M rating scale is very broad.  ME1 was rated M and did not include the F word.  Oh wait you probably didn't play that one because it didn't have enough cussing. 

Who said killing is ok?  Do you think it is ok?  Not one person is killed as a result of playing this game.  Plus cussing has nothing to do with killing.  Nothing.  Are you suggesting because someone cusses or likes cussing that they also like killing?  That is called stereotyping.

[ZennExile]

EternalWolfe wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

It's because of that conditioning but your logic is flawed in the society department.  The vast majority of the world's population is poor and historically speaking, and clearly accurate today, the lower class cares very little for the proprietary speech patterns of a tiny group of pompus idiots who think that because their parents left them wealth that they have the right to force other people to embrace their perverted sense of reality.

The moral is, as long as one moron is spouting nonsense about this, other idiots will follow.  Society as a whole could give a flying f**k on a rolling donut less about swearing.

Your point is as ridiculous as it is wrong.  It doesn't matter what the 'lower class' thinks, or the 'higher class' for that matter.  Within any society, their are rules of propriety.  You say that the lower class doesn't follow patterns, but the mere fact you use the words prove you wrong.  The reason the 'lower class'(as if there aren't poor people who get offended by swearwords) use the words is because its a part of their culture, their society.  People don't go around using the 'fornicate' instead of '****' as an expletive because they are taught that the latter has such meaning.  Not being offended by it has nothing to do with society.  And your point of wealth vs poor is also wrong, as there are wealthly people who swear all the time and poor people who take heavy offense at even the slightests swear word.  Not to mention the hypocrisy of people who use swear words without thinking, but don't want their children to hear/say them.

Culture and Society are tied together to a level.  They aren't the same, but they do affect each other.

As for your moral . . . duh?  And that's a part of society too.  That's why we have swear words like damn - christian society had heavy influence on the larger whole, whether they belive it or not.  I am not a christian, and I still use words like God, Heaven, Hell, ect.  All because of the society I learned them from.

And don't bother trying to place me as one of the people who can't take a few 'naughty' words.  I use them all the time, in normal conversasions.  Depends on who I'm around, much more likely to swear around co-workers then around grandmother. 

Edit: now that I think about it, the difference between culture and society is mostly academic.

Spend about ten more years thinking about it carefully, then we can have a conversation on even ground.  You clearly haven't developed a single thought of your own since you were brainwashed as a child to believe in fantasies and fairytale nonsense so any further debate at this point, is unfair of me.

Nothing you "believe" has any basis in fact.  You automatically substitute your imagination for the gaps in your understanding.  You haven't even developed mentally to a point where you can even recognize this upon reflection let alone curb the irrational mental behavior with logical process.

In another ten years, if you study hard and somehow find a mentor that can crack upon that windowless box you call a mind, you might possibly get it.  Right now though you're so fixated on protecting your delusions that you can't even follow the conversation. 

Learn2Think?

Modifié par ZennExile, 18 février 2010 - 05:53 .

[jamskinner]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

KShafe777 wrote...

skyferret wrote...

Firstly, I appreciate that the cursing is somewhat limited to certain characters. I understand the world is not always a polite place.
I'd like to be able to show my parents this piece of science fiction though; my father would appreciate the voice acting, I'm sure, given his same interest in sci-fi.  Or I could show it to my brother, to get him interested; I like having people to talk about ME with. However, profanity's a bit of a no-no in our family. Yes, some shows cuss and we'll watch, but it's happens few times. With ME2, it's a bit more frequent and includes the f word - a bit more than a bit of a no-no.

So I guess I'm just wondering if anyone else would have appreciated a 'censored' setting for the dialogue. When playing by myself I wouldn't bother with it because cursing doesn't bother me that much, but I think it'd be nice to have.

i actually agree with you.  I play the game and enjoy it, however, i could definitely do without the swearing.  An option to shut off/change the blatant "no no" words would be wonderful.  Due to the profanity, i am in a situation that i do not play this game when my kids are around/up do to their ages being 4 and 8.  Also, i don't really care for the swearing myself.  Great story line.. great characters and i  understand the need to show the darkside of the appropriate characters, but this can be done without using the "F" bomb and other such choice words. 

Great topic!

Yes, shield your children from the "F-bombs" but by all means let them watch people having their heads explode from a sniper round, or spray blood across a wall as you unload rounds into them when they're by said wall.  Profanity is *so* much worse than graphic violence and killing. 

Who said it wasn't worse.  This thread is about language, not violence.  If you have a problem with violence in the game start your own thread on it and discuss it there.

[jamskinner]

ZennExile wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

What exactly did I try to do there? Point out my problem with the cursing in the game and why I felt it didn't really add anything? Because that's all I was trying to do.

And, no, the impact of cursing has nothing to do with how we are raised. I work with a couple of girls who curse all the time, both far more than me. They don't even usually notice how often they utter curse words. They both notice every time I use one, however, because it is rare and has meaning behind it.

That is the importance of a curseword to me, the impact behind it because it is used sparingly enough that it retains meaning. The word itself means nothing, as I had a friend once who used "swell" as a curseword and was able to convey similar meaning with it (at least to people who knew him. He was a kooky kind of guy).

And, keep in mind, I said this was my problem with the cursing. I didn't say I wished to see the writing change, nor did I wish to force my views on anyone else. I was just trying to explain my own opinion.

 <---Brain ninja
"How did you learn about your problem with cursing?"  -insert stereotypical Japanese sound effects-

It's all about how you were raised.  Your "beliefs" are forced upon you at some point.  All beliefs are.  That's why it's called a belief because you have to make yourself believe it through repetition.  You don't simply wake up one day thinking, my word that f**k word seems offensive.  Your brain was conditioned by religous wackery to believe there is something wrong with certain words.  Though to be able to recognize this takes higher critical thinking skill than 95% of the human population can muster.

Oh so you have to be religious to not like cussing?  Interesting...  What about murder?  Is being against murder also caused by "religious wackery"?

[CmdrFenix83]

jamskinner wrote...

What does hurt mean?  Physically?  Is sexual abuse going to always hurt someones physically?  Oh so according to you it is only bad if something hurts.

Handfull of prudes.   So did they need to add in conrad verner for a handful of fans?  Or any other of the small bit parts?  Do you think that was cheap?  Hiring a voice actor again.  Writing, animating, etc.  There are plenty of options and features in ME2 that many gamers will never see or use.  I mean heck why have 6 classes.  Many people will only use 1 or 2.

Rated M has nothing to do with it.  The M rating scale is very broad.  ME1 was rated M and did not include the F word.  Oh wait you probably didn't play that one because it didn't have enough cussing. 

Who said killing is ok?  Do you think it is ok?  Not one person is killed as a result of playing this game.  Plus cussing has nothing to do with killing.  Nothing.  Are you suggesting because someone cusses or likes cussing that they also like killing?  That is called stereotyping.

I played the first game through 15 times since you seem to care, and I've cleared the sequel 7 times already.  I've been a fan of Bioware's work for many years, starting back with KotOR and NWN.  I love that they've been pushing the boundaries on questionable material in their games.  Why?  Because I cannot stand people that take such arbitrary offense with things as simple as words, nudity, graphic blood and violence.  If you don't like such things, keep to your little kiddie games, movies, and television shows.  There *are* good movies and games that do not contain any of that content.

You kill in this game.  Hundreds and hundreds of people of varying species.  Justified or not, it's still a game based heavily on killing people.  If profanity is your problem, but the killing is not, then I refer to you as a screwed up individual.  If the "F-bomb" offends you, but exploding someone's head with a sniper round does not, then something is wrong with you.  If both are a problem, then why are you playing either Mass Effect, and why are you on these forums?

[Skavau]

What does hurt mean?  Physically?  Is sexual abuse going to always
hurt someones physically?  Oh so according to you it is only bad if
something hurts.

Handfull of prudes.   So did they need to add
in conrad verner for a handful of fans?  Or any other of the small bit
parts?  Do you think that was cheap?  Hiring a voice actor again. 
Writing, animating, etc.  There are plenty of options and features in
ME2 that many gamers will never see or use.  I mean heck why have 6
classes.  Many people will only use 1 or 2.

No they did not need to add Conrad Verner into the game. They chose to based on popular appeal. The problem with rewriting scrips or adjusting scripts for the disenchanted prudes (I have no qualms in using derogative terms to refer to these parasites) is that they want their to have their cake and eat it to. They want all of the content in mature games but to have it on their terms. They want to set up these language filters, nudity censors (and probably in some cases emphasis on 'offensive' themes). It is a bit like insisting a toned down version of GTA should be released on the basis that some people want to play it but gosh darn it cannot get over, understand (or choose to understand) the implementation of taboo language.

The very insistence is dishonest. It is, as people have rightly stated rated M for MATURE.

Rated M has nothing to do with it.  The M rating scale is very
broad.  ME1 was rated M and did not include the F word.  Oh wait you
probably didn't play that one because it didn't have enough cussing.

I haven't played ME1 in a while now, but I know for a fact it had swearing. Probably the F word as well. I didn't tally.

Irrespectively, why is the F-word so offensive over other generic swearwords precisely?

Who said killing is ok?  Do you think it is ok?  Not one person is
killed as a result of playing this game.  Plus cussing has nothing to
do with killing.  Nothing.  Are you suggesting because someone cusses
or likes cussing that they also like killing?  That is called
stereotyping.

Way to misunderstand the blatant hypocrisy.

The Mary Whitehouse crowd are quite happy to accept that violence is a part of the Mass Effect universe. They are quite content to accept the mass-slaughter of Blue Sun Mercenaries, who in a real-life comparison contain large amounts of people that most likely slipped into the wrong crowd. They are quite happy to accept the killing of innocents is entirely plausible and perfectly consistent with the setting but are for some mystical reason, unwilling to accept that like the violence, gratituious swearing on some characters might also be consistent.

It is pathetic, and hypocritical.

[EternalWolfe]

ZennExile wrote...

Spend about ten more years thinking about it carefully, then we can have a conversation on even ground.  You clearly haven't developed a single thought of your own since you were brainwashed as a child to believe in fantasies and fairytale nonsense so any further debate at this point, is unfair of me.

Nothing you "believe" has any basis in fact.  You automatically substitute your imagination for the gaps in your understanding.  You haven't even developed mentally to a point where you can even recognize this upon reflection let alone curb the irrational mental behavior with logical process.

In another ten years, if you study hard and somehow find a mentor that can crack upon that windowless box you call a mind, you might possibly get it.  Right now though you're so fixated on protecting your delusions that you can't even follow the conversation. 

Learn2Think?

I notice you didn't actually try to refute anything i just said.  Your own post has no substance, its just insults piled on me as if you actually have anything to say.  Your own lack of understanding of what culture and society actually mean is obvious.  Acting as if you do doesn't help your case if you can't actually make points.

[ZennExile]

jamskinner wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

What exactly did I try to do there? Point out my problem with the cursing in the game and why I felt it didn't really add anything? Because that's all I was trying to do.

And, no, the impact of cursing has nothing to do with how we are raised. I work with a couple of girls who curse all the time, both far more than me. They don't even usually notice how often they utter curse words. They both notice every time I use one, however, because it is rare and has meaning behind it.

That is the importance of a curseword to me, the impact behind it because it is used sparingly enough that it retains meaning. The word itself means nothing, as I had a friend once who used "swell" as a curseword and was able to convey similar meaning with it (at least to people who knew him. He was a kooky kind of guy).

And, keep in mind, I said this was my problem with the cursing. I didn't say I wished to see the writing change, nor did I wish to force my views on anyone else. I was just trying to explain my own opinion.

 <---Brain ninja
"How did you learn about your problem with cursing?"  -insert stereotypical Japanese sound effects-

It's all about how you were raised.  Your "beliefs" are forced upon you at some point.  All beliefs are.  That's why it's called a belief because you have to make yourself believe it through repetition.  You don't simply wake up one day thinking, my word that f**k word seems offensive.  Your brain was conditioned by religous wackery to believe there is something wrong with certain words.  Though to be able to recognize this takes higher critical thinking skill than 95% of the human population can muster.

Oh so you have to be religious to not like cussing?  Interesting...  What about murder?  Is being against murder also caused by "religious wackery"?

I'll help you.  The reason I mentioned religous wackery is because the basis of all propriety evolved directly from religion.  No matter what its current itteration the idea of controling behavior is pruely born of religous wackery on an immense scale.

And yes in order to teach people that murder is wrong our ancestors used the only tools they had availible to them.  Fear and threat of spiritual decay.  So technically yes.  We wouldn't view "murder" in the same light.  For that matter what is murder?  Killing anything can be considered murder.  That spider you smashed with your boyfriend's shoe... yep murder. 

Perception is a powerful blindfold my friend.  The true test of any human mind is whether or not it can overcome perception and embrace reality.  Sadly we are vastly out numbered by people who fail this test yet continue to breed at 5 times the rate logical and educated humans breed.

[CmdrFenix83]

jamskinner wrote...

Who said it wasn't worse.  This thread is about language, not violence.  If you have a problem with violence in the game start your own thread on it and discuss it there.

If you're playing this game, you're condoning the content in it.  By complaining about the profanity, it means you're only okay with the rest of it.  Your argument is ridiculous.

Modifié par CmdrFenix83, 18 février 2010 - 06:17 .

[st0icr4ven]

There should be a national holiday to celebrate the F-Bomb!

[ZennExile]

st0icr4ven wrote...

There should be a national holiday to celebrate the F-Bomb!

it's called Election Day and it happens every 4 years. 

[st0icr4ven]

ZennExile wrote...

st0icr4ven wrote...

There should be a national holiday to celebrate the F-Bomb!

it's called Election Day and it happens every 4 years. 

You sir speak truth!

[skyferret]

Wow, guys, really? If my curiosity weren't sincere, I'd call this a successful trolling. It's like the high horse just parades itself.



Thanks to those of you who proved intelligent in their responses by actually reading the post, though; it comforts me to know the Internet isn't entirely incompetent.



For everyone else, I'm not going to repeat myself. I'll just continue having some cheap, unintentional lulz with your gun-jumping responses.

[GnusmasTHX]

Your entire family is ridiculous.

[EternalWolfe]

skyferret wrote...

Wow, guys, really? If my curiosity weren't sincere, I'd call this a successful trolling. It's like the high horse just parades itself.

Thanks to those of you who proved intelligent in their responses by actually reading the post, though; it comforts me to know the Internet isn't entirely incompetent.

For everyone else, I'm not going to repeat myself. I'll just continue having some cheap, unintentional lulz with your gun-jumping responses.

That's the internet for you.

As I never did speak directly to your post, I suppose I might as well.  I personally don't care if there is an option, I would only run into a problem if you were trying to get it removed compeltly due to your own dislike of profanity(I myself have never really been bothered by it).  Options are fine, although some posters are right in that it will increase the time and money required to make the game.  There are multiple points to look at it, all biased, and it all comes down to three major groups: Those who want it, those who are against it(either because they don't want to waste resources on something they won't use or for other reasons), and those who just don't care.  It'll end up Bioware's decision in the end, either way.

Anywho, you should join in, its alot more fun than it looks.

[skyferret]

EternalWolfe wrote...]
That's the internet for you.

As I never did speak directly to your post, I suppose I might as well.  I personally don't care if there is an option, I would only run into a problem if you were trying to get it removed compeltly due to your own dislike of profanity(I myself have never really been bothered by it).  Options are fine, although some posters are right in that it will increase the time and money required to make the game.  There are multiple points to look at it, all biased, and it all comes down to three major groups: Those who want it, those who are against it(either because they don't want to waste resources on something they won't use or for other reasons), and those who just don't care.  It'll end up Bioware's decision in the end, either way.

Anywho, you should join in, its alot more fun than it looks.

Oh, to be sure.

See now, that's more along the lines of what I was expecting, 'nah, it requires more work!' or something practical. Instead I get this rabid group just as seemingly close-minded as the people they hate; nothing that particularly contributes to my inquiry.  And true, Bioware's decision; I also started this just to show them that if they felt like it, no, this particular consumer wouldn't shun their product. If they don't do it, I'm still not going to shun it.

I avoid these things simply because they're besides the point; it is amusing to watch, though.

[GuardianAngel470]

NoShtSherlock wrote...

@sky ferrett
I agreethere is too much cursing in the game and ignore the petty wise cracks from
some of these other gamers.  There is no need for cursing to put a point
across in my opinion and this cursing was put in to shock and make characters
seem tough and nasty.



A person or a character that need to curse to get a point across lacks the
intellectual vocabulary to voice their opinions or thoughts in any situation,
debate or discussion.  Again this cursing
in the game is another shock value instance within this game.[/b]

Give me a synonym for F*** that isn't as offensive and vulgar and can still, in one word, convey the same level of displeasure, in the context of an exclamation.  Same with D@mn, Sh*t, and any other cultural equivalent.  If you can do that and I'm satisfied, I'll be officially converted.

And to your second point, it was not a shock value element, at least I didn't take it that way.  Rather, it was a means to convey character.  Do you honestly expect to go the nearest ghetto part of town and hear something as tame as the things jack says?  If you do then I can only say that you do not have the necessary experience to judge effectively.  As someone who was completely immersed in that world for over five years, I can tell you that what jack says is extremely toned down.  You don't hear any mention to various body parts, sexual positions, sexual acts or various places to stick it, and don't even get me started on hoars, s1uts, and kahnts (all terms that jack could have and would have used to describe Miranda were she a real person from the background she comes from).  In short, your ignorance or refusal to accept the omittance of potential shock value terms is you undoing.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 18 février 2010 - 07:02 .

[Skavau]

NoShtSherlock wrote...
I agreethere is too much cursing in the game and ignore the petty wise cracks from
some of these other gamers.  There is no need for cursing to put a point
across in my opinion and this cursing was put in to shock and make characters
seem tough and nasty.

Wrong.

The swearing was introduced to make the characters consistent and believable. Some people do actually use specific offensive language in order to put their points across. You may decree it offensive, pointless and evidence of a poor dialogue but some people are just like that. You are projecting your own standards of dialogue onto other characters. If we had everyone observing this standard in Mass Effect then we would have effectively an implausible and rather bland setting. It is Bioware's job to create a fictional universe, and quite frankly if they wanted to represent places in the game such as Tuchanka and Omega they probably should have actually gone much further. When the worst you hear is the f-word (as the above poster rightly stated), then you know it is a case of could have.

An excellent example by the way of unnecessary swearing in media can be found in Red Dwarf, but fans agree that it adds a lot to it.

A person or a character that need to curse to get a point across lacks the
intellectual vocabulary to voice their opinions or thoughts in any situation,
debate or discussion.  Again this cursing
in the game is another shock value instance within this game.

No it isn't. That is a fabrication. People who play mature rating games are far used to the 'shock' factor to be at all surprised anymore.

It is, as I have said to make the universe more plausible.

[OneBadAssMother]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Just avoid Jack.

[Alorint]

One rule: "Don't F*** with Aria"