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[RighteousRage]

Alorint wrote...

One rule: "Don't F*** with Aria"

*gets Patriarch killed with no consequences*

[Aradace]

Im amazed this topic hasnt died yet or has been locked...But seriously though, the only people who find anything offensive about swearing in general are the people who are religious zealots

[Remaix]

Ah, I can already see it! Jack with no swearing!
"So go away and thanks for asking."
No. Just... just... no. It doesn't work. Impact lessened. Lack of aggression. Jack needs to have swearing in her dialogue. It's a way of conveying her aggression. Oh, and you idiots who say there are other ways to write her character? Well. Fine. Go ahead and do it. I'll wait. You guys go out and find a way to have a horrible aggressive character who then proceeds to talk like the goody two-shoes she despised. No, really, I mean it. I'll wait for you to write the ****ing dialogue. Good luck with that.
(In case you hadn't noticed, I have... issues with these type of people.)

[yeldarbnotned]

A censor "option" for dialogue would be great. Unlikely, though, because the supreme majority of players don't mind cursing. Because, if the OP still buys and plays the game with cursing in it, and I still buy the game and play it with cursing in it, what would be the point to put an option in for a slight minority of players who are still going to purchase the game anyways. However, only if marketing decides that they would be able to sell an additional "x" number of units because of a censorship option, would they even consider doing it.

[RighteousRage]

Aradace wrote...

Im amazed this topic hasnt died yet or has been locked...But seriously though, the only people who find anything offensive about swearing in general are the people who are religious zealots

What about people who find swearing offensive in the case that it's done by sassy women who couldn't even harm a fly and yet are attempting to look tough? Such as Aria, making threats at Shepard even though he could most likely kill everyone in the Terminus Systems within a day or two.

"Oo she cursed how scary"

Every time someone curses in ME 2 it's like those old Nickelodeon cartoons or in the DBZ dub where they make it out to be a big deal whenever someone says "damn", making the scene severely awkward like we're supposed to be impressed.

"Don't ****** off the god of love!!" - child

*8 year olds watching gasp*

That's what the cursing is like in ME 2

[Remaix]

*looks at the above comment*

Guys... can... can I punch him? Please?

[RighteousRage]

Do it and you'll draw back a stump

[Remaix]

Sorry, man, it's nothing personal... but... that comment. The stupidity. It hurts.

[Star]

skyferret wrote...

Firstly, I appreciate that the cursing is somewhat limited to certain characters. I understand the world is not always a polite place.
I'd like to be able to show my parents this piece of science fiction though; my father would appreciate the voice acting, I'm sure, given his same interest in sci-fi.  Or I could show it to my brother, to get him interested; I like having people to talk about ME with. However, profanity's a bit of a no-no in our family. Yes, some shows cuss and we'll watch, but it's happens few times. With ME2, it's a bit more frequent and includes the f word - a bit more than a bit of a no-no.

So I guess I'm just wondering if anyone else would have appreciated a 'censored' setting for the dialogue. When playing by myself I wouldn't bother with it because cursing doesn't bother me that much, but I think it'd be nice to have.

You ask a good but tough question.  I appreciate that your thought is to provide the option to sanitize the game language to allow folks with different standards to play and (hopefully) enjoy the game.  The challenge with sanitization is that it's a form of nannyhood.  Certainly individuals and families have the right to set their own rules and certainly each culture has the right to set and define its limits.  However, this type of action also tends to lead us towards an environment where we're constantly legislating good behavior and otherwise taking care of individuals instead of allowing them to take care of themselves and make a choice (or be accountable for their choices).

I also admit that while I'm not an advocate of cursing every other word in a sentence I do think profanity has it's place.  I tend toward the Mark Twain school of thought:  "Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstance, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer."   So when I saw Joker scrambling as best he could toward the Tech lab swearing, it made a lot of sense to me as does Jack's frequent use of vulgar language.

I wonder what would happen if you talked with your Dad about this?  It seems to me that given the sensitivity you've shown (concern with family rules) that if you let him know that you understand there are parts of the game which don't fit your family's rules/values it could convey to him that you're adult enough yourself to know there's a difference and make choices; that you're wanting to share this with him and you hope he can enjoy it too.

I often ask my kids to show me stuff in their games and to help me understand why they like them.  I think it opens up the chance for a lot of conversations.  I don't always agree or I may have different opinions but I'm also pretty sure, based upon our conversations, that we do share some values and they know the difference between games and reality.  After all, how can we learn to make decisions if we never have a chance to make them and live with them?

[Llandaryn]

I have no problem with the cursing in the game; it's usually in context. I'm not a child, nor do I need to be coddled.

[AGogley]

I generally avoid cussing as well. I think it's immature an/or reflects an inability to articulate one's thoughts using language.



But in the case of Jack. I believe her character was supposed to reflect her total disregard for any morality as well as her crude and vulgar disposition. It may have been difficult to convey this without using the actual words.



In the case of Aria, I thought the cussing actually lessened my respect for the character. She comes across as this powerful crime lord, and yet has to resort to vulgarity to express herself.



Joker cusses when his ship is taken over by the collectors. Unfortunate, but not as vulgar and unnecessary as some of the rest.

[JRM01]

With an 18+ rating you kinda should've expected this. And I can't remember when I was 18, I ever took my parents feelings into account whenever I showed them anything.... Also cursing is just words, they can't hurt anybody because they have no real meaning. But people who do take offence in them are probably under the indoctrination of the authority of the written word. Which many people just accept out of lak of creativity to comprehend the universe they are part of.

Modifié par JRM01, 18 février 2010 - 10:04 .

[raven2510]

I think with jack...they tried too hard to make her a cool person. I just hated her...PERIOD.

Now with Joker and the occasional swear from a random person its a great thing to put into the game. It conveys feeling so much more. like when you walk up behind the Eclipse merc. in the towers, he says "S***". Its totally what I would say in that situation.

[Llandaryn]

raven2510 wrote...

I think with jack...they tried too hard to make her a cool person. I just hated her...PERIOD.

Nah. They tried hard to make Garrus a cool person. I mean, look at the intro. He casually sits on a pile of crates or something, takes off ihs helmet, and says "Shepard", as if he was just expecting you to rise from the dead and is completely unphased by it.

Jack is a scarred individual who uses violence and anger to keep others at arms' reach. She was taught to be a weapon, and even when she escaped the Cerberus facility, she was used and abused. Any faith she had in mankind quickly disappeared. It's only natural for her to use hostility as a defence mechanism. If you can see past that, you get a sense of one of the deepest characters in the game. If you can't see past it... you just dislike her.

[beautifvl_flaw]

I suppose the option would be good for those who would rather not have curse words, yes. It'd never crossed mine. I didn't really notice the swearing of anybody other than Jack, since she does it rather aggressively. People like Joker, it didn't stand out to me, possibly because I curse frequently myself.

[yeldarbnotned]

JRM01 wrote...

With an 18+ rating you kinda should've expected this. And I can't remember when I was 18, I ever took my parents feelings into account whenever I showed them anything.... Also cursing is just words, they can't hurt anybody because they have no real meaning. But people who do take offence in them are probably under the indoctrination of the authority of the written word. Which many people just accept out of lak of creativity to comprehend the universe they are part of.

If you are referring to the written word as the Holy Bible, people do not accept that out of a lack of creativiity.  They accept the "Living Word," because the Holy Spirit comes to live within them and will reveal the truth of the Word to them.

[Hylian100]

Never had a problem with swearing, really, in ym eyes, you're lessening your vocabulary if you remove swearing from your vocabulary. There wasn't an excessive amount of swearing in ME2 either, and it made sense in context, with the characters.

[Pauravi]

[quote]Llandaryn wrote...

Nah. They tried hard to make Garrus a cool person. I mean, look at the intro. He casually sits on a pile of crates or something, takes off ihs helmet, and says "Shepard", as if he was just expecting you to rise from the dead and is completely unphased by it.[/quote]
I agree with you about Jack.  I just thought I'd point out that Garrus saw you through his scope long before you got to his lair, and says as much when you talk to him.  He had a couple minutes to absorb the idea before you stormed his place [/quote]

[Pauravi]

yeldarbnotned wrote...

JRM01 wrote...
people who do take offence in them are probably under the indoctrination of the authority of the written word. Which many people just accept out of lak of creativity to comprehend the universe they are part of.

If you are referring to the written word as the Holy Bible, people do not accept that out of a lack of creativiity.  They accept the "Living Word," because the Holy Spirit comes to live within them and will reveal the truth of the Word to them.

Lets nip this in the bud, shall we?
Please, no preaching.  This is a no-preaching zone and you don't have a license.
Also, insulting people's religion is rude, counterproductive, and it gives nice atheists a bad name.  Stop it.
In the words of one C-Sec officer, the forums "are too important to become a religious battleground".

Modifié par Pauravi, 18 février 2010 - 10:49 .

[The Enkindler]

I liked the dialogue in ME2. I remember hearing the swearing and thinking "whoa! ME1 didn't have that!". I think adding it in ME2 is more real and that it was tastefully done. I like it. It's not there just for the sake of it, I think it adds to the feel and the tone of the story.



I took Jack with me on my squad to the first collector ship and her line "I don't want to be turned into some f**ked up bug-thing!" was so excellently delivered, it made the whole game for me! I'm so glad I took her on that mission.



And the game is only rated 15+ in the UK because we can handle it!

[TekFanX]

Don't know if that has been already stated here, but somehow the writers got a bit stupid at swearing...this, or Jacob is a reaaaally dumb guy.

On his loyalty-mission Jacob calls his father "Son of a *****".

I don't know about his grandma, maybe she deserved to be called a *****, but why is he stating something that makes him the "Grandson of a *****"?

[Wild Still]

**** the ****ing ****ers is what I say. 

[Ibaru88]

Ok, I have to admit, I didn't read the entire thread before posting this. So I'll appolagise beforehand, in case any of the points I am about to mention have already been discussed.

Now, on to the topic at hand.

I chose to reply to this thread mostly because of my oppinions on cencorship and people's view on curse words.

I have spent some time wondering 'why' some people are offended by certain words. And I have found, that those very same people can rarely provide a solid answer to that question.

So I did a bit of thinking.

What is it that could makd a word offensive?

Context? Well seeing as most words that are deemed offensive are nothing but alternate versions of another 'clean' word with the same meaning, I would have a hard time seeing that as a solid reason.

Take the words 'f**k' and 'sex' for example. Both can be used to describe the same thing, yet one of them has the power to offend, shock and even anger.

People don't realy seem to have a problem with what the word 'means'. Hell, if they did, some of us wouldn't be here today.

Another reason I could think of, is how the word sounds. But again I can't see how that would work. It's a series of sounds 'sown' together to form a word. We have not evolved in some odd way to find a certain series of short sounds offputing. A man who had never heard the word "f**k" in his life would most likely not even think about how the word sounded, and would just accept it. Unless ofcourse you were to tell him what it meant. But again he would still have to have some issue with the meaning of the word before he would find it offensive, which leads us right back to my first reason.

So... what conclusion did I come to?

"Because we're told."

That is, as far as I can see, the only reason people take offense to certain words.

When we hear them for the first time and go to ask mum and dad, what they mean. We are baraged with endless rants of "that's a bad word!" and "I don't ever want to hear you say that word, again!"... when we could have gotten a simple "sh*t means poopy, dear" and we could have decided all by ourselves if the word was bad or not. And hey, look at that! Our vocabulary just got bigger!

[HAGA NAGA]

is like posting on a "Teletubby Forum" (god please tell me that doesn't really exist) and saying, "WHY THE F*** IS THERE NO CUSSING ON THESE PROGRAMS!!!!! GODAM LITTLE KIDS ARE RUINING THIS SHOW!"

[KainrycKarr]

A word is only as offensive as you allow it to be. Period. You are incredibly weak-willed if you think otherwise.



If you want to test that, simply use a foreign curse word, on someone who is unaware that that word is a curse word in the language.



They won't bat an eye-lash. Why? BECAUSE IT'S A WORD. It's only offensive once you SAY it's offensive.



They wouldn't even know they're supposed to be offended.