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[Pharsyde99]

I'm not sure I picked correctly here but I opted for the AR once I got the chance. The shotty is nice but I hated having to use the heavy pistol to do any damage at range.

What are your thoughts?

[thisisme8]

I think you chose wisely. And that's coming from a Vanguard at heart. I loves me some shotguns, but on an Adept?

[-Skorpious-]

Claymore is amazing for vanguards who know how to properly utilize charge. Plus, the vanguard was designed to fight in close-quarters - the Claymore can virtually one-shot enemies at point-blank range.

[Pharsyde99]

Hmm.... I guess I'll just have to play it out with the AR. I really only picked it because it seemed to be a good way to help weed out some of the larger groups before charging in to what whould be instant death otherwise.

[RamsenC]

AR is the smart sensible choice, Claymore is the vanguard choice.

[mattp420]

You don't find it redundant that you have SMG and AR?

[ShoNuffarian]

I'm a big claymore advocate. It just fits with the suicidal charging of a Vanguard. I didn't find it all that annoying to have to switch to a pistol at the few sections when you can't charge some enemies.

[Hellraisin]

vanguard not picking claymore is like infiltrator not picking widow, it's just not right. you can pick AR with your soldier, engineer, adept or sentinel playthrough

[Riot Inducer]

mattp420 wrote...

You don't find it redundant that you have SMG and AR?

this^ 

once you get the Tempest it's silly to pick up the Avenger AR, you'd only be using the Vindicator BR and while it's a good weapon I find the Viper sniper rifle to be the superior rapid-fire accuracy-centric weapon. You'll get more range and power out of the Viper, it makes for a very well rounded weapon set.

Still it's personal choice when deciding to take a different weapon type or an advanced weapon. I guess the question is, do you want to specialize in your class' niche or do you want to be a well rounded fighter with a tool for any situation? 

[IndomitusRex]

The Tempest is 80-90% as effective as any AR but the Revenant. If you need more precise long-distance shots you should either switch your class to Soldier or Infiltrator, or make due with your Pistol. If you're not Charging you picked the wrong class. If you are Charging then the Claymore is your best friend. I know some swear by the Scimitar or the Eviscerator, but the Claymore just packs more punch.

[RamsenC]

Riot Inducer wrote...

mattp420 wrote...

You don't find it redundant that you have SMG and AR?

this^ 

once you get the Tempest it's silly to pick up the Avenger AR, you'd only be using the Vindicator BR and while it's a good weapon I find the Viper sniper rifle to be the superior rapid-fire accuracy-centric weapon. You'll get more range and power out of the Viper, it makes for a very well rounded weapon set.

Still it's personal choice when deciding to take a different weapon type or an advanced weapon. I guess the question is, do you want to specialize in your class' niche or do you want to be a well rounded fighter with a tool for any situation? 

I would personally take the Vindicator over the Viper for my Vanguard. Once you get the AR accuracy upgrade its essentially a sniper without a scope. It can also substitute for your shotgun in a pinch. I would only take the Claymore over the Evi if you know how to do the Claymore trick regularly. 

Modifié par RamsenC, 17 février 2010 - 05:35 .

[RighteousRage]

I assume the claymore is the better choice if you want to be a kung fu master?

[ShoNuffarian]

You actually don't melee as much with the claymore vs the other shotties. Most things die in one shot and for everything else you'll want to be using the reload trick to fire as fast as possible. Melee only becomes useful with a claymore to finish off something that's near dead and you don't have anything else near you.

[_Dannok1234]

I'd say it really doesn't matter which shotgun you use(If you know how to use them), they all do their job extremely well. Scimitar is the safest/easiest one to use, then the Evi. Claymore only outshines them if you can do the reload trick(in battle), and even then it's not by a mile. (in regards to time taken to kill and move on to the next enemy. Shot+melee is the key with Evi/Scim)

I personally prefer the flexibility of another weapon, be that Vindicator or a sniper.

[EverteMax]

Well...food for thought. I think what you pick...powers and advance weapon training should complement your class style. For instance, infiltrators are long range, so as Adepts (with powers), Engineers and Sentinels. Soldiers and Vanguards are short to mid-range classes.



You dun have to build your shepard to be an all rounder. You have squad members to do that for you.



So for power centric classes, adepts, sentinels and engineers, pick the AR...or if you want some fun, the sniper, to complement your lack of weapon training.



For a vanguard. Take the claymore, cause it's what you do best.

[sandman7431]

EverteMax wrote...

Well...food for thought. I think what you pick...powers and advance weapon training should complement your class style. For instance, infiltrators are long range, so as Adepts (with powers), Engineers and Sentinels. Soldiers and Vanguards are short to mid-range classes.

You dun have to build your shepard to be an all rounder. You have squad members to do that for you.

So for power centric classes, adepts, sentinels and engineers, pick the AR...or if you want some fun, the sniper, to complement your lack of weapon training.

For a vanguard. Take the claymore, cause it's what you do best.

I would argue with that because IMO you can actually play more aggressively with the vanguard when you take the vindicator.  It allows you to constantly hurt your enemies and even occasionally charge into situations that the shotgun alone wouldn't be able to handle.  The key is mastering weapon transitions.  If you can switch weapons at the right times in combat, the vinticator/eviscerator combo is lethal.  Also vindicator/scimitar is amazingly versatile.  I think the beauty of the vanguard class is that there is no optimal build weapon-wise.

Personally, I don't like picking the sniper rifle with the vanguard.  The vanguard's class provides bonuses for weapon damage that make it equally as effective as a soldier with the AR however without the adrenaline rush or cloak bonuses for slowdown and damage, the sniper rifle really loses its luster in the hands of a vanguard.  Also I find that using the sniper rifle is too time consuming and takes me out of the vanguard play style.  It's sort of like you have to stop being a vanguard for a moment to mess around with a sniper rifle and then you start playing again.  The vindicator actually provides a beautiful synergy with the shotgun as it fills in the blanks in those situations when you're at mid range preparing to charge or just after a charge.

Taking the claymore is great and that's what I did at first with this class but I find that there's a major difference between taking the Claymore with the vanguard and taking the widow with the infiltrator.  With the infiltrator; if you play the class as a sniper, the widow is the clear decision to make.  It is a superior sniper rifle.  The claymore is not clearly superior to the other shotguns.  It can be the best if you're a crack shot and can do the reload trick consistently but the eviscerator is also very powerful with better range and without having the reload problem and the scimitar is extremely versatile with its speed.

I found that the claymore was great for finishing people off but it often required much more patience when it came to softening them up.  With the vindicator, I was able to lay down steady damage to my oponents at all times and still finish them off brutally at point blank range with the eviscerator.  This was my preference.

[CrazyCatDude]

I picked the AR on my first Vanguard Playthough, and the Sniper Rifle on my Second. In my mind, there is no contest. The Sniper Rifle is the absolute best tool in the game for taking out enemies you simply can not charge (The Praetorian on the collector ship, The Human Form Reaper, stupid idiots on those ledges you can't reach, and the dual heavy mechs on the citadel.) If you have the sniper rifle, heavy weapons are darn near a thing of the past.



As for the claymore, I doubt I'll ever take it. I like the flexibility the SR gives me to much, and the damage isn't that much better than the Eviscerator

[Sabresandiego]

I'm not a fan of the claymore because it is poor against multiple targets.

[newcomplex]

Sniper rifle.

[JaegerBane]

Pharsyde99 wrote...

I'm not sure I picked correctly here but I opted for the AR once I got the chance. The shotty is nice but I hated having to use the heavy pistol to do any damage at range.

What are your thoughts?

ARs are fine on a Vanguard. So long as you pick a Vindicator, you have yourself a nice, flexible arsenal.

The Claymore, in my opinion, is a waste of time. It does huge amounts of damage per shot but carries with it a raft of disadvantages. Low ammo, no range to speak of, costs you the option of more flexibility... it just doesn't bring much more to the table than the Eviscerator. Certainly nowhere near enough to justify all the downsides.

[xedgorex]

It really depends on your playstyle, my first playthrough i grabbed the Claymore and had a hell of a time getting used to it, on my second playthrough i was using the evi > then scimitar and grabbed the sniper rifle. But i couldnt do it, i reloaded and grabbed the claymore and haven't looked back.

I think some people are assault vanguards and some people are heavy vanguards.



My survivability and killerability goes severely down without the claymore.

[Atheist Peace]

On the PC i prefer claymore  and scimitar on xbox. I wouldnt worry about it though, eviscerator and scimitar are plenty good enough. Vindicator is actually pretty handy for certain missions where there are places you cant charge too.

Modifié par Atheist Peace, 05 mars 2010 - 01:00 .

[Nexolek]

xedgorex wrote...

It really depends on your playstyle, my first playthrough i grabbed the Claymore and had a hell of a time getting used to it, on my second playthrough i was using the evi > then scimitar and grabbed the sniper rifle. But i couldnt do it, i reloaded and grabbed the claymore and haven't looked back.
I think some people are assault vanguards and some people are heavy vanguards.

My survivability and killerability goes severely down without the claymore.

Exactly that. To each their own. Myself? I can't leave that ship without the Claymore. Without it I don't feel safe or confident. The Claymore just feels right.

[RamsenC]

I've changed my mind about the Vindicator, prefer the Viper a little bit more now. Claymore is fine but you will just struggle a little more in non-charge situations. This is if you know how to do the reload trick, otherwise groups will be trouble.

[awpdevil]

The m22 shotty has higher dps then the claymore, so going with an AR for those situations where you can't get up to your target is much better. Before the m22 came, I used the claymore myself, but no more.



As far as having an smg and ar at the same time. They are not redundant, smgs are for shields/barriers, ar's can do everything fairly well.