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[_Dannok1234]

DaKroganKillla wrote...

Slap Inferno Ammo on the Claymore and you can pretty much charge-shot-melee anything in the game while his buddies are running around on fire regardless of protection. And the reload trick isn't hard to do btw. To anyone who cries "The Claymore has no ammo!" I say if you run out of ammo, you ain't doin it right!

Just curious, how is that different from the two other shotguns? Normally you would use inferno on them as well. That doesn't change the fact that the Evi will kill a group of 3 faster then the Claymore, and the Scimitar can do it at the same speed. Against bosses and the tougher enemies such as guardians/assassins/Vanguards etc etc, die to 2 shots form the Claymore that takes 1.5 ish seconds, with the Evi it takes 1.25+melee with the scimitar you'll do it in 1.8. Due to the stagger effect and such, you'll be just as safe with all of them.

The claymore is marginally better in some instances against bosses/elites, but it's so by so little it doesn't matter at all, and it's not better against normal enemies at all. So that makes shotgun choice completely about tastes. However you cannot ignore the fact that if you mess up the reload trick or miss a shot, the claymore will be less safe then the others.
In regards to the reload trick, I know it's not difficult to do the reload trick, but it still requires a bit of effort, effort/concentration you do not need with the other weapons. It's also good to point out to those that don't know about it, that without it the Claymore is the worst choice.

[_Dannok1234]

@sandman7431

I have to agree with RamenC, that Mech tactic of yours sounds slower then others I can think of. Usually I find that using the Scimitar to take out it's shield from medium/short/point blank, then swapping to the viper is the fastest way to take them down.(swap to shotgun and charge in for the kill once down to health). Smg's only outclasses the shotgun against Ymir at very long range, as they are so damn big that all 8 bullets from the shotgun tend to hit them even at medium distance.

[RamsenC]

Yea thats the nice thing about the hugeness of mechs. No tempest shots or shotgun pellets should miss. Generally I don't like wasting shotgun ammo on mechs though.

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you gotta go claymore man. I was skeptic with my vangaurd at first. I was having some difficulty with him but even at the hardcore difficulty it is so much better with the claymore. The claymore is much better for vangaurds than any other shotgun even the m22. If you arnt playing your vangaurd as a close combat fighter you are really losing out on a style of play. charge is supposed to be your way to close the distance anyways.

[sinosleep]

You can charge just as effectively with any shotgun in the game. And once again, there ARE enemies in the game in position you can't charge. And then there are enemies that are just plain easier to shoot from distance and doing so for those few and far between situations doesn't all of sudden make your vanguard any less of a vanguard. 

Modifié par sinosleep, 05 mars 2010 - 08:31 .

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sinosleep wrote...

You can charge just as effectively with any shotgun in the game. And once again, there ARE enemies in the game in position you can't charge. And then there are enemies that are just plain easier to shoot from distance and doing so for those few and far between situations doesn't all of sudden make your vanguard any less of a vanguard. 

didnt say you couldnt. 

I suggested he should try out the claymore for himself.  He would be missing out if he didnt.  And if he didnt like it well... at least he tried it out.  Its a shame to not try things out for yourself in mass effect.  Thus the insane amounts of replays a person can do.

[sinosleep]

You did say it "is much better than any other shotgun" which does imply that you can't charge as effectively with the others. Although I do agree that everyone should try it and see if it suits their playstyle. 

Modifié par sinosleep, 05 mars 2010 - 08:44 .

[sandman7431]

RamsenC wrote...

sandman7431 wrote...

RamsenC wrote...

The Viper can unleash so much damage, so fast, and safely. I use it over heavy weapons for boss/mech killing.

Really?  You play as a vanguard and fight the harder enemies in the game with a sniper rifle!?  I don't think I could do that with the vanguard.

Try playing them inside-out.  this is why the AR is such a great tool for vanguards.  Basically, use your storm speed to get to cover closer to the mech.  do a bunch of damage on it from close range and then charge away to safety.  Close in on it again and repeat.  You'll probably kill them much more quickly than by peppering them with the viper.

If you are coming in at a closer range, why are you using an AR at all, just use the shotgun. Against mechs I spray down their shields with the tempest then take out armor with the Viper. There is really no better/safer way to do this outside of using heavy weapons. If you charge a mech it has to be alone and you have to take breaks from shooting to take cover.  Also when I say bosses, I don't mean silly mercs with armor and shields. I mean praetorians, gunships, the final boss, etc. 

The Viper also out damages the Vindicator since it fires so fast, so I'm not sure what you are saying. Vindicator has the nice option of replacing your shotgun if you run out of ammo, but that is not a concern to me. I play on the PC so quick aiming with the viper is also no problem. Hell I can fight husks with the viper. 

I tell you what; you're doing a hell of a sales job.  I might have to give the viper another try with the vanguard.

[RamsenC]

sandman7431 wrote...

I tell you what; you're doing a hell of a sales job.  I might have to give the viper another try with the vanguard.

Ahhhh, I finally convinced someone of something. I should stop posting and end on a good note. 

[kefka004]

I prefer the reliability of the Scimitar. I tried the Claymore on my first Vanguard and it just wasn't for me. I think sniper rifles are a great alternative as they help the Vanguard compensate for its one weakness, long range combat.

[sandman7431]

RamsenC wrote...

sandman7431 wrote...

I tell you what; you're doing a hell of a sales job.  I might have to give the viper another try with the vanguard.

Ahhhh, I finally convinced someone of something. I should stop posting and end on a good note. 

 I hear you.

The only thing I'll say is that the AR is useful in mid-range situations.  These are the situations I find myself in as a vanguard before I charge or after a charge when enemies are attempting to flank.  With the vindicator, I'm completely comfortable in these spots.  The smg was just too soft to control the battlefield in these situations.  Then, when the time came I would quickly switch weapons and execute a charge followed by a shotty to the wig.  The synergy between AR and SG is amazing.  With the SR, you are basically firing from outside of charging range much of the time so it takes you out of your optimal position on the battlefield.  But I'm gonna try it again.

[Sabresandiego]

I honestly don't know how anyone can stand spending half the game reloading ammo. I absolutely hate the claymore.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 05 mars 2010 - 11:01 .

[Kronner]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I honestly don't know how anyone can stand spending half the game reloading ammo. I absolutely hate the claymore.

Obviously. From your vids it seems that you miss quite a lot of your shots, so Claymore is obviously not an optimal choice for you. But it can be great for someone else.
I like all shotguns, Claymore is my most favourite shotty not for in-game damage, but because I like the feel Claymore provides. Also, as I said somewhere else I see Vanguards as specialists in close combat so I would never take Assault Rifle, not to mention Sniper Rifle. Even on my Scimitar-only playthrough I still took the Claymore.
It really is a personal preference, all Shotguns are awesome and the differences are hardly noticeable overall. Sometimes I feel like using Scimitar just for change or even the Evi but most of the time I am thinking about the Claymore anyways

Modifié par Kronner, 05 mars 2010 - 12:42 .

[DaKroganKillla]

Dannok1234 wrote...

DaKroganKillla wrote...

Slap Inferno Ammo on the Claymore and you can pretty much charge-shot-melee anything in the game while his buddies are running around on fire regardless of protection. And the reload trick isn't hard to do btw. To anyone who cries "The Claymore has no ammo!" I say if you run out of ammo, you ain't doin it right!

Just curious, how is that different from the two other shotguns? Normally you would use inferno on them as well. That doesn't change the fact that the Evi will kill a group of 3 faster then the Claymore, and the Scimitar can do it at the same speed. Against bosses and the tougher enemies such as guardians/assassins/Vanguards etc etc, die to 2 shots form the Claymore that takes 1.5 ish seconds, with the Evi it takes 1.25+melee with the scimitar you'll do it in 1.8. Due to the stagger effect and such, you'll be just as safe with all of them.

The claymore is marginally better in some instances against bosses/elites, but it's so by so little it doesn't matter at all, and it's not better against normal enemies at all. So that makes shotgun choice completely about tastes. However you cannot ignore the fact that if you mess up the reload trick or miss a shot, the claymore will be less safe then the others.
In regards to the reload trick, I know it's not difficult to do the reload trick, but it still requires a bit of effort, effort/concentration you do not need with the other weapons. It's also good to point out to those that don't know about it, that without it the Claymore is the worst choice.

To kill three people with the evi takes three  shots. Either that or it's just harder to hit multiple people because of diminished spread. IF you mess up the reload trick, sure it can be dangerous, but as I said before, it is not hard to do and I've done it so much by now it's become second nature. And people who do not know about the trick are probably not reading this thread, so they don't count.

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Kronner wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

I honestly don't know how anyone can stand spending half the game reloading ammo. I absolutely hate the claymore.

Obviously. From your vids it seems that you miss quite a lot of your shots, so Claymore is obviously not an optimal choice for you. But it can be great for someone else.
I like all shotguns, Claymore is my most favourite shotty not for in-game damage, but because I like the feel Claymore provides. Also, as I said somewhere else I see Vanguards as specialists in close combat so I would never take Assault Rifle, not to mention Sniper Rifle. Even on my Scimitar-only playthrough I still took the Claymore.
It really is a personal preference, all Shotguns are awesome and the differences are hardly noticeable overall. Sometimes I feel like using Scimitar just for change or even the Evi but most of the time I am thinking about the Claymore anyways

I agree 100 percent for the vangaurd.  The thrill of timing charges, shot, melee, reload and succeeding is well, damn exciting.  Its to the point I rarely use my other weapons.  But each to their own I guess.     I still say try out the claymore for yourself if you are feeling adventerous...

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sinosleep wrote...

You did say it "is much better than any other shotgun" which does imply that you can't charge as effectively with the others. Although I do agree that everyone should try it and see if it suits their playstyle. 

I should watch what I say  I get excited and I type away.  I was looking at the choices OP had AR or claymore, I didnt know different shotguns were part of debate. 

[Nexolek]

Exactly. You can watch all the vids you want and look at all the numbers but you really just need to give each a try. Find what fits your playstyle. The Claymore fits me, but it doesn't work for everyone. Experiment. The numbers don't mean all that much since the shottys are quite close anyway. I save the AR and SR for other classes, but that's just me.



Also, the big Vanguard thread is now a sticky. Check that out for a ton of info about... everything.