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[VampireCommando]

well as long as they dont send Ash to try and take me out as the new spectre our something i'm game . And one other thing, i dont want my Paragon Shepard to be labeled the new saren, that would suck ass big time, but i do want to see the Turian councliors face when the reapers do show up in person and harbinger puts his reaper boot up his turian ass, and then say 'Ah reapers'. And Shepard's line to be ' I ****ING TOLD YOU SO!!' that would put a smile on my face.

[XWAU_Forceflow]

Well, count me in for the ones feeling really stupid for not actually seeing this earlier.

You are doing what Saren did, different yes, but still dangerous as hell.

Saren made sure he had full control over everybody. You just make everybody stronger and potentially have the whole galaxy go ballistic.(Without so much as one reaper showing up btw.)

- Geth: possible danger to all of the galaxy (good thing you added to their numbers by reprogramming the Heretics)

- Rachni: Wasn't there a huge war with them already? Great, you saved their queen so they can start all over again

- Krogan: They threatened the whole galaxy with their sheer numbers. Good thing you are about to destroy the only thing that kept them in check

- AI Ship: good thing that is not illegal and highly dangerous (oh wait, it is...)

- Working with Cerberus... they are only a little bit or a terrorist group...



Seriously, how can the Council NOT declare you an enemy of the galaxy?



Well, there are countless possibilities for ME3, let's just hope Bioware doesn't cop out like they did in ME2 with your choices...

[VampireCommando]

XWAU_Forceflow wrote...

Well, count me in for the ones feeling really stupid for not actually seeing this earlier.
You are doing what Saren did, different yes, but still dangerous as hell.
Saren made sure he had full control over everybody. You just make everybody stronger and potentially have the whole galaxy go ballistic.(Without so much as one reaper showing up btw.)
- Geth: possible danger to all of the galaxy (good thing you added to their numbers by reprogramming the Heretics)
- Rachni: Wasn't there a huge war with them already? Great, you saved their queen so they can start all over again
- Krogan: They threatened the whole galaxy with their sheer numbers. Good thing you are about to destroy the only thing that kept them in check
- AI Ship: good thing that is not illegal and highly dangerous (oh wait, it is...)
- Working with Cerberus... they are only a little bit or a terrorist group...

Seriously, how can the Council NOT declare you an enemy of the galaxy?

Well, there are countless possibilities for ME3, let's just hope Bioware doesn't cop out like they did in ME2 with your choices...

because the council can see you are trying to untie the galaxy to fight the reapers, not force them into submission like saren was trying to do, and dont forget if your make the paragon choice at the end of ME2, your pritty much telling cerberus to go **** thereselves, the geth through legion say that they are not openly hostile but want what is best for the people, and are open to peace, even with the quarians, the rachni were forced to war by the reapers, the queen/asari subltely hints at this on illium, and you have a POSSIABLE cure for the krogan, not a definat one, and you have your good friend wrex leading them, and wrex is trying to avoid what happened last time with the krogan, and EDI says at the end about her beeing your crew mates, and not betraying you ect, ect,. so i think even though there are similarites in there between Shep and saren, i think people, including the council will reconise what Shep is trying to do, and is not a rouge/ tratior

[stuffingam]

The whole reaper thing is pretty much covered too considering the plans of Harbringer you get from the collector general...

[Beholderess]

VampireCommando wrote...

XWAU_Forceflow wrote...

Well, count me in for the ones feeling really stupid for not actually seeing this earlier.
You are doing what Saren did, different yes, but still dangerous as hell.
Saren made sure he had full control over everybody. You just make everybody stronger and potentially have the whole galaxy go ballistic.(Without so much as one reaper showing up btw.)
- Geth: possible danger to all of the galaxy (good thing you added to their numbers by reprogramming the Heretics)
- Rachni: Wasn't there a huge war with them already? Great, you saved their queen so they can start all over again
- Krogan: They threatened the whole galaxy with their sheer numbers. Good thing you are about to destroy the only thing that kept them in check
- AI Ship: good thing that is not illegal and highly dangerous (oh wait, it is...)
- Working with Cerberus... they are only a little bit or a terrorist group...

Seriously, how can the Council NOT declare you an enemy of the galaxy?

Well, there are countless possibilities for ME3, let's just hope Bioware doesn't cop out like they did in ME2 with your choices...

because the council can see you are trying to untie the galaxy to fight the reapers, not force them into submission like saren was trying to do, and dont forget if your make the paragon choice at the end of ME2, your pritty much telling cerberus to go **** thereselves, the geth through legion say that they are not openly hostile but want what is best for the people, and are open to peace, even with the quarians, the rachni were forced to war by the reapers, the queen/asari subltely hints at this on illium, and you have a POSSIABLE cure for the krogan, not a definat one, and you have your good friend wrex leading them, and wrex is trying to avoid what happened last time with the krogan, and EDI says at the end about her beeing your crew mates, and not betraying you ect, ect,. so i think even though there are similarites in there between Shep and saren, i think people, including the council will reconise what Shep is trying to do, and is not a rouge/ tratior

Heh, I wish it was so, but it seems that the Council (no matter which version) is not very keep on recognising Shepards efforts. At least, not without some sort of direct threat handing over their heads). I am sure that Shep will be able to explain the situation - eventually. But certainly not before a...misunderstanding. Or two.

[Sialater]

The Council? Recognize Shepard's efforts? Surely you jest!



Nope, they're going to look at the surface and declare your ass outlaw, whether you were reinstated as a Spectre or not.

[Enuhal]

Considering how they handled Cerberus in ME1 and 2 ("evil terrorists experimenting with humans and killing poor Kahoku" => "The only hope for the galaxy, your best friends, they are the people who actually do something") I wouldn't be surprised if you form an alliance with Harbinger to defeat the now hostile council. That would be great. Harbinger is so much cooler anyway.



Great Thread btw.

[Clarence2679]

I hope the council does send spectres after me i will gladly kill them all if they sent Ash after me I will be more than glad to kill her my former Li called me a traitor and all. She has a few bullets and biotic with her name on them, that would be so cool though to have the council send everone after you like they did with Saren. I hope that happens.

[VampireCommando]

i just want to see Harbinger put his reaper boot up that Turian councilor's ass, and say do you belive in me now then ****, i'll be hapy with that.

[babylonfreak]

VampireCommando wrote...

XWAU_Forceflow wrote...

Well, count me in for the ones feeling really stupid for not actually seeing this earlier.
You are doing what Saren did, different yes, but still dangerous as hell.
Saren made sure he had full control over everybody. You just make everybody stronger and potentially have the whole galaxy go ballistic.(Without so much as one reaper showing up btw.)
- Geth: possible danger to all of the galaxy (good thing you added to their numbers by reprogramming the Heretics)
- Rachni: Wasn't there a huge war with them already? Great, you saved their queen so they can start all over again
- Krogan: They threatened the whole galaxy with their sheer numbers. Good thing you are about to destroy the only thing that kept them in check
- AI Ship: good thing that is not illegal and highly dangerous (oh wait, it is...)
- Working with Cerberus... they are only a little bit or a terrorist group...

Seriously, how can the Council NOT declare you an enemy of the galaxy?

Well, there are countless possibilities for ME3, let's just hope Bioware doesn't cop out like they did in ME2 with your choices...

because the council can see you are trying to untie the galaxy to fight the reapers, not force them into submission like saren was trying to do, and dont forget if your make the paragon choice at the end of ME2, your pritty much telling cerberus to go **** thereselves, the geth through legion say that they are not openly hostile but want what is best for the people, and are open to peace, even with the quarians, the rachni were forced to war by the reapers, the queen/asari subltely hints at this on illium, and you have a POSSIABLE cure for the krogan, not a definat one, and you have your good friend wrex leading them, and wrex is trying to avoid what happened last time with the krogan, and EDI says at the end about her beeing your crew mates, and not betraying you ect, ect,. so i think even though there are similarites in there between Shep and saren, i think people, including the council will reconise what Shep is trying to do, and is not a rouge/ tratior

Ah, yes, "Reapers"

So let's recap. In the eyes of the council you:

*Strengthened the Geth, who nearly committed genocide on the Quarians.
*Resurrected the Rachni, who invaded Council Space.
*Found a cure to the Krogan genophage, who committed genocide on the Rachni and then invaded Council Space.
*Unshackled an AI creating a sentient warship, a crime in Council Space.
*Worked with Cerberus. Even if you quit, you have worked for a  group that experimented with Rachni... I sense a pattern?

And now you're screaming about Reapers. Which is exactly what they accused Saren OF: screaming about reapers to hide his activities, and his Geth and Krogan and Rachni army.

It's a good thing the Council isn't stupid and doesn't think another Specter would try the very same trick again.

Oh. Wait...

[Bonecrusherr]

Lunarionsilver wrote...

Sfox1989 wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

Actually, I think he's more or less laughing because:
I have an army of Geth.
I have an army of Rachni.
I have a cure from the genophage.
Why does that sound awfully familar?

Now this is the truth. I have a feeling in ME3 we will be in the same spot Saren was minus the indoctrination, that Sheperd will be declared rogue or something...full circle.

That's my theory. That said, Saren also thought himself the hero of the galaxy; saving us from the Reapers. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

ME2 follows too much renegade style. Even you follow paragon, you feel like a renegade, mafia poses, quick temper, badly attitude etc...
I also think in ME3 Shephard will be like Saren and will die trying to fight with Reapers.

[Trenrade]

I still think the reaper IFF will turn the normandy into its own living being and bake the crew alive.

[Zafezase]

This thread is pure win, still.

[bandfred]

I'm either hoping for one of the following:



a) a Spectre (not an asari or turian, maybe a quarian, salarian, krogan, drell) becomes the new you, in that he is tracking the rogue spectre, you get caught, he/she interrogates you, you break free and he/she goes after you



same as above, except that spectre is the newly inducted Virmire survivor

[Vaenier]

Holy thread necromancy batman!

Trenrade wrote...

I still think the reaper IFF will turn the normandy into its own living being and bake the crew alive.

EDI... so the Normandy is already alive. the baking the crew alive would never happen. Its such a stupid idea to think EDI would ever cook the crew. Come on, use your head.

She would just vent the atmosphere, duh...

[gethspy]

Ajspeed wrote...

The ultimate Plot twist for ME3 Saren isnt dead! DUN DUNNNNNN

my reply can be summed up as such,

[Onyx Jaguar]

Every time I post a link to a thread, that thread gets necro'd =D

[Jonathan Shepard]

Lunarionsilver wrote...

Sfox1989 wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

Actually, I think he's more or less laughing because:
I have an army of Geth.
I have an army of Rachni.
I have a cure from the genophage.
Why does that sound awfully familar?

Now this is the truth. I have a feeling in ME3 we will be in the same spot Saren was minus the indoctrination, that Sheperd will be declared rogue or something...full circle.

That's my theory. That said, Saren also thought himself the hero of the galaxy; saving us from the Reapers. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Maybe the Turian councilor was right... it's a shocking thing to actually consider, but maybe Saren did mess with Shep's head.

[gethspy]

LOST GAM3R wrote...

And only the first Quarian spectre can stop Shepard!

Saren: Shepard, I am your father.
Shepard: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Quarian: I'm here to stop you!
Shepard: I am your father
Quarian: (head explodes)

[Beholderess]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

Sfox1989 wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

Actually, I think he's more or less laughing because:
I have an army of Geth.
I have an army of Rachni.
I have a cure from the genophage.
Why does that sound awfully familar?

Now this is the truth. I have a feeling in ME3 we will be in the same spot Saren was minus the indoctrination, that Sheperd will be declared rogue or something...full circle.

That's my theory. That said, Saren also thought himself the hero of the galaxy; saving us from the Reapers. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Maybe the Turian councilor was right... it's a shocking thing to actually consider, but maybe Saren did mess with Shep's head.

Even if Saren didn't, the Sovereign certainly could.

[gethspy]

no shepard, you are Saren
and then he was an assclown

[Vegielamb]

From the second they resurrected Shep, I've been thinking this. It's really obvious if you look at it. I'm hoping the game is snowballing your choices and by the time we reach 3, all these choices will be huge.

[Big I]

I completely agree; Paragon Shepard is doing the same things Saren did. Paragon instead of Renegade, and against the Reapers instead of for, but still - Shepard is the new Saren.



What I would love to happen in ME3 is for Shepard to be hunted or investigated by another Spectre, as already mentioned. Not necessarily Ash or Kaiden; I think it would be hilarious if it was the first batarian Spectre or something.

[Panda Warlock]

Oh yeah. I can picture it in my mind. Specters gathered before the Council (with Udina, or without Anderson. He'd never agree with this bs. But he is only 1 out of 4 members).

"We have very distressing news about Commandor Shepard. The first Human Spectre. He was once one of our best operatives, but now we can find him nothing more than a traitor and a threat to all we are sworn to protect. Two years ago, he faked his death, and was considered missing in action. Only recently we uncovered, that he was not only alive, but working for a known and dangerous terrorist group named Cerberus.
He uses a ship, constructed with stolen data of his former vessel, and remains of the ship traitor Saren used. This ship is rumored to be equipped by an AI, which we all know is illegal and dangerous.
But that is only the tip of the iceberg. surrounded by criminals, assassins, rebels and mercenaries he uses threat of the Reapers to gather an army. By his charisma and fear he tries to unite all the threats the Council had to repel. Brainwashed geth, resurrected rachni and even krogans, gathered by his ally Urdnot Wrex. Shepard obtained the data that can cure the genophage and thus provide a powerful krogan army at his command.
With such power, there is only one logical thing he can have in mind. To overthrow the Council, claim the Citadel and seize all the power in known galaxy. This is where You come in to play. All the most elite Spectres we have. Best of the best. our first and last line of defense. You have to stop Shepard, before his hunger of power will cause a war greater than anything we know. We are counting on you."

Sorry about that. Just had to write it..

If you think about it, it is really quite possible scenario. Council would be much more willing to believe in another rogue agent, than "Ah, yes. Reapers". I'd actually love to see that. A Paragon Shep going all like "fight me all you want. I WILL save you, even if you put a gun to my face" against a whole space community trying to hunt him down. Mercs, military, bounty hunters, Spectres... A lot of enemies, and Paragon caneven feel bad for killing them just because they don't know the real story and they do what they consider right...

[Beholderess]

Panda Warlock wrote...

Oh yeah. I can picture it in my mind. Specters gathered before the Council (with Udina, or without Anderson. He'd never agree with this bs. But he is only 1 out of 4 members).

"We have very distressing news about Commandor Shepard. The first Human Spectre. He was once one of our best operatives, but now we can find him nothing more than a traitor and a threat to all we are sworn to protect. Two years ago, he faked his death, and was considered missing in action. Only recently we uncovered, that he was not only alive, but working for a known and dangerous terrorist group named Cerberus.
He uses a ship, constructed with stolen data of his former vessel, and remains of the ship traitor Saren used. This ship is rumored to be equipped by an AI, which we all know is illegal and dangerous.
But that is only the tip of the iceberg. surrounded by criminals, assassins, rebels and mercenaries he uses threat of the Reapers to gather an army. By his charisma and fear he tries to unite all the threats the Council had to repel. Brainwashed geth, resurrected rachni and even krogans, gathered by his ally Urdnot Wrex. Shepard obtained the data that can cure the genophage and thus provide a powerful krogan army at his command.
With such power, there is only one logical thing he can have in mind. To overthrow the Council, claim the Citadel and seize all the power in known galaxy. This is where You come in to play. All the most elite Spectres we have. Best of the best. our first and last line of defense. You have to stop Shepard, before his hunger of power will cause a war greater than anything we know. We are counting on you."

Sorry about that. Just had to write it..

If you think about it, it is really quite possible scenario. Council would be much more willing to believe in another rogue agent, than "Ah, yes. Reapers". I'd actually love to see that. A Paragon Shep going all like "fight me all you want. I WILL save you, even if you put a gun to my face" against a whole space community trying to hunt him down. Mercs, military, bounty hunters, Spectres... A lot of enemies, and Paragon caneven feel bad for killing them just because they don't know the real story and they do what they consider right...

I think it would be fun to have another Spectre hounding Shepard through ME3, just like Shepard hounded Saren. Not as the main point of the storyline, of cource, but as a distraction and complication along the main quest. It could be a good opportunity to show thw difference between Paragon and Renegade, as they'll certainly have quite...different...ways of dealing with a misguided Spectre.