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[biomag]

Paragon Shep becoming "The next Saren" would be the perfect finish.

Renegade Shep could become "The next Darth Vader" lead by Timmy instead of the pope.



I really, really would love this ending. Especially seeing my main character somewhere in between - neither paragon nor renegade... great

[darthbuert]

The whole issue of Shepard being viewed by the council and the Alliance as a whole as a surrogate Saren 2.0 is an interesting theory and makes a great deal of sense if you think about it. I remember before ME1 came out, Bioware was quick to liken Shepard as "Jack Bauer; in space"...and Jack Bauer is always being viewed by his "higher-ups" as rogue from season-to-season. The correlation makes for interesting speculation.

[Fatso8686]

I think everyone is missing the point.  The council is diverse, and shepard has single handedly united half a dozen races to fight for the same thing.  This could be seen as a good thing to the council, that shepard wants to help by uniting races together!

[Lukertin]

Fatso8686 wrote...

I think everyone is missing the point.  The council is diverse, and shepard has single handedly united half a dozen races to fight for the same thing.  This could be seen as a good thing to the council, that shepard wants to help by uniting races together!

Or it's a power grab and threat to their authority.

[jamesp81]

Lunarionsilver wrote...

Sfox1989 wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

Actually, I think he's more or less laughing because:
I have an army of Geth.
I have an army of Rachni.
I have a cure from the genophage.
Why does that sound awfully familar?

Now this is the truth. I have a feeling in ME3 we will be in the same spot Saren was minus the indoctrination, that Sheperd will be declared rogue or something...full circle.

That's my theory. That said, Saren also thought himself the hero of the galaxy; saving us from the Reapers. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Not really, no.

Saren: We will surrender to the Reapers, prove ourselves useful, and survive in some form as their slaves.

Shepard: We will fight to the last man, woman, and child.  It's them or us and no in-between.

Yeah, I'm not seeing the similarities much.

[hero3440]

I can't believe it but in a way Shepard has some what become Saren; never about it but until I read this thread but after doing dlc Arrival people are gonna look at shepard as either a Human Saren or The new Illusive man or hybrid of both.

I think the VS will maybe become spectre ask shepard why the heck did Shepard blow up a mass relay with an entire star systems killing all those bartarians.

[The Grey Ranger]

Dude, this thread needs braiiinssss!!! Zombie thread much.

[The Chosen Predator]

that actually makes perfect sense we're becoming, Saren.. I said in a previous thread so much people must want to kill shepard for all his actions - this can be a crazy ride.

[hero3440]

Can you imagine look on Shepard's face when (he or she) realizes this?

[Nerevar-as]

Saren always did the easiest thing.

When PShepard actions have a high cost, it is the ONLY solution avaible to him/her. Renegade Shepard is worst than Saren.

[Pwener2313]

I agree OP, that ending would be great for renegades. ME2 is alll about comparing Shepard to Saren in every way possible.

[hero3440]

The Chosen Predator wrote...

that actually makes perfect sense we're becoming, Saren.. I said in a previous thread so much people must want to kill shepard for all his actions - this can be a crazy ride.

Yep I can imagine that one news reporter lady we see from ME 1 and 2 make report stating "Has human Commander Shepard become the rogue (he or she) was once assinged to hunt down?"

[ProdigalMaster]

This scene reversed, with Batarian representatives on one side, and Shepard on the other.



What I'm wondering about, is whether someone could actually use Shepard's villinizaton after the destruction of the Bahak system to actually pin Saren's crimes on him.

Imagine a political initiative to present Shepard as possibly responsible for the -first- attack on the citadel. Combined with a push to regard Saren as a tragic wrongly villinized hero,who tried to stop him from the very start. Shepard's possible motivation?

Facilitating a takeover on behalf of the alliance. (Renegade- You let the council die)
Furthering an alliance scheme to get a seat on the council.(Paragon- You save the council)

And lets consider how the events of ME2 can be twisted to support that:

Shepard feigned his own death in order to work with Cerberus, culminating in the devastating terrorist attack on the Bahak system. Destroying a world of great symbolic value to the Batarian population, colonized as part of an effort to prove the strength and resolve of their people. Everyone knows Humans and Batarians have been at each others throats for a long time. Could it be that Cerberus is actually a covert arm of the Alliance? Furthering Alliance agenda through treachery, deceit and terrorism?

And suddenly the galaxy saw Shepard was a radical human-centric terrorist, and the alliance was his power hungry master, masterfully hidden behind the Cerberus mask all along.

Modifié par ProdigalMaster, 31 mars 2011 - 08:53 .

[eye basher]

You'd need one hell of a spin doctor to sell that.

[ProdigalMaster]

The Turian councilor knows how to spin!

[Dave666]

One thing I'm wondering is whether the writers are going to use the 'message from beyond the grave' technique and have Shep receive a message from Sarren that he wrote in case he died...

[this isnt my name]

I approve of this, becoming the very thing you destroyed is a nice twist, and I didnt even notice until now, **** now I am interested in ME3.

ProdigalMaster wrote...

This scene reversed, with Batarian representatives on one side, and Shepard on the other.



What
I'm wondering about, is whether someone could actually use Shepard's
villinizaton after the destruction of the Bahak system to actually pin
Saren's crimes on him.

Imagine a political initiative to present
Shepard as possibly responsible for the -first- attack on the citadel.
Combined with a push to regard Saren as a tragic wrongly villinized
hero,who tried to stop him from the very start. Shepard's possible
motivation?

Facilitating a takeover on behalf of the alliance. (Renegade- You let the council die)
Furthering an alliance scheme to get a seat on the council.(Paragon- You save the council)

And lets consider how the events of ME2 can be twisted to support that:

Shepard
feigned his own death in order to work with Cerberus, culminating in
the devastating terrorist attack on the Bahak system. Destroying a world
of great symbolic value to the Batarian population, colonized as part
of an effort to prove the strength and resolve of their people. Everyone
knows Humans and Batarians have been at each others throats for a long
time. Could it be that Cerberus is actually a covert arm of the
Alliance? Furthering Alliance agenda through treachery, deceit and
terrorism?

And suddenly the galaxy saw Shepard was a radical
human-centric terrorist, and the alliance was his power hungry master,
masterfully hidden behind the Cerberus mask all along.

Saren was stripped of aid and hunted after his attack on eden prime, now shep destroys an entire system...
Damn, this will be interesting.

Modifié par this isnt my name, 31 mars 2011 - 09:30 .

[hero3440]

this isnt my name wrote...

I approve of this, becoming the very thing you destroyed is a nice twist, and I didnt even notice until now, **** now I am interested in ME3.

ProdigalMaster wrote...

This scene reversed, with Batarian representatives on one side, and Shepard on the other.



What
I'm wondering about, is whether someone could actually use Shepard's
villinizaton after the destruction of the Bahak system to actually pin
Saren's crimes on him.

Imagine a political initiative to present
Shepard as possibly responsible for the -first- attack on the citadel.
Combined with a push to regard Saren as a tragic wrongly villinized
hero,who tried to stop him from the very start. Shepard's possible
motivation?

Facilitating a takeover on behalf of the alliance. (Renegade- You let the council die)
Furthering an alliance scheme to get a seat on the council.(Paragon- You save the council)

And lets consider how the events of ME2 can be twisted to support that:

Shepard
feigned his own death in order to work with Cerberus, culminating in
the devastating terrorist attack on the Bahak system. Destroying a world
of great symbolic value to the Batarian population, colonized as part
of an effort to prove the strength and resolve of their people. Everyone
knows Humans and Batarians have been at each others throats for a long
time. Could it be that Cerberus is actually a covert arm of the
Alliance? Furthering Alliance agenda through treachery, deceit and
terrorism?

And suddenly the galaxy saw Shepard was a radical
human-centric terrorist, and the alliance was his power hungry master,
masterfully hidden behind the Cerberus mask all along.

Saren was stripped of aid and hunted after his attack on eden prime, now shep destroys an entire system...
Damn, this will be interesting.

I can see Shepard on Normnady one day after completing a mission in his or her quarter cleaning him or her self up then looking at a mirrior still haunted by what happened in arrival. Depending on the choices he or she made either see Saren or TIM looking back at him telling Shepard that your the same as them. Then Shepard not wanting to hear it smashes the mirrior.

[this isnt my name]

hero3440 wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

I approve of this, becoming the very thing you destroyed is a nice twist, and I didnt even notice until now, **** now I am interested in ME3.

ProdigalMaster wrote...

This scene reversed, with Batarian representatives on one side, and Shepard on the other.



What
I'm wondering about, is whether someone could actually use Shepard's
villinizaton after the destruction of the Bahak system to actually pin
Saren's crimes on him.

Imagine a political initiative to present
Shepard as possibly responsible for the -first- attack on the citadel.
Combined with a push to regard Saren as a tragic wrongly villinized
hero,who tried to stop him from the very start. Shepard's possible
motivation?

Facilitating a takeover on behalf of the alliance. (Renegade- You let the council die)
Furthering an alliance scheme to get a seat on the council.(Paragon- You save the council)

And lets consider how the events of ME2 can be twisted to support that:

Shepard
feigned his own death in order to work with Cerberus, culminating in
the devastating terrorist attack on the Bahak system. Destroying a world
of great symbolic value to the Batarian population, colonized as part
of an effort to prove the strength and resolve of their people. Everyone
knows Humans and Batarians have been at each others throats for a long
time. Could it be that Cerberus is actually a covert arm of the
Alliance? Furthering Alliance agenda through treachery, deceit and
terrorism?

And suddenly the galaxy saw Shepard was a radical
human-centric terrorist, and the alliance was his power hungry master,
masterfully hidden behind the Cerberus mask all along.

Saren was stripped of aid and hunted after his attack on eden prime, now shep destroys an entire system...
Damn, this will be interesting.

I can see Shepard on Normnady one day after completing a mission in his or her quarter cleaning him or her self up then looking at a mirrior still haunted by what happened in arrival. Depending on the choices he or she made either see Saren or TIM looking back at him telling Shepard that your the same as them. Then Shepard not wanting to hear it smashes the mirrior.

That could lead to a deadspace style thing, where you are slowly being indoctrinated.

[hero3440]

this isnt my name wrote...

hero3440 wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

I approve of this, becoming the very thing you destroyed is a nice twist, and I didnt even notice until now, **** now I am interested in ME3.

ProdigalMaster wrote...

This scene reversed, with Batarian representatives on one side, and Shepard on the other.



What
I'm wondering about, is whether someone could actually use Shepard's
villinizaton after the destruction of the Bahak system to actually pin
Saren's crimes on him.

Imagine a political initiative to present
Shepard as possibly responsible for the -first- attack on the citadel.
Combined with a push to regard Saren as a tragic wrongly villinized
hero,who tried to stop him from the very start. Shepard's possible
motivation?

Facilitating a takeover on behalf of the alliance. (Renegade- You let the council die)
Furthering an alliance scheme to get a seat on the council.(Paragon- You save the council)

And lets consider how the events of ME2 can be twisted to support that:

Shepard
feigned his own death in order to work with Cerberus, culminating in
the devastating terrorist attack on the Bahak system. Destroying a world
of great symbolic value to the Batarian population, colonized as part
of an effort to prove the strength and resolve of their people. Everyone
knows Humans and Batarians have been at each others throats for a long
time. Could it be that Cerberus is actually a covert arm of the
Alliance? Furthering Alliance agenda through treachery, deceit and
terrorism?

And suddenly the galaxy saw Shepard was a radical
human-centric terrorist, and the alliance was his power hungry master,
masterfully hidden behind the Cerberus mask all along.

Saren was stripped of aid and hunted after his attack on eden prime, now shep destroys an entire system...
Damn, this will be interesting.

I can see Shepard on Normnady one day after completing a mission in his or her quarter cleaning him or her self up then looking at a mirrior still haunted by what happened in arrival. Depending on the choices he or she made either see Saren or TIM looking back at him telling Shepard that your the same as them. Then Shepard not wanting to hear it smashes the mirrior.

That could lead to a deadspace style thing, where you are slowly being indoctrinated.

It is possible afteall if you played the new dlc Arrival misson Shepard was sedated for two whole days who know what they might have done to Shepard during that time.

[GreenDragon37]

Oh my God! My mind has been blown!

If BioWare pursues this course of action, I will respect them... forever.

What'd be a really cool idea is the VS becoming a Spectre and hunting you down with the help of other Spectres.

Also, for the trial, I demand Saren quotes as renegade dialogue options!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2011 - 03:21 .

[vkt62]

You are all too late. Shepard was already indoctrinated while he was in the collector base. He just doesn't know it yet. The Asari Spectre and the arrival missions were created by the reapers to make you look rogue to the council.

Modifié par vkt62, 01 avril 2011 - 03:21 .

[Werrf]

SO, Bioware have said that Mass Effect 3 will come out sooner than Mass Effect 2, because there's no need to force the story into a standardised ending that would be importable to the next game. This means they can have radically divergent storylines based on your choices in earlier games. So I'd guess that whether you are treated as the next Saren or not will depend on your alignment.

If you've gone Paragon, the council recognises that despite questionable actions in places, you have always upheld the honor of the council and the good name of the Spectres, and continue to support you. You play the game under the aegis of the council, with the Citadel as a home base providing Normandy with supplies.

If you've gone Renegade, the council brands you Saren 2.0, clearly following in the footsteps of the traitor, and bringing your rampaging geth ships in the shape of Reapers into the galaxy to satisfy your mad lust for power. You are cut off from the council, and have to turn to Cerberus for logistical support. You continue the fight as an independent merc, pursued by Specters wherever you go.

IMO.

[GreenDragon37]

Werrf wrote...

SO, Bioware have said that Mass Effect 3 will come out sooner than Mass Effect 2, because there's no need to force the story into a standardised ending that would be importable to the next game. This means they can have radically divergent storylines based on your choices in earlier games. So I'd guess that whether you are treated as the next Saren or not will depend on your alignment.

If you've gone Paragon, the council recognises that despite questionable actions in places, you have always upheld the honor of the council and the good name of the Spectres, and continue to support you. You play the game under the aegis of the council, with the Citadel as a home base providing Normandy with supplies.

If you've gone Renegade, the council brands you Saren 2.0, clearly following in the footsteps of the traitor, and bringing your rampaging geth ships in the shape of Reapers into the galaxy to satisfy your mad lust for power. You are cut off from the council, and have to turn to Cerberus for logistical support. You continue the fight as an independent merc, pursued by Specters wherever you go.

IMO.

However, I think from Arrival, they've shown us that they want a standard starting point for everyone. That's the problem when you try to "introduce new people to the series", you have to make sacrifices.