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[Talogrungi]

ScriptDiver wrote...

The problem is, and I think it has been mentioned before, the amount of developer work that goes into the creation of a squadmate. They already have Kaidan/Ashley and if they want him/her as a squaddie in ME3 they already have dual the workload.

In ME2 everyone can die, and so keeping them all, or even a few of them, as recruitables in ME3 will quadruple the workload or even worse. I'm not putting it beyond BioWare, but I find it extremely unlikely. No matter what the fanbois cry.

Creating a canon that says "these guys survived" (except for Shepard ofc) goes against the whole concept of the game and I sure hope they stay far, faaaar, away from that.

I would almost bet my right arm that the only thing we'll see ME2 squadmates in ME3 is as Wrex-style cameos.

There has to be a canon for non-imported games, and if the ME2 canon is any indication, ME3s won't be "best case scenario" with everyone surviving the suicide mission.

I'm not convinced that incorporating an additional squadmate is such a huge timesink; we got Zaeed as DLC, and there's (supposedly) another new squadmate planned.

[Unato]

judging from forum, if tali and garus doesn't return you're going to see a forum meltdown when ME3 comes out

[stillnotking]

Talogrungi wrote...

I'm not convinced that incorporating an additional squadmate is such a huge timesink; we got Zaeed as DLC, and there's (supposedly) another new squadmate planned.

True, but you'll notice that Zaeed has very little dialogue, isn't a love interest, and doesn't play a major role in the story at all.  I'd estimate he has less than half the speaking time of the other squaddies.

Given a choice between an ME3 full of Zaeeds and an ME3 with mostly new squad members, I'd take the latter, personally.

[OutlawJT]

I posted this theory elsewhere but looks like it should be said here, too.



I firmly believe there will be at least 5 new squadmates in ME3. Reason being, the only class that is guaranteed to have a surviving potential squad representative is adept with the survival of Liara. So, that means they will likely introduce 5 new potential squadmates to represent the other 5 classes. Now, I am not as certain that all 5 will be mandatory recruits, or that there will only be 5 new recruits. What I would like to see is some of them being optional recruits that fall in line with a selection of surviving squadies from your save so you can fill out a fully balanced squad with some influence as to who you take along for the ride.

So, while I'm confident there will be at least 5 new squad recruits I think it's too soon to speculate any other possibilities for the future of Shephard's squad (except the theory that Liara and Kaiden/Ashley will rejoin as a squadie).

[VampireCommando]

well i hope you can have all the character that survive from ME1 and ME2, even though i know it wont be feasiable, we can hope at least lol, i wouldn't mind having my virmire survivor back, as Ash is my LI as well.



and i reckon captain Anderson for a recuitable squad mate would be awesome

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VampireCommando wrote...

well i hope you can have all the character that survive from ME1 and ME2, even though i know it wont be feasiable, we can hope at least lol, i wouldn't mind having my virmire survivor back, as Ash is my LI as well.

and i reckon captain Anderson for a recuitable squad mate would be awesome

I was just thinking that for captain anderson being recuirtable...  It would be nice for virmire survivor to come back in ME3 but I doubt it.  My LI in ME1 was Ashley but it made for good cameo in ME2...  I guess I gotta move on!  Bioware has gotta come up with some pretty interesting characters which I do not doubt they will for ME3 especially for those tali and garrus fans.

From a standalone gamer coming into ME3 it only makes sense to keep reoccuring characters low, this will keep fans and new gamers alike on the same page coming into the game and learning who the new characters are.  I hate my logic, I want garrus back damnit.

[Cutlass Jack]

Recruitable Udina would be funnier...

Jacob: That tube is a Suicide mission!

Shepard: Get moving, Udina, you're up!

Udina: This is an outrage!!!

[dipdunk]

Just to correct some earlier posters, just one surviving squaddie will result in Shep dying. You need two or More to survive.



I think the reason is that if there are any missions you left uncompleted, it would somehow break the game if you tried to complete them with one or no squadmates.

[KainrycKarr]

Guess wat.

Those character support threads? Support them. It's how Garrus got his LI story, and how Tali had her's re-added.

http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/

"Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "

For regarding characters being squadmates, I advise reading the bolded and underlined.

[KainrycKarr]

EA_BiowareAccount wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...

well i hope you can have all the character that survive from ME1 and ME2, even though i know it wont be feasiable, we can hope at least lol, i wouldn't mind having my virmire survivor back, as Ash is my LI as well.

and i reckon captain Anderson for a recuitable squad mate would be awesome

I was just thinking that for captain anderson being recuirtable...  It would be nice for virmire survivor to come back in ME3 but I doubt it.  My LI in ME1 was Ashley but it made for good cameo in ME2...  I guess I gotta move on!  Bioware has gotta come up with some pretty interesting characters which I do not doubt they will for ME3 especially for those tali and garrus fans.

From a standalone gamer coming into ME3 it only makes sense to keep reoccuring characters low, this will keep fans and new gamers alike on the same page coming into the game and learning who the new characters are.  I hate my logic, I want garrus back damnit.

Well that's just not true. It's quite the opposite. it gives the gamer reason to experience and play the WHOLE trilogy, which is, if you know anything about business and making a customer want your product, GOOD for EA and Bioware.

[St Mael]

Talogrungi wrote...

My theory:

There will be a canon of survivors for a fresh (no import) ME3 game.
Those who survive in an import but die in the canon will get Wrex-style cameos.
Those who die in an import but survive in the canon will simply be unrecruitable.
There will be new squadmates to round out the team.
Liara will return as a squadmate.
The Virmire survivor will return as a squadmate.
All the plot characters (Joker, EDI, Anderson, etc) will return.

I just wanted to say that this is the best theory I have ever herd. It makes perfect sense.

I might add the fact that the canon survivors will probably be the six love interests since they are the most centric characters from the ME 2 squad and designers would have to dedicate more resources to them than the others anyway since the romance plots would have to be concluded in the third game.

Modifié par St Mael, 17 février 2010 - 05:17 .

[tykfa1990]

EA_BiowareAccount wrote...

tykfa1990 wrote...

Agreed, actually from ME2 normandy only Joker surviwes everything ( of course if you move him fast enough in the 2-nd normandy attack, if not, watch youtube ). But I strongly belive that the ME3 Squad would be compiled by the player himself. I mean, everyone from the ME1 and ME2 survivors would be able to join team. But probably we could not take them all anyway. I think BW will do it that way: you have to recruit everyone who you did not in ME2, then youll probably chose the ultimate squad of your choice to join Normandy, and the others will also do their role, but from the 2-nd ground of the story, alike if you choose grunt for Normandy's team, then Wrex will lead Urdnot's to fight, or quite opposite. What do you think about that?

I really like your idea but I think it isnt feasible to do.  That is a lot of lines of dialogue for characters who might not be in your ME3 universe.  It was convienient for Morinth to be able to speak like Samara to save on one line of character dialogue while in combat or on planets.  The game designers would have to make all the possible movements of characters as well as art designers making details on each character.  Thats why my theory is that any charcter that could die will not be your squad mate in ME3

Actually it is a matter of your choice. So whoever you choose could just get in ME3 by your choice. That's also possible. Alike playing ME3 with only those who survived in ME2. Af far as I know, If everyone dies, then Shepard dies Also. So there would be no need for wholly new team in ME3. You have to have at least few of them survive to survive yourself. Or am I wrong?

[tykfa1990]

St Mael wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

My theory:

There will be a canon of survivors for a fresh (no import) ME3 game.
Those who survive in an import but die in the canon will get Wrex-style cameos.
Those who die in an import but survive in the canon will simply be unrecruitable.
There will be new squadmates to round out the team.
Liara will return as a squadmate.
The Virmire survivor will return as a squadmate.
All the plot characters (Joker, EDI, Anderson, etc) will return.

I just wanted to say that this is the best theory I have ever herd. It makes perfect sense.

I might add the fact that the canon survivors will probably be the six love interests since they are the most centric characters from the ME 2 squad and designers would have to dedicate more resources to them than the others anyway since the romance plots would have to be concluded in the third game.

Whose characters you mean by a canon?

[magnuskn]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Guess wat.

Those character support threads? Support them. It's how Garrus got his LI story, and how Tali had her's re-added.

http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/

"Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "

For regarding characters being squadmates, I advise reading the bolded and underlined.

Wow, thanks.  That gives me great hope that at least the most liked members will return in ME3. Excellent!

[tykfa1990]

magnuskn wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Guess wat.

Those character support threads? Support them. It's how Garrus got his LI story, and how Tali had her's re-added.

http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/

"Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "

For regarding characters being squadmates, I advise reading the bolded and underlined.

Wow, thanks.  That gives me great hope that at least the most liked members will return in ME3. Excellent!

If it's real, then I would be most glad out of it!!! Best BW could possibly do. And let's all hope they fulfill it.

[Daveastation]

I would argue that Legion is the only ME2 squadmate that could possibly appear in ME3 without too much backstory as a squadmate, even if the hardware robot he is housed in dies in ME2. After all, "we are software." Couldn't he potentially be any of over 1000 (Non-Heretic) Geth currently wandering around?

[petipas1414]

It's cool that I woke up and saw a thread like this... seeing as how I was pondering this last night before I went to sleep (nerdy, i know ).



Here's my theory:



If you totally screwed the pooch in ME2, the cast you'll have in ME3 will be the two survivors, ash/kaiden, and Liara. I mean, it wouldn't be fair to give the people that HAD TO TRY to lose nearly everyone on the suicide mission a fresh new squad now would it?



There wouldn't be a gap in between ME2 and ME3 at all. We saw that reaper fleet... they're not going to be like "well hey lets give them a year or two to fathom how to beat us!". So that means Thane and Mordin would still be there. I think it would work if ME3 started with Shep rushing to the citadel and showing them reaper datapad.

[KainrycKarr]

tykfa1990 wrote...

magnuskn wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Guess wat.

Those character support threads? Support them. It's how Garrus got his LI story, and how Tali had her's re-added.

http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/

"Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "

For regarding characters being squadmates, I advise reading the bolded and underlined.

Wow, thanks.  That gives me great hope that at least the most liked members will return in ME3. Excellent!

If it's real, then I would be most glad out of it!!! Best BW could possibly do. And let's all hope they fulfill it.

Source interview is linked in my post.

[Computron2000]

EA_BiowareAccount wrote...
I really like your idea but I think it isnt feasible to do.  That is a lot of lines of dialogue for characters who might not be in your ME3 universe.  It was convienient for Morinth to be able to speak like Samara to save on one line of character dialogue while in combat or on planets.  The game designers would have to make all the possible movements of characters as well as art designers making details on each character.  Thats why my theory is that any charcter that could die will not be your squad mate in ME3

Originally i though the same as you. But then i edited the ini file and found Tali + Legion have lines in missions they should not be in (the first 4 recruits). That got me thinking that it may be a 3 game contract with the VAs, meaning that the costing is already done.

Because they will be reusing the engine, the base character movements and look is already there. Switching the costume look might not be as difficult. The fact that the hand quote motion also shows up on several characters, i am guessing that these motions are generalized so reusing them for all characters just means changing the actor. They might need to add in and test new motions not found in ME2 but those are much less than the common motions already done in ME2

The graphics skinning could easily be done at a higher resolution and downgraded for ME2 (thats what i would do if i knew that ME3 had a 80+% to go live) so in ME3 they simply use the higher res skins

[TheLostGenius]

 Thane will probably die from his illness. I expect grunt will move on. Not sure about the others. Strangely I could see Jack becoming a hench-lady of one of the main super villians.

[MoonstormX19]

I think people are underestimating Bioware here. The ENTIRE point of ME2 was to build your team. Without that there was.....A really short game. I believe They have stated a few times that they want to go all out for ME3, Really give weight to your actions in the past games. Sure we can LET everyone in ME2 die....But I don't think we are really ment do that. There were so many things that could have been done in place of the Character Missions but they didnt use them, Why would they make us spend all that time getting to know and care for our Squad if they are just going to Side-line them on the next game when you need them most?
I think alot of things have been held back for ME3. I doubt we will be getting any NEW squad members next time, But just the Return of old ones. It's up to us to keep our Squad alive, Not get them all killed due to stupid choices and mistakes. Just because you can do something doesnt mean you should.
Mass Effect 3 is the end of the Reaper Tale and the story will finaly reach it's peak, I highly doubt they are going to send us all over the Galaxy AGAIN to get a new Squad when the Reapers are so close. If you don't have a Squad in ME3 than it should be your fault. Thats it.

Modifié par MoonstormX19, 17 février 2010 - 07:32 .

[Computron2000]

MoonstormX19 wrote...

I think people are underestimating Bioware here. The ENTIRE point of ME2 was to build your team. Without that there was.....A really short game. I believe They have stated a few times that they want to go all out for ME3, Really give weight to your actions in the past games. Sure we can LET everyone in ME2 die....But I don't think we are really ment do that. There were so many things that could have been done in place of the Character Missions but they didnt use them, Why would they make us spend all that time getting to know and care for our Squad if they are just going to Side-line them on the next game when you need them most?
I think alot of things have been held back for ME3. I doubt we will be getting any NEW squad members next time, But just the Return of old ones. It's up to us to keep our Squad alive, Not get them all killed due to stupid choices and mistakes. Just because you can do something doesnt mean you should.
Mass Effect 3 is the end of the Reaper Tale and the story will finaly reach it's peak, I highly doubt they are going to send us all over the Galaxy AGAIN to get a new Squad when the Reapers are so close. If you don't have a Squad in ME3 than it should be your fault. Thats it.

I believe they will give you an out though. If you ended up with 2 survivors, you can always restart your game as a fresh shepard in ME3. Just all the additional things do not come into play and/or the default has the popular characters (+possible LI) dead (no Tali/Garrus/Thane/Jack, maybe Miranda and Jacob but that is harder to do)

[KainrycKarr]

Computron2000 wrote...

MoonstormX19 wrote...

I think people are underestimating Bioware here. The ENTIRE point of ME2 was to build your team. Without that there was.....A really short game. I believe They have stated a few times that they want to go all out for ME3, Really give weight to your actions in the past games. Sure we can LET everyone in ME2 die....But I don't think we are really ment do that. There were so many things that could have been done in place of the Character Missions but they didnt use them, Why would they make us spend all that time getting to know and care for our Squad if they are just going to Side-line them on the next game when you need them most?
I think alot of things have been held back for ME3. I doubt we will be getting any NEW squad members next time, But just the Return of old ones. It's up to us to keep our Squad alive, Not get them all killed due to stupid choices and mistakes. Just because you can do something doesnt mean you should.
Mass Effect 3 is the end of the Reaper Tale and the story will finaly reach it's peak, I highly doubt they are going to send us all over the Galaxy AGAIN to get a new Squad when the Reapers are so close. If you don't have a Squad in ME3 than it should be your fault. Thats it.

I believe they will give you an out though. If you ended up with 2 survivors, you can always restart your game as a fresh shepard in ME3. Just all the additional things do not come into play and/or the default has the popular characters (+possible LI) dead (no Tali/Garrus/Thane/Jack, maybe Miranda and Jacob but that is harder to do)

Er...why would they kill off the popular characters by default?

Tho i suppose wrex presents an example.

[dinin70]

Talogrungi wrote...

My theory:

There will be a canon of survivors for a fresh (no import) ME3 game.
Those who survive in an import but die in the canon will get Wrex-style cameos.
Those who die in an import but survive in the canon will simply be unrecruitable.
There will be new squadmates to round out the team.
Liara will return as a squadmate.
The Virmire survivor will return as a squadmate.
All the plot characters (Joker, EDI, Anderson, etc) will return.

Unfortunately I agree... This looks like being the more feasible.

But why then Bioware gave us a game (ME2) where 90% of it relies on creating a team and a relationship with them if in the 3rd you aren't able to recruit any of them?

If Bioware does so, they deserve that no one buys ME3 because this means they just created ME2 for nothing (except money obviously). Let's be honest... The scenario went just a bit forward, nothing exceptional, without the recruitment part, this game could last a couple of hours and the 3 missions of ME2 that doesn't concern the team creation could have been put into "ME3" with former characters of ME1.

For me the idea is simple: if you can't recruit anyone of ME2 in ME3 then ME2 got no point of existing. Why creating a game based on the team building if you wanna make them die all on the next opus?!?!?!? Thus, Bioware must keep some of them. The most popular ones at least....

The issue is that every character in ME2 got a distinct personality and history, and it's not possible to build a story were you can get any of them.

The last thing I would like to say is that Bioware succeeded in his mission with ME2, which is creating a HUGE mass of people waiting Mass Effect 3!

[NKKKK]

Garrus, Tali and Legion. Anyone else, even the LIs can have cameos.