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[Computron2000]

KainrycKarr wrote...
Er...why would they kill off the popular characters by default?

Tho i suppose wrex presents an example.

So you
i) Play the suicide mission better.
ii) It has a major impact without increasing the production cost.
iii) You actually have a reason to get ME2 if you came into it as a non ME player

This is all guesswork though. The final decision has to come from both marketing needs and storywriter desires

[DeadlyParasite]

All that matters is that Miranda returns.

[Computron2000]

Well Miranda and Jaccob is somewhat protected as they star in their own game, so on default setting they may not be dead.

[Terraneaux]

I think we're going to see a lot more of the ME2 characters than the ME1 ones. I doubt the Virmire survivor will feature almost at all. It's pretty clear that the new writing team wanted to focus on these new characters, and I see them doing that going into ME3 as well.

[Arcadionn]

To be frank, Bioware will either present the most complex gaming action/reaction system with multiple story angles and the most over the top climactic ending.... or they will find a way around it and go an easier way... (ie. crew disbands, you need to get 8 other new people and all the ME2 squad mates are only cameos if they even reappear...)



I mean... some of the crew will leave, that is a 100% certain (Samara imo is a sure bet. Since she explicitely says so in the end.) Jacob and Miranda may stay or leave for cerberus or leave for something else if they quit cerberus.



There are so many fluctuating variables between ME2 and ME3, some taking roots as far as ME1... I do not envy Bioware's job... although being part of designing the - potentially - most epic Third opus of a story ever made ever... must be quite an honor.

[DigitalMaster37]

Talogrungi wrote...

My theory:

There will be a canon of survivors for a fresh (no import) ME3 game.
Those who survive in an import but die in the canon will get Wrex-style cameos.
Those who die in an import but survive in the canon will simply be unrecruitable.
There will be new squadmates to round out the team.
Liara will return as a squadmate.
The Virmire survivor will return as a squadmate.
All the plot characters (Joker, EDI, Anderson, etc) will return.

this.

[KainrycKarr]

Considering Bioware is also building the first and only fully voiced-over MMORPG, I don't think their resources are too limited as far as having to throw in some new characters if you got your old crew killed.

[TyDurden13]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

My theory:

There will be a canon of survivors for a fresh (no import) ME3 game.
Those who survive in an import but die in the canon will get Wrex-style cameos.
Those who die in an import but survive in the canon will simply be unrecruitable.
There will be new squadmates to round out the team.
Liara will return as a squadmate.
The Virmire survivor will return as a squadmate.
All the plot characters (Joker, EDI, Anderson, etc) will return.

this.

That certainly sounds the most likely to me, as well.

[SgTKilmor]

Everyone in ME2 should be in ME3. You just built a team. Casey Hudson also said at CES to "Expect the same characters and locations in Mass Effect 2". Some of the characters have a reason to leave, like Samara, but most should stay. People shouldn't be worrying about their favorite characters getting casted out just because they have a possibility of dying.

[Arcadionn]

SgTKilmor wrote...

Everyone in ME2 should be in ME3. You just built a team. Casey Hudson also said at CES to "Expect the same characters and locations in Mass Effect 2". Some of the characters have a reason to leave, like Samara, but most should stay. People shouldn't be worrying about their favorite characters getting casted out just because they have a possibility of dying.

I do agree, Samara will likely leave, but that means Liara or Shiala better enter main casting again.

[DigitalMaster37]

SgTKilmor wrote...

Everyone in ME2 should be in ME3. You just built a team. Casey Hudson also said at CES to "Expect the same characters and locations in Mass Effect 2". Some of the characters have a reason to leave, like Samara, but most should stay. People shouldn't be worrying about their favorite characters getting casted out just because they have a possibility of dying.

I hate to say it, but looking at BioWare's history in not only this franchise but it's others and you have a recipe for new characters and cameo'd former ones.

Fortunately some of us ME1 character lovers are in heaven since we already know our favorites will be returning, but again looking at history, it's hard to find evidence that the ME2 team will be returning. Yet I hope they do return...at least some of them.

[Gaidren]

TyDurden13 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

My theory:

There will be a canon of survivors for a fresh (no import) ME3 game.
Those who survive in an import but die in the canon will get Wrex-style cameos.
Those who die in an import but survive in the canon will simply be unrecruitable.
There will be new squadmates to round out the team.
Liara will return as a squadmate.
The Virmire survivor will return as a squadmate.
All the plot characters (Joker, EDI, Anderson, etc) will return.

this.

That certainly sounds the most likely to me, as well.

Agreed.

Likely canon survivors:  Tali, Garrus, Miranda.  Others are all iffy.

[KainrycKarr]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

SgTKilmor wrote...

Everyone in ME2 should be in ME3. You just built a team. Casey Hudson also said at CES to "Expect the same characters and locations in Mass Effect 2". Some of the characters have a reason to leave, like Samara, but most should stay. People shouldn't be worrying about their favorite characters getting casted out just because they have a possibility of dying.

I hate to say it, but looking at BioWare's history in not only this franchise but it's others and you have a recipe for new characters and cameo'd former ones.

Fortunately some of us ME1 character lovers are in heaven since we already know our favorites will be returning, but again looking at history, it's hard to find evidence that the ME2 team will be returning. Yet I hope they do return...at least some of them.

....ummm

http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/

"Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "


And it needs to be kept in mind that Mass Effect is essentially bioware's wild-card franchise. They are NOT taking the same approach they have taken with previous titles or franchises.

Heck, Tali and Garrus return, and as LI's nonethless, is proof enough of Bioware's experimenting.

They clearly have an overall plan, but there is no dismissing that fan voices play a big part in determining what they do.

It is called adaptation. they are morphing the franchise based on what they believe the customers want.

It is up to the customers to make it clear what they want, in this case.

This is WHY i heavily endrose fan unity when it comes to support for characters to return.

[SgTKilmor]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I hate to say it, but looking at BioWare's history in not only this franchise but it's others and you have a recipe for new characters and cameo'd former ones.

Fortunately some of us ME1 character lovers are in heaven since we already know our favorites will be returning, but again looking at history, it's hard to find evidence that the ME2 team will be returning. Yet I hope they do return...at least some of them.

True, I do think all of the ME1 cast will be in ME3 as squadmates, even the ones who died. I really think it's pointless to make countless speculation threads, a lot of the time, speculations aren't accurate, and lead to dissapointment. We should just wait until we get some news about it.

[dinin70]

SgTKilmor wrote...

Everyone in ME2 should be in ME3. You just built a team. Casey Hudson also said at CES to "Expect the same characters and locations in Mass Effect 2". Some of the characters have a reason to leave, like Samara, but most should stay. People shouldn't be worrying about their favorite characters getting casted out just because they have a possibility of dying.

I hope you're right but I remain sceptical, unfortunately "Expecting the same characters" doesn't necessarily means that they will be playable! All ME1 characters are present in ME2.

If Bioware plans to keep some of them alive they should cast a Voting Session! Obviously Tali would survive for sure  but it could still be an intrusting point. All players of ME3 will have played ME2, so they should do everything they can to keep them loyal to ME trilogy.

[DigitalMaster37]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

SgTKilmor wrote...

Everyone in ME2 should be in ME3. You just built a team. Casey Hudson also said at CES to "Expect the same characters and locations in Mass Effect 2". Some of the characters have a reason to leave, like Samara, but most should stay. People shouldn't be worrying about their favorite characters getting casted out just because they have a possibility of dying.

I hate to say it, but looking at BioWare's history in not only this franchise but it's others and you have a recipe for new characters and cameo'd former ones.

Fortunately some of us ME1 character lovers are in heaven since we already know our favorites will be returning, but again looking at history, it's hard to find evidence that the ME2 team will be returning. Yet I hope they do return...at least some of them.

....ummm

http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/

"Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "


And it needs to be kept in mind that Mass Effect is essentially bioware's wild-card franchise. They are NOT taking the same approach they have taken with previous titles or franchises.

Heck, Tali and Garrus return, and as LI's nonethless, is proof enough of Bioware's experimenting.

They clearly have an overall plan, but there is no dismissing that fan voices play a big part in determining what they do.

It is called adaptation. they are morphing the franchise based on what they believe the customers want.

It is up to the customers to make it clear what they want, in this case.

This is WHY i heavily endrose fan unity when it comes to support for characters to return.

Without giving away my sources and starting an useless argument, I wouldn't go by those statements without using a fine tooth comb buddy. I agree, they will look at gamers stats primarily and also look at feedback, but this in no way gaurantees that your favorites will return as full squaddies. If anything, you were gauranteed a cameo spot. read everything you highlighted again and tell me where the confirmation of sqaudmate for favorites are...don't worry I'll wait............so don't get too excited... that is all I'm saying.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 17 février 2010 - 08:28 .

[St Mael]

Gaidren wrote...

TyDurden13 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

My theory:

There will be a canon of survivors for a fresh (no import) ME3 game.
Those who survive in an import but die in the canon will get Wrex-style cameos.
Those who die in an import but survive in the canon will simply be unrecruitable.
There will be new squadmates to round out the team.
Liara will return as a squadmate.
The Virmire survivor will return as a squadmate.
All the plot characters (Joker, EDI, Anderson, etc) will return.

this.

That certainly sounds the most likely to me, as well.

Agreed.

Likely canon survivors:  Tali, Garrus, Miranda.  Others are all iffy.

Plus Jacob, Thane and Jack, 6 canon survivors seems about right and it's only fair that all love interests get the same amount of development in the end because in wouldn't be fair otherwise for the players who chose those romance paths.

[DigitalMaster37]

SgTKilmor wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I hate to say it, but looking at BioWare's history in not only this franchise but it's others and you have a recipe for new characters and cameo'd former ones.

Fortunately some of us ME1 character lovers are in heaven since we already know our favorites will be returning, but again looking at history, it's hard to find evidence that the ME2 team will be returning. Yet I hope they do return...at least some of them.

True, I do think all of the ME1 cast will be in ME3 as squadmates, even the ones who died. I really think it's pointless to make countless speculation threads, a lot of the time, speculations aren't accurate, and lead to dissapointment. We should just wait until we get some news about it.

I totally agree. I just remember what happened to the ME1 squaddies (minus Tali and Garrus) and I just don't want to be frustrated again come ME3, so my hopes meter is rigged this time around to remain motionless until I get promises and until I see the game for myself.

[KainrycKarr]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

SgTKilmor wrote...

Everyone in ME2 should be in ME3. You just built a team. Casey Hudson also said at CES to "Expect the same characters and locations in Mass Effect 2". Some of the characters have a reason to leave, like Samara, but most should stay. People shouldn't be worrying about their favorite characters getting casted out just because they have a possibility of dying.

I hate to say it, but looking at BioWare's history in not only this franchise but it's others and you have a recipe for new characters and cameo'd former ones.

Fortunately some of us ME1 character lovers are in heaven since we already know our favorites will be returning, but again looking at history, it's hard to find evidence that the ME2 team will be returning. Yet I hope they do return...at least some of them.

....ummm

http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/

"Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "


And it needs to be kept in mind that Mass Effect is essentially bioware's wild-card franchise. They are NOT taking the same approach they have taken with previous titles or franchises.

Heck, Tali and Garrus return, and as LI's nonethless, is proof enough of Bioware's experimenting.

They clearly have an overall plan, but there is no dismissing that fan voices play a big part in determining what they do.

It is called adaptation. they are morphing the franchise based on what they believe the customers want.

It is up to the customers to make it clear what they want, in this case.

This is WHY i heavily endrose fan unity when it comes to support for characters to return.

Without giving away my sources and starting an useless argument, I wouldn't go by those statements without using a fine tooth comb buddy. I agree, they will look at gamers stats primarily and also look at feedback, but this in no way gaurantees that your favorites will return as full squaddies. If anything, you were gauranteed a cameo spot. read eberything you highlighted again and tell me where the confirmation of sqaudmate for favorites are...don't worry I'll wait...so don't get too excited... that is all I'm saying.

It's evidence, not proof. Just like there is mere evidence, not proof that the ME! characters will return as squadmates.

So, again, I stand by my statement, unedited.

Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 17 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[SgTKilmor]

dinin70 wrote....

If Bioware plans to keep some of them alive they should cast a Voting Session! Obviously Tali would survive for sure  but it could still be an intrusting point. All players of ME3 will have played ME2, so they should do everything they can to keep them loyal to ME trilogy.

I think peoples concerns reguard the whole "everyone can die" aspect of ME2. Just because someone can die, doesn't mean they can't play an important part of the game. Also, anyone who has played ME2, will likely get the everyone living ending before ME3 is released, though it is just merely speculation.

[Terraneaux]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...


I totally agree. I just remember what happened to the ME1 squaddies (minus Tali and Garrus) and I just don't want to be frustrated again come ME3, so my hopes meter is rigged this time around to remain motionless until I get promises and until I see the game for myself.

Probably a good plan.

[DigitalMaster37]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

SgTKilmor wrote...

Everyone in ME2 should be in ME3. You just built a team. Casey Hudson also said at CES to "Expect the same characters and locations in Mass Effect 2". Some of the characters have a reason to leave, like Samara, but most should stay. People shouldn't be worrying about their favorite characters getting casted out just because they have a possibility of dying.

I hate to say it, but looking at BioWare's history in not only this franchise but it's others and you have a recipe for new characters and cameo'd former ones.

Fortunately some of us ME1 character lovers are in heaven since we already know our favorites will be returning, but again looking at history, it's hard to find evidence that the ME2 team will be returning. Yet I hope they do return...at least some of them.

....ummm

http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/

"Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "


And it needs to be kept in mind that Mass Effect is essentially bioware's wild-card franchise. They are NOT taking the same approach they have taken with previous titles or franchises.

Heck, Tali and Garrus return, and as LI's nonethless, is proof enough of Bioware's experimenting.

They clearly have an overall plan, but there is no dismissing that fan voices play a big part in determining what they do.

It is called adaptation. they are morphing the franchise based on what they believe the customers want.

It is up to the customers to make it clear what they want, in this case.

This is WHY i heavily endrose fan unity when it comes to support for characters to return.

Without giving away my sources and starting an useless argument, I wouldn't go by those statements without using a fine tooth comb buddy. I agree, they will look at gamers stats primarily and also look at feedback, but this in no way gaurantees that your favorites will return as full squaddies. If anything, you were gauranteed a cameo spot. read eberything you highlighted again and tell me where the confirmation of sqaudmate for favorites are...don't worry I'll wait...so don't get too excited... that is all I'm saying.

It's evidence, not proof. Just like there is mere evidence, not proof that the ME! characters will return as squadmates.

So, again, I stand by my statement, unedited.

Well there is where you are wrong, the evidence has come in from multiple places and dev statements that we'll see the ME1 squad again, but don't worry, the same advice I gave you is the same I took before giving it.

Either way, we have more "evidence" proving ME1 squadmates returning than the latter. But don't worry I have a few ME2 characters I really want to return, so this isn't a ME1 vs ME2 statement I am making, it's a "everyone don't read too much into statements" statement.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 17 février 2010 - 08:32 .

[SgTKilmor]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...
I totally agree. I just remember what happened to the ME1 squaddies (minus Tali and Garrus) and I just don't want to be frustrated again come ME3, so my hopes meter is rigged this time around to remain motionless until I get promises and until I see the game for myself.

Exactly, there's no reason to get excited, or disappointed, unless we get some hard evidence.

[HTTP 404]

KainrycKarr wrote...

EA_BiowareAccount wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...

well i hope you can have all the character that survive from ME1 and ME2, even though i know it wont be feasiable, we can hope at least lol, i wouldn't mind having my virmire survivor back, as Ash is my LI as well.

and i reckon captain Anderson for a recuitable squad mate would be awesome

I was just thinking that for captain anderson being recuirtable...  It would be nice for virmire survivor to come back in ME3 but I doubt it.  My LI in ME1 was Ashley but it made for good cameo in ME2...  I guess I gotta move on!  Bioware has gotta come up with some pretty interesting characters which I do not doubt they will for ME3 especially for those tali and garrus fans.

From a standalone gamer coming into ME3 it only makes sense to keep reoccuring characters low, this will keep fans and new gamers alike on the same page coming into the game and learning who the new characters are.  I hate my logic, I want garrus back damnit.

Well that's just not true. It's quite the opposite. it gives the gamer reason to experience and play the WHOLE trilogy, which is, if you know anything about business and making a customer want your product, GOOD for EA and Bioware.

interesting... i think the market you are looking at are the fanboys on these forums.  Honestly how many people bought ME2 without ever playing ME1? nevermind, youre right I probably know nothing about business.

Modifié par EA_BiowareAccount, 18 février 2010 - 04:54 .

[Nozybidaj]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I hate to say it, but looking at BioWare's history in not only this franchise but it's others and you have a recipe for new characters and cameo'd former ones.

Fortunately some of us ME1 character lovers are in heaven since we already know our favorites will be returning, but again looking at history, it's hard to find evidence that the ME2 team will be returning. Yet I hope they do return...at least some of them.

I agree, but just because they are "returning" doesn't mean it won't be in cameo or NPC type roles.  I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that almost all of the ME1 and ME2 crew will in fact be in game, but as contacts that we interact with for recruitment type scenarios or quest assignments.  

Need to recruit the Alliance, go see Commander Ashley, need to recrut the Quarians go see Admiral Tali, need to recruit the Krogan go see Wrex, need to dig up information on somebody go see the new Shadow Broker Liara, need to have someone kidnapped go see The Illusive Woman Miranda,  You get the idea.