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Nozybidaj wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I hate to say it, but looking at BioWare's history in not only this franchise but it's others and you have a recipe for new characters and cameo'd former ones.

Fortunately some of us ME1 character lovers are in heaven since we already know our favorites will be returning, but again looking at history, it's hard to find evidence that the ME2 team will be returning. Yet I hope they do return...at least some of them.


I agree, but just because they are "returning" doesn't mean it won't be in cameo or NPC type roles.  I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that almost all of the ME1 and ME2 crew will in fact be in game, but as contacts that we interact with for recruitment type scenarios or quest assignments.  

Need to recruit the Alliance, go see Commander Ashley, need to recrut the Quarians go see Admiral Tali, need to recruit the Krogan go see Wrex, need to dig up information on somebody go see the new Shadow Broker Liara, need to have someone kidnapped go see The Illusive Woman Miranda,  You get the idea.


I can see that working for some characters but i think some of the ME2 crew will stay in your squad for ME3. For example Grunt, Jacob, and possibly Mordin, along with a few new ones. That way Bioware gets to have their new characters and the fans get to see the old ones too.

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EA_BiowareAccount wrote...

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well i hope you can have all the character that survive from ME1 and ME2, even though i know it wont be feasiable, we can hope at least lol, i wouldn't mind having my virmire survivor back, as Ash is my LI as well.

and i reckon captain Anderson for a recuitable squad mate would be awesome :)


I was just thinking that for captain anderson being recuirtable...  It would be nice for virmire survivor to come back in ME3 but I doubt it.  My LI in ME1 was Ashley but it made for good cameo in ME2...  I guess I gotta move on!  Bioware has gotta come up with some pretty interesting characters which I do not doubt they will for ME3 especially for those tali and garrus fans.

From a standalone gamer coming into ME3 it only makes sense to keep reoccuring characters low, this will keep fans and new gamers alike on the same page coming into the game and learning who the new characters are.  I hate my logic, I want garrus back damnit.


Well that's just not true. It's quite the opposite. it gives the gamer reason to experience and play the WHOLE trilogy, which is, if you know anything about business and making a customer want your product, GOOD for EA and Bioware.


interesting... i think the market you are looking at are the fanboys on these forums.  Honestly how many people bought ME2 without ever playing ME1? nevermind, youre right I probably know nothing about business.


Business is rather simple. You do what makes you the most money.

Bioware will make the most money by appealing to both demographics.

Keeping returning characters garners support for previous fans. Even if new players haven't played ME1, that essentially means that these returning characters aren't returning characters...for new fans.

Now, adding a few new characters DOES add to the overall story, but REPLACING the old ones does not.

The trick is a balancing point.

Bottom line, providing continuation and/or closure for already made characters won't turn off new gamers because they will be interested in "hey what happened before?", and will turn on longtime fans by saying "hey! i remember you!".

Business sense. :)

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Liara will be in there, she's played a huge role in the story so far:

Without Liara, Shepard would be screwed because he wouldn't know where the Conduit is and Saren would then succeed in releasing the Reapers and BAM! Theres goes all organic life, just like that.

Without Liara, Shepard would still be dead since it was her who didn't give up on him/her while the rest of the crew just moved on as if nothing happened. And once again BAM! just like that the Reapers take over and the Collecters was never destroyed.

She seems to have become an incredibly powerful biotic in ME2 so she'll be a valueable squadmate.an die

And she is the only squaddie in ME1 and ME2 that can't die no matter what, every other squadmate no matter who they are can die, so she will be in everyone's game in ME3 and ME2.

Any Liara fans like myself can be assured Liara is definatly a squaddie in the next game since she's like the 2nd most important character in the story.


damn man I hope so. Liara was my LI in ME1 and I refused to cheat on her. Maybe Bioware is testing us for cheating and seeing how strong we are to resist so that we get her back in ME3?? She seems to have a very important role in subduing the shadow broker, we will definitely see more of her. :wizard:

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Dragoons19 wrote...

I can see that working for some characters but i think some of the ME2 crew will stay in your squad for ME3. For example Grunt, Jacob, and possibly Mordin, along with a few new ones. That way Bioware gets to have their new characters and the fans get to see the old ones too.


Possibly, and I would assume the same thing.  Though I think Mordin is probably off curing the genphage somewhere.  Grunt, Jacob, Garrus, Jack, its not like these folks actually have anywhere better to go. ^_^

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You can kill Tali in the very 2nd mission of the game, when you go to seek out the empty town.

Take your Gernade Launcher & run up to her, blast her 2-3 times, she dies, she wont be there when Veetor is freaking out.

You evil bastards :D


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KainrycKarr wrote...

EA_BiowareAccount wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

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VampireCommando wrote...

well i hope you can have all the character that survive from ME1 and ME2, even though i know it wont be feasiable, we can hope at least lol, i wouldn't mind having my virmire survivor back, as Ash is my LI as well.

and i reckon captain Anderson for a recuitable squad mate would be awesome :)


I was just thinking that for captain anderson being recuirtable...  It would be nice for virmire survivor to come back in ME3 but I doubt it.  My LI in ME1 was Ashley but it made for good cameo in ME2...  I guess I gotta move on!  Bioware has gotta come up with some pretty interesting characters which I do not doubt they will for ME3 especially for those tali and garrus fans.

From a standalone gamer coming into ME3 it only makes sense to keep reoccuring characters low, this will keep fans and new gamers alike on the same page coming into the game and learning who the new characters are.  I hate my logic, I want garrus back damnit.


Well that's just not true. It's quite the opposite. it gives the gamer reason to experience and play the WHOLE trilogy, which is, if you know anything about business and making a customer want your product, GOOD for EA and Bioware.


interesting... i think the market you are looking at are the fanboys on these forums.  Honestly how many people bought ME2 without ever playing ME1? nevermind, youre right I probably know nothing about business.


Business is rather simple. You do what makes you the most money.

Bioware will make the most money by appealing to both demographics.

Keeping returning characters garners support for previous fans. Even if new players haven't played ME1, that essentially means that these returning characters aren't returning characters...for new fans.

Now, adding a few new characters DOES add to the overall story, but REPLACING the old ones does not.

The trick is a balancing point.

Bottom line, providing continuation and/or closure for already made characters won't turn off new gamers because they will be interested in "hey what happened before?", and will turn on longtime fans by saying "hey! i remember you!".

Business sense. :)


So itll be like ME2.  I agreed with your point before you made it.  I meant the squadmates in ME2 probably wont be a sqaudmate in ME3, i didnt say the survivors shouldnt be in it.  It will be cameo appearances like ME1 characters that could have died but didnt in ME2.  I misspoke when I said to keep reoccuring characters low, I meant "squadmates."  Im all for big cameos.

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Anyone notice how old Mordin is? at 50 years he is 10 years past his species life expentancy. Thane is also dying. Think they'll even be around in ME3 even if they survive the last mission in ME2?


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I can't see why they would only give ME2 squaddies cameo roles in ME3. Not when we spend 3/4 of the game building relationships with them and gaining their trust. God, that would suck actually...I want ME1 and ME2 squadmates to be together and the Normandy be one big space Volkswagen van trekking along with all aboard... XD

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StaR_JeS wrote...

I can't see why they would only give ME2 squaddies cameo roles in ME3. Not when we spend 3/4 of the game building relationships with them and gaining their trust. God, that would suck actually...I want ME1 and ME2 squadmates to be together and the Normandy be one big space Volkswagen van trekking along with all aboard... XD



I would like that too but I dont think thats gonna happen...If tali was to return to ME3 but my Tali in ME2 died, how could they explain that?  maybe everyone that dies in your ME2 gets a Lazerous project. haha.

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Mass Effect is not Mass Effect without Garrus Vakarian. Bioware knows this. He's practically the face of the franchise sans Sheperd.







(Unless he died in the suicide mission of course.) ;)

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I suppose the returning squad members ( and after reading that quote I am pretty much 100% sure there will be returning squad members from ME2 ) will have their own stories but will not play a crucial role in the plot this time. I wonder how they'll get around it with Tali, but I guess centering the actual plot on the Quarian / Geth conflict can make her involvement not totally crucial to it.



I think the actual VA work to have a "generic quarian" replacement for her would be quite a lot, but not as much as most think. The most extensive VA work is done for Shepard, the rest don't have as many lines as one would think.

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Agreed, actually from ME2 normandy only Joker surviwes everything ( of course if you move him fast enough in the 2-nd normandy attack, if not, watch youtube ). But I strongly belive that the ME3 Squad would be compiled by the player himself. I mean, everyone from the ME1 and ME2 survivors would be able to join team. But probably we could not take them all anyway. I think BW will do it that way: you have to recruit everyone who you did not in ME2, then youll probably chose the ultimate squad of your choice to join Normandy, and the others will also do their role, but from the 2-nd ground of the story, alike if you choose grunt for Normandy's team, then Wrex will lead Urdnot's to fight, or quite opposite. What do you think about that?



I really like your idea but I think it isnt feasible to do.  That is a lot of lines of dialogue for characters who might not be in your ME3 universe.  It was convienient for Morinth to be able to speak like Samara to save on one line of character dialogue while in combat or on planets.  The game designers would have to make all the possible movements of characters as well as art designers making details on each character.  Thats why my theory is that any charcter that could die will not be your squad mate in ME3


You dont have to wake legion or Grunt, but they fully dialogued them.   You dont have to get the Zaeed expansion but they made him.  See where I am going with this?  ME2 seems kind of pointless if at least some of the squad members, that at least make sense, dont return as squadmates.   The majority of the game was spent on the characters, and the mission itself was a small part.

While I dont think all the characters will return (i.e. ones that have business other than helping you), I can imagine maybe at least 4 of them should, that have nothing better to do.  Which of them Garrus is the most likely.

But yes, there are already in ME2, 4 potential squadmates in ME2, that may never get used in YOUR game.  So if theyve done it once, they might do it again.

The way I see it, you will have a few default characters, either old or new that cant have died yet as a default squad (Liara, ashley/Kaiden, then maybe some new characters or a couple formerly NPCS that will be squadmates (Gianna? Aria?CONRAD!)        Then whichever squadmates from ME2 that make sense for ME3 they choose to return, they fill out the rest of your squad.   IF they died in your save game too bad, play it again and save them if you want them.


magnuskn wrote...

I suppose the returning squad members (
and after reading that quote I am pretty much 100% sure there will be
returning squad members from ME2 ) will have their own stories but will
not play a crucial role in the plot this time. I wonder how
they'll get around it with Tali, but I guess centering the actual plot
on the Quarian / Geth conflict can make her involvement not totally
crucial to it.


I think the actual VA work to have a
"generic quarian" replacement for her would be quite a lot, but not as
much as most think. The most extensive VA work is done for Shepard, the
rest don't have as many lines as one would think.


I doubt they want to go the "replacement" route.  Im sure their kicking themselves over Ashley Kaiden now since, I mean they have to be included.   Its got to be a pain in the ass to create "replacements" for 12 characters, essentially making 24 fully dialogued characters when its a fact only half of them will appear in anyones game.

Thats why I dont think "every "character from ME2 will return, I really think at best half of them will, and we will have an equal number of default squadmembers (totaling in the same amount of squadmates as me2).  but this way, its more that possible for all the characters they dialogued to appear in the game at once  (save for ashley/kaiden).  and if the me2 characters died in your playthrough, you miss out on some characters.  For some reason people think "this is out of the question!" because bioware is "screwing them" out of content.   Generally this seems to come from people that cant seem to save everyone in the suicide mission and they dont want to get "screwed by bioware" because they cant save everyone in the ridiculously easy suicide mission.

Hell if you dont do any side quests in ME1, you miss out on a chunk of side quests in me2.

As far as Tali is concerned, I doubt since she can die, she will be a integral part to the plot of me3.   (which honestly is what makes the possibility of some ME2 characters returning as squadmates likely, since their presence is not necessary to push the story)

Modifié par tsd16, 18 février 2010 - 12:25 .


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Thane is dying, Samara will leave you. Zaeed is a DLC and a merc, doubt we'll see him again. Some spots will open up for sure.

And im thinking some areas like where Jacob is located (gun room), should he died it would be a perfect place for Ashley, since in ME1 she was all about cleaning guns. Or they simple share the large area!. =p

Modifié par Zhijn, 18 février 2010 - 12:18 .


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The problem is, and I think it has been mentioned before, the amount of developer work that goes into the creation of a squadmate. They already have Kaidan/Ashley and if they want him/her as a squaddie in ME3 they already have dual the workload.

In ME2 everyone can die, and so keeping them all, or even a few of them, as recruitables in ME3 will quadruple the workload or even worse. I'm not putting it beyond BioWare, but I find it extremely unlikely. No matter what the fanbois cry.

Creating a canon that says "these guys survived" (except for Shepard ofc) goes against the whole concept of the game and I sure hope they stay far, faaaar, away from that.

I would almost bet my right arm that the only thing we'll see ME2 squadmates in ME3 is as Wrex-style cameos.


Again theres 4 squadmates in ME2 as it stands now that you can play through and never use/activate.   I will reiterate, its simple.

A default squad + whichever me2 characters bioware deems worthy of squaddies in me3, which realistically is at most 4-5.   Ending with a squad around the size of ME2.   Why is this out of the question, when in ME2 they have 4 characters that could possibly never be used in your ME2 playthrough?


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I would
like that too but I dont think thats gonna happen...If tali was to
return to ME3 but my Tali in ME2 died, how could they explain that? 
maybe everyone that dies in your ME2 gets a Lazerous project.
haha.


No.  If they died you dont get to recruit them.   again like the 4 freakin characters that are fully dialogued but might not get activated in me2.

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Looking at characters threads If Garrus or Tali won't come back there will be... I don't know...Some wild riot.

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Pannamaslo wrote...

Looking at characters threads If Garrus or Tali won't come back there will be... I don't know...Some wild riot.


Haha, internet riot!.

But they'll be there, ME3 is the final fight, and it would just be one hell of a nostalgia moment when you got your old ME1 buddies with you. Providing you didnt off 'em in ME2 ofc!. =p

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Miranda = Oriana. That base is covered.



Thane = Kolyat. Odd base, but potential.



Kaidan/Ashley/Liara.



Wrex/token Krogan.



If you killed off almost everyone well....your fluffed? I bet new characters anyway. Your likely bringing various races together so:



Krogan

Batarian

Geth = either the Legion you saved, or a new Legion model.

Asari

Salarian

Human

Turian



Hopefully:

Volus

Elcor





Incrediable Horror: Shepard, the Reapers are coming.

Feigned Innocence: We didnt intend to wipe out the Turian race.

Insincere Regret: I loved only you Shepard.

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EVERYONE COMES BACK YAY!!!

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I think there will be 4/5 squadmates that can carry over IF they survived the mission on your save. Probably Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jack, Jacob (maybe).

The others will most likely be written off/given cameos. For example Thane could easily be dead by then (sorry, I like him too but its likely). Samara will maybe be given a sidequest in which you can help her on a mission, Grunt will return to his clan, Mordin back to the clinic maybe? You get the idea.

I think only writing in 4/5 characters as squadmates (specifically ones you can romance) allows for lots of focused dialogue for them, and also creates a high chance of any conflict between your ME1 romance (who will return no doubt). Plus, since there is a high chance that they may be dead for many people, it's not a huge timesink that is potentially wasted on many people.

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UnAffectedFiddle wrote...

Hopefully:
Volus
Elcor


Incrediable Horror: Shepard, the Reapers are coming.
Feigned Innocence: We didnt intend to wipe out the Turian race.
Insincere Regret: I loved only you Shepard.


An Elcor squadmate would be ftw.

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Is everyone assuming that we will have 12 squadmates for ME3? Maybe we will just have less to choose from if we got people killed in ME2. I can't believe we put all the work in to getting all those sqaudmates just to have them all gone in the final chapter. Kind of makes the majority of ME2 a waste of time. I really think Liara and Kaidan/Ash will be back as full squadmates too.

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I would assume if any survivors made it in to your squad in ME3 from ME2 there would be some determining factor such as them being a LI or you Paragon/renegade score. You can bet that all characters that survive will reappear in ME3 in some capacity, similar to how Wrex was worked in to ME2.

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Garrus has nothing better to do ten kill stuff with you. 100% return.
Tali not being there would lead to massive pirateing of the game and less money. 100%.
Mordin is also a favorite, but not as much as tali. 90%.
Legion is a Geth. 100%.
Grunt is your warrior, you are his battlemaster. He could go back to Wrex though. 80%.
Miranda has defected from cerberus, and is a favorite. 100%
Jacob is just not liked by anyone. He is a red shirt. 10%.
Jack is leaving. 10%.
Thane is dieing. 10%.
Samara has completed her oath. 10%.
Zaheed is DLC. 1%.
new DLC is DLC. 1%.

Liara is the only person guarenteed to survive no matter what. 110%.
Ashley/Kaiden is guaranteed to survive, with interchangable roles. 110%.
Wrex is saving the Krogan. 20%. Important NPC status 80%.

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No.  If they died you dont get to recruit them.   again like the 4 freakin characters that are fully dialogued but might not get activated in me2.


QFT.  And Bioware has even better examples of this kind o thing.  In Dragon Age for example you could not recruit or kill almost every party NPC - there were like 10 potential recruits - but depending on how you played, you could have only 2 in your camp.  Some of them were in fact very easy to miss out if you did not know from pre-release materials that they could join you.

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Look at the ones you have to get, you have to get mordin, miranda, jacob, garrus, grunt, and jack, all before the you board a collecter ship. You then dont really have to get the others, i think you can go to the IFF once they are loyal, so I think it will be those that return.



Legion too will be back, but as a cameo. The Geth will be on your side, but it will either be a huge army with Legion leading them, a hugh army without Legion leading them, or a small army with or without Legion leading them, depending on what you did for his Loyalty and wether you gave him to Cerberus. Grunts already sworn to you as his battle master, Mordin enjoys being on the ship with good facilities, Miranda and Jacob are going to be there because they dont have anywhere eles to go, much like Jack.