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[Tahleron1]

Rip504 wrote...

I hope they continue the Geth/Quarian story in some story expanding dlc.Shed some light Bioware.Be that as it may my game has been on pause this whole time. So I'm out to play some ME2 Keelah Se'lai Geth lovers.
PS:I have no problems with the Geth.Just want to clear that up.Tali is better,but thats just IMO.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1037701/1 

I figured it would become its own game or book post me2 (maybe as Tali?) with Shepard now retired as president of the systems alliance or something similar.

[InTransit]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

What happen to the Geth?They killed millions of organics won a war,and claimed the homeplanet of the Quarians? Yea their not wrong for not trusting organic life or not even trying.Yes their completely correct.(sarcasm)
But if the Quarians don't trust Geth for killing millions,winning the war,and taking their homeplanet their wrong???

stfu quarian

:lol:

[The Capital Gaultier]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

InTransit wrote...

Considering what happened to them?  I wouldn't trust organic life much if I were a Geth.  Certainly speaking to the Geth has shed intersting new light on them.  I didn't much like them in ME1 but I didn't know that they were the 'heretics.' 

Actual Geth beliefs are actually quite noble and altruistic.  Mass Effect is so fascinating and yet there are people that love to claim how much the writing sucks.

Yes, they should send an ambassador to the Citadel at the very least if they expect to survive in the galaxy.

Legion already answered this himself, the Geth don't believe they could pursue a peaceful relationship with the organics. Which I agree, the galaxy was already prepping for war with the Geth immediately after the Quarians fled. When the organics were that riled up I wouldn't want to go beyond the Perseus Veil myself, even now the Geth have only pursued observation and isolation.

With beings that are so different and predisposed to follow their own discrimination the Geth idea of waiting until organics choose to contact them was the safer plan.

That still doesn't make sense.  In 1941, the Japanese did not believe that they cuold pursue a peaceful relationship with the US, but they did not cut relations.  In 1939, Hitler did not believe he could pursue a peaceful relationship with the USSR, but they did not cut relations.  They even signed a non-aggression pact.  Before war broke out, Germany's number one trading partner was the USSR.

You don't need to believe in peace to have relations with other species.  Closing down on your options is just not good national strategy.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Bonus post!

Modifié par The Capital Gaultier, 18 février 2010 - 03:02 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Veriso wrote...

Many people would do that, but that doesn't make it right. The knee-jerk reaction to kill something because you don't understand it and it could be dangerous is understandable, but nonetheless reprehensible.

People keep using the word 'kill' here.  You fail to realize that the Quarians were just attempting to deactivate faulty machinery.  They believed only a few were achieving sapience, and thought they could move quickly and prevent the mistake.  They weren't aware at how fast the Geth had developed, and it cost them billions of lives. 

Again, if my computer started asking me questions similar to what the Geth did, I would pull its' plug and network cables.  It's a machine performing a task it shouldn't be.  Faulty.  Malfunction.  Wipe the drive and start over, because something went wrong.

[mundus66]

Well it looks like you can make the quarians either go to war with the geth or try to make peace. Pretty sure this will have impact on ME3.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
People keep using the word 'kill' here.  You fail to realize that the Quarians were just attempting to deactivate faulty machinery. 

Or you fail to realize the Quarians were killing a sapient being, regardless that they didn't intend to create any.

[Lmaoboat]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Veriso wrote...

Many people would do that, but that doesn't make it right. The knee-jerk reaction to kill something because you don't understand it and it could be dangerous is understandable, but nonetheless reprehensible.

People keep using the word 'kill' here.  You fail to realize that the Quarians were just attempting to deactivate faulty machinery.  They believed only a few were achieving sapience, and thought they could move quickly and prevent the mistake.  They weren't aware at how fast the Geth had developed, and it cost them billions of lives. 

Again, if my computer started asking me questions similar to what the Geth did, I would pull its' plug and network cables.  It's a machine performing a task it shouldn't be.  Faulty.  Malfunction.  Wipe the drive and start over, because something went wrong.

And if you were a caveman and saw fire for the first time, you would probably smother it.

[sunovafm]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...
Yea since every ship sent into Geth space never returned.Kinda like the Omega 4 relay.

I concede that that is pretty suspicious, I'm not sure about that. It does however display hostility, the Geth could have at least forced the ships to return.

I wish we would learn more about that.

i justified this like this
a milatary ship would be blown up before it atacked
a geth sympisizer would get to stay there and probaly not want to return
civilian ship treated with suspicion and captured (although who else would go there)

and for all we kno heritics had the out side of the veil in wich case its all explosions due to sovrien telling them to kill organics

[Tahleron1]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

InTransit wrote...

Considering what happened to them?  I wouldn't trust organic life much if I were a Geth.  Certainly speaking to the Geth has shed intersting new light on them.  I didn't much like them in ME1 but I didn't know that they were the 'heretics.' 

Actual Geth beliefs are actually quite noble and altruistic.  Mass Effect is so fascinating and yet there are people that love to claim how much the writing sucks.

Yes, they should send an ambassador to the Citadel at the very least if they expect to survive in the galaxy.

Legion already answered this himself, the Geth don't believe they could pursue a peaceful relationship with the organics. Which I agree, the galaxy was already prepping for war with the Geth immediately after the Quarians fled. When the organics were that riled up I wouldn't want to go beyond the Perseus Veil myself, even now the Geth have only pursued observation and isolation.

With beings that are so different and predisposed to follow their own discrimination the Geth idea of waiting until organics choose to contact them was the safer plan.

That still doesn't make sense.  In 1941, the Japanese did not believe that they cuold pursue a peaceful relationship with the US, but they did not cut relations.  In 1939, Hitler did not believe he could pursue a peaceful relationship with the USSR, but they did not cut relations.  They even signed a non-aggression pact.  Before war broke out, Germany's number one trading partner was the USSR.

You don't need to believe in peace to have relations with other species.  Closing down on your options is just not good national strategy.

But the Geth don't seem to feel that lying about one's intentions are a positive trait

[CmdrFenix83]

poisonoustea wrote...

Again, if my computer started asking me questions similar to what the Geth did, I would pull its' plug and network cables.

I would probably do that too. But you're talking about one computer. If all computers on this planet started asking questions, I would opt for a more careful option to deal with them. Pulling a plug is just too impulsive for a problem like the Geth.

They weren't *all* asking these questions.  A handful were.  The Quarians feared the rest of them becoming sapient and moved to act first.  They didn't realize how far the Geth had developed, and they paid for it... by the *billions*.  Men, women, and children that had abosolutely nothing to do with the call to shut down the Geth, all of them were indiscriminantly slaughtered. 

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

The Geth obviously answered with a slaughter, which is equally wrong.

Um, they may have slaughtered but that was out of self-defense. Seriously.

Modifié par Mikazukinoyaiba2, 18 février 2010 - 04:06 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

The Geth obviously answered with a slaughter, which is equally wrong.

Um, they may have slaughtered but that was out of self-defense. Seriously.

Right...  Let's say you're walking down the street and a corrupt immigrant from Russia attacks you and attempts to kill you for whatever reason.  Clearly, the logical response after defending yourself is to go kill his family, then fly to Russia and begin a mass-murdering rampage lasting until all remaining Russians have fled to obscure parts of the world.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Right...  Let's say you're walking down the street and a corrupt immigrant from Russia attacks you and attempts to kill you for whatever reason.  Clearly, the logical response after defending yourself is to go kill his family, then fly to Russia and begin a mass-murdering rampage lasting until all remaining Russians have fled to obscure parts of the world.

Wow, that was totally an inappropriate use of the analogy. What proof do you have that the Geth killed non-combatants?

[Rip504]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Right...  Let's say you're walking down the street and a corrupt immigrant from Russia attacks you and attempts to kill you for whatever reason.  Clearly, the logical response after defending yourself is to go kill his family, then fly to Russia and begin a mass-murdering rampage lasting until all remaining Russians have fled to obscure parts of the world.

Wow, that was totally an inappropriate use of the analogy. What proof do you have that the Geth killed non-combatants?

What proof do you have that they didn't.?

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Rip504 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Right...  Let's say you're walking down the street and a corrupt immigrant from Russia attacks you and attempts to kill you for whatever reason.  Clearly, the logical response after defending yourself is to go kill his family, then fly to Russia and begin a mass-murdering rampage lasting until all remaining Russians have fled to obscure parts of the world.

Wow, that was totally an inappropriate use of the analogy. What proof do you have that the Geth killed non-combatants?

What proof do you have that they didn't.?

The thing is, I don't have to prove the negative (which is impossible BTW).  I never made the claim that the Geth attacked noncombatants. Nor have I made the claim that the Geth did not attack noncombatants.

If a person claims that Glenn Beck raped and murder a girl in 1990, they would have to prove that. I'm not charged with proving that he didn't.

Modifié par Mikazukinoyaiba2, 18 février 2010 - 04:18 .

[sunovafm]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

The Geth obviously answered with a slaughter, which is equally wrong.

Um, they may have slaughtered but that was out of self-defense. Seriously.

Right...  Let's say you're walking down the street and a corrupt immigrant from Russia attacks you and attempts to kill you for whatever reason.  Clearly, the logical response after defending yourself is to go kill his family, then fly to Russia and begin a mass-murdering rampage lasting until all remaining Russians have fled to obscure parts of the world.

all quarians atempeted to shut down all geth its not able to be scaled up like that
if the russians went to to americia and atempted to kill all amercians i would expect all americians to atempt to kill russians is a much beter example

Modifié par sunovafm, 18 février 2010 - 04:16 .

[Rip504]

You seem to suggest the Geth didn't attack non-combatans,while asking him to prove something,I just thought you should be held to the same standard.

Modifié par Rip504, 18 février 2010 - 04:17 .

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Rip504 wrote...
You seem to suggest the Geth didn't attack non-combatans,while asking him to prove smething,I just thought you should be held to the same standard.

I don't think you quite understand what the "same standard" is. Or the proper way to use logic in an argument.

[CmdrFenix83]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Right...  Let's say you're walking down the street and a corrupt immigrant from Russia attacks you and attempts to kill you for whatever reason.  Clearly, the logical response after defending yourself is to go kill his family, then fly to Russia and begin a mass-murdering rampage lasting until all remaining Russians have fled to obscure parts of the world.

Wow, that was totally an inappropriate use of the analogy. What proof do you have that the Geth killed non-combatants?

So you're claiming that the quarian population, spanning across several worlds was limited to only 17million civilians and the rest were military soldiers?  Or that the Quarian population wasn't much more than 17million?  On Earth in present day we have something like 6 billion people.  If the Quarians had even remotely that many, that would mean the Geth killed 5.983 billion people.  You telling me these were all soldiers and/or responsible for attempting to shut down the Geth?

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
So you're claiming

I claim absolutely nothing. Now stop beating around the bush and support your claim.

[Rip504]

Prove anything you have said period,lol that would be nice.Don't ask him to do something you are not willing to do yourself.Maybe you don't understand but we have been having this problem all night.Your lack of grasping concepts that is.



Here's an easy one for you.Why are the Geth right?

[didymos1120]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Right...  Let's say you're walking down the street and a corrupt immigrant from Russia attacks you and attempts to kill you for whatever reason.  Clearly, the logical response after defending yourself is to go kill his family, then fly to Russia and begin a mass-murdering rampage lasting until all remaining Russians have fled to obscure parts of the world.

Wow, that was totally an inappropriate use of the analogy. What proof do you have that the Geth killed non-combatants?

Umm, lemme see: Quarians once numbered in the tens of billions (at least) and inhabited many planets.  Now they number 17 million and live on ~50,000 spacecraft of various makes and models, most of which they've acquired in the time since fleeing their worlds.  Those 17 million are descendants of Quarians who fled Quarian space.  There are no Quarians at all in Quarian space anymore.  The vast and overwhelming majority of  Quarians are not soldiers, and the same was true of their ancestors.  Therefore, the vast and overwhelming majority of Quarians killed by the Geth during the Morning War were non-combatants. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 février 2010 - 04:26 .