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[CmdrFenix83]

datakim wrote...

It may not be what they intended, but it is what happened. I simply don't care that the Quarians did not intend to create a new sentient species. They DID, and thats that. If you had a child, and he/she had a birth defect that you did not intend/want, would you decide that said child was "faulty" and just kill it? I would hope not. Not a perfect analogy I admit, but reasonably close. You have to live in the world that IS, not what you wanted it to be.

Probably, but that would mean little. In such a situation I could easily be entirely wrong, as any neutral observer not clouded by emotions and hatred could tell.

That's the point, isn't it?  You're looking at this from a neutral observer with hindsight at their actions and condemning the Quarians.  You have to look at this from each the Geth and Quarian perspective at the time.  I don't fault the Quarians for their actions, nor to I fault the Geth.  I do however, believe the Quarians of today got royally screwed on this deal.

Understandable yes, though I am less sure about justified since it was not the Geth who are responsible for their surroundings but rather their ancestors. Hatred at them for trying to commit genocide would indeed be justified.

Too bad this hatred is only making things worse and preventing them from improving their lot by seeking peace and co-existence with the Geth. Korris is doing that, and I suspect that thanks to him, the Quarians will finally be able to return home.

And this is why Shepard and Legion/Tali's cooperation will be absolutely critical to this.  Korris isn't so much about peace with the Geth as it is just no going to war and colonizing a new world.  Tali grew up under her father, and it is not unreasonable by any means that she shared his opinions by the time she reached adulthood.  Remember, she's only been technically an adult for two years now, and really hasn't had all that much time to think for herself.  Her time with Paragon Shepard and Legion will do much in altering her perceptions, and will most likely be critical in not only returning the Quarians to their homeworld, but also facilitating peace between them and their former creations.

[datakim]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
To repeat:  The Geth let the Quarians go, because beyond the Veil, they were no longer a threat.  This is why any organic entering the Veil has been killed.  They're deemed a threat.  Even with their massive fleet and 17million citizens, the Quarians are no threat to the Geth.  The Geth know this.  Even most of the Quarians understand they can't win in a frontline war.  Kal'Reegar confirms this.  This is why Admiral Xen and Zorah had taken the path of attempting a wide-scale viral attack.  It's feasibly the only way they can win. 

But that makes no sense to me!

You say that the reason the Geth did not follow the Quarians, is because they were no longer a threat to their survival at that point. Does that not mean that you are saying that the Quarians WERE a threat constantly so long as they were on the planet? Essentially you are saying that the Quarians were indeed the constant aggressors, with Geth simply wanting to be left alone to live in peace.

The idea that the Migrant Fleet does not pose a threat does not work since it assumes future knowledge from the Geth. As far as the Geth knew at the time, the Quarians could leave, find another planet, breed like rabbits and return to wipe them out. The purely logical and inhuman course of action would have been to follow and eliminate the Quarians.

Kill all quarians while they are weak. RESULT: 0% probability of threat to Geth from Quarians ever again.

Let Quarians live and potentially rebuild. RESULT: higher than 0% threat in future. Potential extinction of Geth, if Quarians develop an effective virus.

Pure math solution unhindered by ethical concerns would suggest that following the Quarians in order to destroy them would be the safest and most rational course of action. It would also be utterly evil. So why did the Geth not do this if they are "pure logic" with no ethics.

The fact that the Geth did not follow the Quarians, strongly suggests that they fought only so long as they had to, and stopped the war the instant they were no longer threatened. This, along with Legions words makes it pretty damn likely that it was the Quarians who kept the war going. They were the aggressors, right from the start, right to the end.

As far as letting the Geth go, no, the Quarians wouldn't have.  Quarians have emotion, and not pure logic.  They were terrified of the thought of sapient Geth.  Understandable, since even in our own society they try to beat the idea of sentient machine = extermination of humanity. 

Not understandable. Explainable, but still utterly immoral.

To him, the Geth(just like the Rachni and Krogan) are simply too big of a threat to leave lying around,

I found this to be an incredibly ironic sentence from your Shephards part, since if the Geth had thought like that (commit genocide to be safe, just in case), they would surely have followed the Quarians and wiped them from existence a long time ago.

[CmdrFenix83]

datakim wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
To repeat:  The Geth let the Quarians go, because beyond the Veil, they were no longer a threat.  This is why any organic entering the Veil has been killed.  They're deemed a threat.  Even with their massive fleet and 17million citizens, the Quarians are no threat to the Geth.  The Geth know this.  Even most of the Quarians understand they can't win in a frontline war.  Kal'Reegar confirms this.  This is why Admiral Xen and Zorah had taken the path of attempting a wide-scale viral attack.  It's feasibly the only way they can win. 

But that makes no sense to me!

You say that the reason the Geth did not follow the Quarians, is because they were no longer a threat to their survival at that point. Does that not mean that you are saying that the Quarians WERE a threat constantly so long as they were on the planet? Essentially you are saying that the Quarians were indeed the constant aggressors, with Geth simply wanting to be left alone to live in peace.

The idea that the Migrant Fleet does not pose a threat does not work since it assumes future knowledge from the Geth. As far as the Geth knew at the time, the Quarians could leave, find another planet, breed like rabbits and return to wipe them out. The purely logical and inhuman course of action would have been to follow and eliminate the Quarians.

Kill all quarians while they are weak. RESULT: 0% probability of threat to Geth from Quarians ever again.

Let Quarians live and potentially rebuild. RESULT: higher than 0% threat in future. Potential extinction of Geth, if Quarians develop an effective virus.

Pure math solution unhindered by ethical concerns would suggest that following the Quarians in order to destroy them would be the safest and most rational course of action. It would also be utterly evil. So why did the Geth not do this if they are "pure logic" with no ethics.

The fact that the Geth did not follow the Quarians, strongly suggests that they fought only so long as they had to, and stopped the war the instant they were no longer threatened. This, along with Legions words makes it pretty damn likely that it was the Quarians who kept the war going. They were the aggressors, right from the start, right to the end.

From what I see, the Geth believed the Quarian people as a whole, could not share a world with them without aggression.  The Geth moved to begin a systematic slaughter of the Quarians, who then ended up in a fight for their own existence themselves. 

Chasing them offworld might provoke the rest of the Galaxy into attacking them.  By staying beyond the Veil, the Citadel Council made it very clear that they weren't going to bother with them.  Chasing the Quarians into Citadel space would have told the Council that they were a hostile invaders and needed to be stopped.  By remaining behind the Veil, they show no aggression and allow themselves to continue existing.

Granted, that last paragraph is purely speculation on my part, but it's perfectly logical and we don't have anywhere near enough information on the subject as a whole to know for certain what exactly happened or why.

As far as letting the Geth go, no, the Quarians wouldn't have.  Quarians have emotion, and not pure logic.  They were terrified of the thought of sapient Geth.  Understandable, since even in our own society they try to beat the idea of sentient machine = extermination of humanity. 

Not understandable. Explainable, but still utterly immoral.

Only if you consider a malfunctioning machine as alive.  I don't.

To him, the Geth(just like the Rachni and Krogan) are simply too big of a threat to leave lying around,

I found this to be an incredibly ironic sentence from your Shephards part, since if the Geth had thought like that (commit genocide to be safe, just in case), they would surely have followed the Quarians and wiped them from existence a long time ago.

His experience with their invasions in the last game, them trying to kill his beloved on Haestrom, watching the logs on the Alorei with the woman's log to her son... he adamantly hates the Geth.  After that last log in particular, he charged into the next room(soldier) and went berserk, hosing every Geth down and screaming '**** you!' at every one as it died.

When he saw Legion scanning Tali's omnitool, he would have told her to shoot him immediately, executing him as the spy he revealed himself to be, unfortunately, this isn't an option.  I've been told I'm pretty good at Role-Playing when I do it, and this is just how James Shepard is.

[sunovafm]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

As far as letting the Geth go, no, the Quarians wouldn't have.  Quarians have emotion, and not pure logic.  They were terrified of the thought of sapient Geth.  Understandable, since even in our own society they try to beat the idea of sentient machine = extermination of humanity. 

Not understandable. Explainable, but still utterly immoral.

Only if you consider a malfunctioning machine as alive.  I don't.

The geth are alive the game confirems that.

And machines could become alive irl after studying both robotics and biology i have noticed so litle difrence beteween our beain and a computer i have started to think of us as basicly squishy machines.

To him, the Geth(just like the Rachni and Krogan) are simply too big of a threat to leave lying around,

I found this to be an incredibly ironic sentence from your Shephards part, since if the Geth had thought like that (commit genocide to be safe, just in case), they would surely have followed the Quarians and wiped them from existence a long time ago.

His experience with their invasions in the last game, them trying to kill his beloved on Haestrom, watching the logs on the Alorei with the woman's log to her son... he adamantly hates the Geth.  After that last log in particular, he charged into the next room(soldier) and went berserk, hosing every Geth down and screaming '**** you!' at every one as it died.

When he saw Legion scanning Tali's omnitool, he would have told her to shoot him immediately, executing him as the spy he revealed himself to be, unfortunately, this isn't an option.  I've been told I'm pretty good at Role-Playing when I do it, and this is just how James Shepard is.

   The quarians deserved that what tthey were doing to living beings on that ship was without escuse if i had been on the alorei when they were atacking the quarians i would have joined and porbaly been less humane then the geth *removing face masks and leting the quarians die of infection, ir execution style line ups*

    I only felt sory for her kid not for her, and I felt the same sorow for those poor geth though i felt sory for having to shoot them they had every right to be hostile twords organics after what was dont to them i sure as hellwould be.

[CmdrFenix83]

sunovafm wrote...

   The quarians deserved that what tthey were doing to living beings on that ship was without escuse if i had been on the alorei when they were atacking the quarians i would have joined and porbaly been less humane then the geth *removing face masks and leting the quarians die of infection, ir execution style line ups*

    I only felt sory for her kid not for her, and I felt the same sorow for those poor geth though i felt sory for having to shoot them they had every right to be hostile twords organics after what was dont to them i sure as hellwould be.

Again, not every Quarian on that ship was responsible for the tests.  There were innocent people there that wouldn't have been involved with the experiments.  Nothing the mother on that video said she was involved.  All she did was shut down the ship's systems to prevent the Geth from using their weapons on the rest of the fleet.  Personally, I think you sympathize with the Geth far too much simply because you like Legion. 

I repeat, I really wish I had had the option to use that virus on Legion's mission to cause all Geth to believe self-termination was the way to go, and then they all just offed themselves.  Legion was clearly spying on other crewmembers of the ship(Tali's omnitool behind her back), and should have been executed for being so.  The fact that my choices are to keep him for myself or give him to a terrorist organization was ridiculous.  As Jacob said, "Space it."

[sunovafm]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

sunovafm wrote...

   The quarians deserved that what tthey were doing to living beings on that ship was without escuse if i had been on the alorei when they were atacking the quarians i would have joined and porbaly been less humane then the geth *removing face masks and leting the quarians die of infection, ir execution style line ups*

    I only felt sory for her kid not for her, and I felt the same sorow for those poor geth though i felt sory for having to shoot them they had every right to be hostile twords organics after what was dont to them i sure as hellwould be.

Again, not every Quarian on that ship was responsible for the tests.  There were innocent people there that wouldn't have been involved with the experiments.  Nothing the mother on that video said she was involved.  All she did was shut down the ship's systems to prevent the Geth from using their weapons on the rest of the fleet.  Personally, I think you sympathize with the Geth far too much simply because you like Legion. 

I repeat, I really wish I had had the option to use that virus on Legion's mission to cause all Geth to believe self-termination was the way to go, and then they all just offed themselves.  Legion was clearly spying on other crewmembers of the ship(Tali's omnitool behind her back), and should have been executed for being so.  The fact that my choices are to keep him for myself or give him to a terrorist organization was ridiculous.  As Jacob said, "Space it."

and i repeat even before i knew of legions existance (i played mass effect 1 on day 1 no way in hell i could know of legionthen) i sympissed with the geth they sure got a welcom party hey your alive now we cant have our workers alive so im going to shoot you the quarians lost wich is great i feel sory for them on the migrant fleet yes but any of them experimenting on the geth or still killing them for just being alive or fighting for the existance deserves death

and yes evey one on the aloroe was experimenting on them it was a lab ship afterall

Modifié par sunovafm, 20 février 2010 - 12:44 .

[Wild Still]

When it comes to war, the victors are right, their warriors are heroes.



Which of the two is "right" will be decided by the last ones standing.

[Lmaoboat]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

sunovafm wrote...

   The quarians deserved that what tthey were doing to living beings on that ship was without escuse if i had been on the alorei when they were atacking the quarians i would have joined and porbaly been less humane then the geth *removing face masks and leting the quarians die of infection, ir execution style line ups*

    I only felt sory for her kid not for her, and I felt the same sorow for those poor geth though i felt sory for having to shoot them they had every right to be hostile twords organics after what was dont to them i sure as hellwould be.

Again, not every Quarian on that ship was responsible for the tests.  There were innocent people there that wouldn't have been involved with the experiments.  Nothing the mother on that video said she was involved.  All she did was shut down the ship's systems to prevent the Geth from using their weapons on the rest of the fleet.  Personally, I think you sympathize with the Geth far too much simply because you like Legion. 

I repeat, I really wish I had had the option to use that virus on Legion's mission to cause all Geth to believe self-termination was the way to go, and then they all just offed themselves.  Legion was clearly spying on other crewmembers of the ship(Tali's omnitool behind her back), and should have been executed for being so.  The fact that my choices are to keep him for myself or give him to a terrorist organization was ridiculous.  As Jacob said, "Space it."

I agree. I also think we should be able to reprogram the Genophage to kill off all the Quarians so those suit-wearing freaks don't create another machine races.

[CmdrFenix83]

Lmaoboat wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

sunovafm wrote...

   The quarians deserved that what tthey were doing to living beings on that ship was without escuse if i had been on the alorei when they were atacking the quarians i would have joined and porbaly been less humane then the geth *removing face masks and leting the quarians die of infection, ir execution style line ups*

    I only felt sory for her kid not for her, and I felt the same sorow for those poor geth though i felt sory for having to shoot them they had every right to be hostile twords organics after what was dont to them i sure as hellwould be.

Again, not every Quarian on that ship was responsible for the tests.  There were innocent people there that wouldn't have been involved with the experiments.  Nothing the mother on that video said she was involved.  All she did was shut down the ship's systems to prevent the Geth from using their weapons on the rest of the fleet.  Personally, I think you sympathize with the Geth far too much simply because you like Legion. 

I repeat, I really wish I had had the option to use that virus on Legion's mission to cause all Geth to believe self-termination was the way to go, and then they all just offed themselves.  Legion was clearly spying on other crewmembers of the ship(Tali's omnitool behind her back), and should have been executed for being so.  The fact that my choices are to keep him for myself or give him to a terrorist organization was ridiculous.  As Jacob said, "Space it."

I agree. I also think we should be able to reprogram the Genophage to kill off all the Quarians so those suit-wearing freaks don't create another machine races.

The Quarians weren't a danger to anyone but themselves, Admiral Morrigan aside.  My main Shepard agreed with Mordin and made sure the Genophage remained in place.  He also shot Wrex himself on Vermire.  Rachni, Krogan, and Geth have all proved themselves extremely hostile and aggressive.  They all attacked the rest of the galaxy without provocation.

If we take Legion's speach at face value, it was only a minor group of Geth that invaded Council space.  However, his spying on the rest of the shipmates leads me to believe he is nothing but a plant to gather intel on the man that wiped out their offensive and their god.  Legion himself has admitted that his people are capable of subterfuge to study organics(The story about the constellation they made up), so there's no reason to believe a word he says. 

This is all decisions made from an in-character perspective.  Metagaming, yeah.  You're probably right.  Legion's word is 100% truth and followign the pure paragon responses will lead to happy-happy times with the Quarians and Geth sitting on the Quarian homeworld singing Kumbaya and eating smores.  BioWare has already proven that the paragon responses in Mass Effect 1 were all 100% the best way to go.  There isn't a single negative consequence.  Which if this trend remains true for ME3, then I will probably do what I do in ME2 after my first playthrough, and skip through conversations quickly to get back to the combat, as the story has become ridiculously unbelievable.

Modifié par CmdrFenix83, 20 février 2010 - 01:03 .

[Lmaoboat]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

sunovafm wrote...

   The quarians deserved that what tthey were doing to living beings on that ship was without escuse if i had been on the alorei when they were atacking the quarians i would have joined and porbaly been less humane then the geth *removing face masks and leting the quarians die of infection, ir execution style line ups*

    I only felt sory for her kid not for her, and I felt the same sorow for those poor geth though i felt sory for having to shoot them they had every right to be hostile twords organics after what was dont to them i sure as hellwould be.

Again, not every Quarian on that ship was responsible for the tests.  There were innocent people there that wouldn't have been involved with the experiments.  Nothing the mother on that video said she was involved.  All she did was shut down the ship's systems to prevent the Geth from using their weapons on the rest of the fleet.  Personally, I think you sympathize with the Geth far too much simply because you like Legion. 

I repeat, I really wish I had had the option to use that virus on Legion's mission to cause all Geth to believe self-termination was the way to go, and then they all just offed themselves.  Legion was clearly spying on other crewmembers of the ship(Tali's omnitool behind her back), and should have been executed for being so.  The fact that my choices are to keep him for myself or give him to a terrorist organization was ridiculous.  As Jacob said, "Space it."

I agree. I also think we should be able to reprogram the Genophage to kill off all the Quarians so those suit-wearing freaks don't create another machine races.

The Quarians weren't a danger to anyone but themselves, Admiral Morrigan aside.  My main Shepard agreed with Mordin and made sure the Genophage remained in place.  He also shot Wrex himself on Vermire.  Rachni, Krogan, and Geth have all proved themselves extremely hostile and aggressive.  They all attacked the rest of the galaxy without provocation.

If we take Legion's speach at face value, it was only a minor group of Geth that invaded Council space.  However, his spying on the rest of the shipmates leads me to believe he is nothing but a plant to gather intel on the man that wiped out their offensive and their god.  Legion himself has admitted that his people are capable of subterfuge to study organics(The story about the constellation they made up), so there's no reason to believe a word he says. 

This is all decisions made from an in-character perspective.  Metagaming, yeah.  You're probably right.  Legion's word is 100% truth and followign the pure paragon responses will lead to happy-happy times with the Quarians and Geth sitting on the Quarian homeworld singing Kumbaya and eating smores.  BioWare has already proven that the paragon responses in Mass Effect 1 were all 100% the best way to go.  There isn't a single negative consequence.  Which if this trend remains true for ME3, then I will probably do what I do in ME2 after my first playthrough, and skip through conversations quickly to get back to the combat, as the story has become ridiculously unbelievable.

Things tend to work out better if you don't act like a dick to everyone you meet. Who'da thunk?

[aeetos21]

Reminds me of the cold war and all the talk about preemptive war and "We should strike first!" That's basically what the quarians did (although it seemed like it was a bit more knee jerk in reaction) and look how that turned out. Anyway, ended up biting them in the ass.



Now you have the quarians divided: some want war, others want peace, and some want to enslave the geth all over again. IMO? There's way too much indecision going on right now to make any sort of united front that would be required in an all out war.



That and the quarians don't really seem to want to accept responsibility for what they did, except for that one Admiral, which is surprising since he's an ass 75% of the time. In fact this whole situation reminds me of a similar situation in another bioware game... oh what was it? Oh right!



The jedi's role in the madalorian wars, Knights of the Old Republic.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Baher of Glory wrote...
I concur.
Neither race was "created" by another one.

the americans are just british colonists who existed solely to return their goods back to the motherland, but then decided they wanted to keep their own goods and make their own country.

Seems similar to me in terms of how the Geth had to fight against the Quarians for independence.

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
As an American myself, I am not a gorram machine.  Just like the German/Jewish analogy, this is just aweful.

As an American as well, I say STFU.

[CmdrFenix83]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

As an American as well, I say STFU.

What a wonderfully thought out argument.  I'm glad you came to share this.  You certainly are a great example for the rest of the world about us.  No wonder everyone hates this country.

[CmdrFenix83]

Lmaoboat wrote...

Things tend to work out better if you don't act like a dick to everyone you meet. Who'da thunk?

My characters are paragons.  However, I don't blindly just choose the option in blue or the top right.  I actually... ::gasp:: ...roleplay my characters!  I know, shocking, isn't it?  Someone roleplaying in a roleplaying game. 

The point isn't the being nice to people pays off.  The point is that the major decisions, the idealistic choice always results in a better scenerio than the realistic one.  There are no consequences in this game unless you don't share that blind optimism that tends to bite you in the ass in the real world. 

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

As an American as well, I say STFU.

What a wonderfully thought out argument.  I'm glad you came to share this.  You certainly are a great example for the rest of the world about us.  No wonder everyone hates this country.

Because your argument "I'm not a machine" was so much better? :/ :/ :/

[sunovafm]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

As an American as well, I say STFU.

What a wonderfully thought out argument.  I'm glad you came to share this.  You certainly are a great example for the rest of the world about us.  No wonder everyone hates this country.

Because your argument "I'm not a machine" was so much better? :/ :/ :/

its even less true because our brains operate very very simalar to a computer

electrical impulse A goes down path B becomes responce C

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

The point was, not that my comparison was going to be 100% accurate. I never claimed that the Americans were created by the British, I was making an example of how a war of independence can easily lead to high casualties and be brutal, when both sides are fighting for a cause they refuse to lose for.



Like the British out of pride and under the request of the King wanted to bring the colonists under control while the Americans fought for their independence.



Likewise, the Geth and the Quarians would not draw any quarter, which is why the Quarians had to flee their homeworld (or as others like to put it, were ran off of their homeworld).

[CmdrFenix83]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Because your argument "I'm not a machine" was so much better? :/ :/ :/

Mine is factual.  An organic is a living being.  Synthetics are just self-aware machines.  Even Shepard disagrees with you.  In his conversation with Sovereign he said, and I quote:

"You're not even alive, not really.  You're just a machine, and machines can be broken."

I suppose I should just bow out of the conversation with this.  We're at an empasse.  Neither of us is going to convince the other of anything, and we're both just going to stick to our opinions.  I would like to thank you and datakim for the (mostly) civil debate, however, as it was enjoyable for quite a while.  ::bows::

Modifié par CmdrFenix83, 20 février 2010 - 03:31 .

[sunovafm]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

The point was, not that my comparison was going to be 100% accurate. I never claimed that the Americans were created by the British, I was making an example of how a war of independence can easily lead to high casualties and be brutal, when both sides are fighting for a cause they refuse to lose for.

Like the British out of pride and under the request of the King wanted to bring the colonists under control while the Americans fought for their independence.

Likewise, the Geth and the Quarians would not draw any quarter, which is why the Quarians had to flee their homeworld (or as others like to put it, were ran off of their homeworld).

not disagreing with you i dont actualy think 100% acurate comparisions are posible i was saying his "im not a machine" holds even less water then some may belive

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Mine is factual.

It also was a strawman.

Honestly, you'd have to be pretty dim if you thought I was arguing that the Americans are machines.

Modifié par Mikazukinoyaiba2, 20 février 2010 - 03:29 .

[Serevir]

Talking with legion resulted in a sudden 180 on my view of the Geth

[Pocketgb]

Serevir wrote...

Talking with legion resulted in a sudden 180 on my view of the Geth

Agreed. Possibly one of my favorites twists in ME2.

Here's hoping Shep can become the ambassador of peace in ME3.

[sunovafm]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Because your argument "I'm not a machine" was so much better? :/ :/ :/

Mine is factual.  An organic is a living being.  Synthetics are just self-aware machines.  Even Shepard disagrees with you.  In his conversation with Sovereign he said, and I quote:

"You're not even alive, not really.  You're just a machine, and machines can be broken."

then your not alive machines and humans are very similar very very simialar we even operate on the same princable

electric impulses thats all our concisniuces is and thats how machines run

[The Angry One]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Because your argument "I'm not a machine" was so much better? :/ :/ :/

Mine is factual.  An organic is a living being.  Synthetics are just self-aware machines.  Even Shepard disagrees with you.  In his conversation with Sovereign he said, and I quote:

"You're not even alive, not really.  You're just a machine, and machines can be broken."

Have you ever thought that Shep was just taunting Sovereign?
What would you rather s/he say? "Oh I believe machines and organics are the same but you're MEAN!"

[Iokastos]

Geth are machines, Quarians can exploit them as much as they desire... No matter how sophisticated you make your arguments geth are not alive and thus have no rights. It's like giving human rights to a toaster