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[sunovafm]

I can't really say if they used aesthetics as part of their design. Having 2 legged geth is not efficient, that is obvious, but i put that down as BW not wanting to handle hovercraft/4 legged/multi wheeled geth. The flashlight head might have a reason for it but again i put it down to BW wanting memorable villans

bi pedial is actualy quite efiecent and hands let them use other race's tech also wheles are horiable (treads are much beter more grip les psi on the terain and both of these have problems with obsticals)  hovertech requires alot of energy and it is still unclear if geth have imbuilt reactors or baterys (etier case fuel/batery life is a concern reactors a bit less so though) and we have quadrapeeds but agian those arre best as a vehical or heavy unit and bipedal for small due to beter mobility and ability to use other races tech

flashlight heads the glowing in unecsary but more then one lens is not needeed just use a radar or some other system for judgeing distance and then what point is ther for uneeded equipment

though they show astetics alot like said the flaps on there heads the ipod astetics of colussi mentioned and paint

[Tahleron1]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Cosmicinator wrote...

Here is an objective view of the situation, to help everyone grasp what is happening.

A spacefaring race create a race of rudimentary robotic servants.
Servants begin to gain sentience, and ask their masters peacefully many philosophical questions.
Creator race responds by attempting to effectively commit genocide upon servants.
Servants utilize self-defence, leading to a full scale war.
Servants repel masters from their home planet, and all nearby colonies.
Creators forced to be nomads, conspiring for 300 years to take down servants, and reclaim their lands.

I don't know about you, but I think I know who is right here....

That's not objective, that's Geth perspective.  Objective would be...

A spacefaring race create a race of rudimentary robotic servants.
Servants begin to ask questions about their existence.
Creator race is terrified and responds by attempting to shut down their *machines*.
Servants are further developed mentally than the creators realize and defend themselves.
Servants repel masters from their home planet, and all nearby colonies, slaughtering billions.
Creators forced to be nomads, suffering for 300 years and working on plans reclaim their lands.

I don't know about you, but if my computer started talking to me on its' own and asked questions about its' existence, I'd freak out and pull its' plug too.  In fact, I almost guarantee if any appliance you had started to do such things on their own, you would react the same way.  It's a faulty machine, plain and simple. 

I do not fault the Quarians for attempting to shut down the Geth.  However, I do side with Admiral vas Qwib Qwib there, that the Geth had every right to defend themselves as well, and have done everything possible to facilitate peace between the two over what was really a horrific mistake.  Hindsight is 20/20 afterall.

I'm sort of curious how you consider your view objective when you even state you have an arbitrary phobia?

[Mars Nova]

Don't know about right or wrong, but is it weird that in ME1 I told Tali it was hard to feel sorry for the quarians, then romanced her in ME2?

[Doug84]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Cosmicinator wrote...

Here is an objective view of the situation, to help everyone grasp what is happening.

A spacefaring race create a race of rudimentary robotic servants.
Servants begin to gain sentience, and ask their masters peacefully many philosophical questions.
Creator race responds by attempting to effectively commit genocide upon servants.
Servants utilize self-defence, leading to a full scale war.
Servants repel masters from their home planet, and all nearby colonies.
Creators forced to be nomads, conspiring for 300 years to take down servants, and reclaim their lands.

I don't know about you, but I think I know who is right here....

That's not objective, that's Geth perspective.  Objective would be...

A spacefaring race create a race of rudimentary robotic servants.
Servants begin to ask questions about their existence.
Creator race is terrified and responds by attempting to shut down their *machines*.
Servants are further developed mentally than the creators realize and defend themselves.
Servants repel masters from their home planet, and all nearby colonies, slaughtering billions.
Creators forced to be nomads, suffering for 300 years and working on plans reclaim their lands.

I don't know about you, but if my computer started talking to me on its' own and asked questions about its' existence, I'd freak out and pull its' plug too.  In fact, I almost guarantee if any appliance you had started to do such things on their own, you would react the same way.  It's a faulty machine, plain and simple. 

I do not fault the Quarians for attempting to shut down the Geth.  However, I do side with Admiral vas Qwib Qwib there, that the Geth had every right to defend themselves as well, and have done everything possible to facilitate peace between the two over what was really a horrific mistake.  Hindsight is 20/20 afterall.

Agreed in full.

EDIT: Though Qwib-Qwib is an arse, regardless of the fact that he's right.

Modifié par Doug84, 17 février 2010 - 07:05 .

[The Governator]

Mars Nova wrote...

Don't know about right or wrong, but is it weird that in ME1 I told Tali it was hard to feel sorry for the quarians, then romanced her in ME2?

I would not have thought that possible.

[Doug84]

The Governator wrote...

Mars Nova wrote...

Don't know about right or wrong, but is it weird that in ME1 I told Tali it was hard to feel sorry for the quarians, then romanced her in ME2?

I would not have thought that possible.

Why would it not be possible? People, even lovers, don't agree on everything. So long as he didn't go, "Bwah, Quarians deserved to die in their billions. I pee on there graves" I don't see the problem.

[The Governator]

Lightice_av wrote...


Try this metaphor: the geth minds are like a map of colours that smoothly change from one shade to another, while the human minds are like primary colours with strict lines separating them from one another.

Clever, even compelling, but I just cannot accept an AI as sapient.  I would have to experience it (forgive the term) organically, not through a game or through the words of another. 

[The Governator]

Doug84 wrote...

The Governator wrote...

Mars Nova wrote...

Don't know about right or wrong, but is it weird that in ME1 I told Tali it was hard to feel sorry for the quarians, then romanced her in ME2?

I would not have thought that possible.

Why would it not be possible? People, even lovers, don't agree on everything. So long as he didn't go, "Bwah, Quarians deserved to die in their billions. I pee on their graves" I don't see the problem.

HAHA!  Yeah, I guess so. 

[casedawgz]

If my toaster becomes self aware and decides its going to stop toasting my food, I'm not going to want to nurture its intelligence and answer its questions. I'm going to want to junk it and get a new toaster.

[sunovafm]

casedawgz wrote...

If my toaster becomes self aware and decides its going to stop toasting my food, I'm not going to want to nurture its intelligence and answer its questions. I'm going to want to junk it and get a new toaster.

and for that you could have killed a living being

i would nurture its intlect and not junk it but still get a new toaster

[Snowraptor]

the geth are progammed to think, a machine cant just think for itself, and when it does, it was merely just progamed, well in reality, this however is a game, and i dont care about the geth, they are after all machines, they dont need a purpose in life

[Snowraptor]

sunovafm wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

If my toaster becomes self aware and decides its going to stop toasting my food, I'm not going to want to nurture its intelligence and answer its questions. I'm going to want to junk it and get a new toaster.

and for that you could have killed a living being

i would nurture its intlect and not junk it but still get a new toaster

Yeah but it would of had to have been progamed to do so, machinery and wires cant start thinking on its own with out being progamed to do so, plus it has never hapened before

[Tahleron1]

Snowraptor wrote...

the geth are progammed to think, a machine cant just think for itself, and when it does, it was merely just progamed, well in reality, this however is a game, and i dont care about the geth, they are after all machines, they dont need a purpose in life

There is no cosmic significance in humans either, like the geth, we just are.

[sunovafm]

Tahleron1 wrote...

Snowraptor wrote...

the geth are progammed to think, a machine cant just think for itself, and when it does, it was merely just progamed, well in reality, this however is a game, and i dont care about the geth, they are after all machines, they dont need a purpose in life

There is no cosmic significance in humans either, like the geth, we just are.

this is so true were programed to do what we do we run on electrical impulses like they do even we spend 1000's of years trying to figure out our significne when its simple and right infront of us we are insignifacant we have no purpous no mater what you want to belive were no beter then a machine

[Agamemnon2589]

The problem with equating the geth to toasters or really any appliance is that our appliances don't have any form of intelligence. Our computers are the only thing close enough to make that comparison. The geth were created to have enough intelligence and adaptability to be able to solve problems on their own, which is why it is understandable that the quarians completely freaked out at the idea of them becoming sentient. There had to be some fear of that happening beforehand anyway. So while the quarian response wasn't the right one, I can understand why they made the choice they did.

[Lightice_av]

Clever, even compelling, but I just cannot accept an AI as sapient. I would have to experience it (forgive the term) organically, not through a game or through the words of another.

We're not here to debate about the realities of artificial intelligence. Personally I say that there is no inherit difference between a human brain and artificial construct of equal complexity if the functions and mechanisms are essentially the same, but that's not an issue.
Mass Effect is a work of fiction. In this fictional work artificial intelligence is real and really sentient, regardless of your opinion of how things are in reality.

Yeah but it would of had to have been progamed to do so, machinery and wires cant start thinking on its own with out being progamed to do so, plus it has never hapened before

Have you heard of evolving algorithms? A program can be made to learn and evolve on its own. It doesn't have to be sentient from the start; it can evolve into sentience if it's adaptable enough.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 17 février 2010 - 07:28 .

[Agamemnon2589]

sunovafm wrote...

Tahleron1 wrote...

Snowraptor wrote...

the geth are progammed to think, a machine cant just think for itself, and when it does, it was merely just progamed, well in reality, this however is a game, and i dont care about the geth, they are after all machines, they dont need a purpose in life

There is no cosmic significance in humans either, like the geth, we just are.

this is so true were programed to do what we do we run on electrical impulses like they do even we spend 1000's of years trying to figure out our significne when its simple and right infront of us we are insignifacant we have no purpous no mater what you want to belive were no beter then a machine

Uh-oh. Here comes the religious debate.

[CmdrFenix83]

Lightice_av wrote...

You claim to know what the Reapers consider "ripe"? I'm all but certain that they had picked the krogan as their target civilization to be "harvested" already, and the Sovereign was trying to use the rachni to activate the Citadel relay just like he later used the geth. But then the krogan were spoiled by the genophage (the Harbringer calls the krogan "wasted potential" if Grunt's in your squad), and the Sovereign went back to hibernation until new candidate, the humans showed up.

 

Actually that's a very good point.  Warlord Okeer tells you that in his deal with the Collector's he "gave them many Krogan".  Not to mention that Saren, under Sovereign, was developing a cure for the Genophage and breeding tons of Krogan as well.  All of that also makes sense under the assumption that the Reapers had declared the Krogan as the race to use for their harvesting, all of which was ruined by Shepard.  Genophage cure destroyed on Vermire... makes sense now why we weren't given the option to take the cure with us.

[sunovafm]

Lightice_av wrote...

Clever, even compelling, but I just cannot accept an AI as sapient. I would have to experience it (forgive the term) organically, not through a game or through the words of another.

We're not here to debate about the realities of artificial intelligence. Personally I say that there is no inherit difference between a human brain and artificial construct of equal complexity if the functions and mechanisms are essentially the same, but that's not an issue.
Mass Effect is a work of fiction. In this fictional work artificial intelligence is real and really sentient, regardless of your opinion of how things are in reality.

Yeah but it would of had to have been progamed to do so, machinery and wires cant start thinking on its own with out being progamed to do so, plus it has never hapened before

Have you heard of evolving algorithms? A program can be made to learn and evolve on its own. It doesn't have to be sentient from the start; it can evolve into sentience if it's adaptable enough.

and our brains are inharently the same electrical impulse a goes down circut b (or nural patway b in our case) to get reponce c so all of you that say they can be alive because of there programing we work the same way were not special and if we work the same way if they cant be alive then niether can we

[The Governator]

Lightice_av wrote...

Clever, even compelling, but I just cannot accept an AI as sapient. I would have to experience it (forgive the term) organically, not through a game or through the words of another.

We're not here to debate about the realities of artificial intelligence. Personally I say that there is no inherent difference between a human brain and artificial construct of equal complexity if the functions and mechanisms are essentially the same, but that's not an issue.

Mass Effect is a work of fiction. In this fictional work artificial intelligence is real and really sentient, regardless of your opinion of how things are in reality.

Darwinist?

[sunovafm]

The Governator wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Clever, even compelling, but I just cannot accept an AI as sapient. I would have to experience it (forgive the term) organically, not through a game or through the words of another.

We're not here to debate about the realities of artificial intelligence. Personally I say that there is no inherent difference between a human brain and artificial construct of equal complexity if the functions and mechanisms are essentially the same, but that's not an issue.

Mass Effect is a work of fiction. In this fictional work artificial intelligence is real and really sentient, regardless of your opinion of how things are in reality.

Darwinist?

whats a darwinist

[Lightice_av]

Darwinist?

No -isms for me, especially ones named after people - science speaks for itself. You're not going to get to religious arguments, are you?

[sunovafm]

Lightice_av wrote...

Darwinist?

No -isms for me, especially ones named after people - science speaks for itself. You're not going to get to religious arguments, are you?

so its a religion well then i agree with you science before religion it was reversed once in history and it was the worst time for humans so science is the way i think

[The Governator]

sunovafm wrote...

The Governator wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Clever, even compelling, but I just cannot accept an AI as sapient. I would have to experience it (forgive the term) organically, not through a game or through the words of another.

We're not here to debate about the realities of artificial intelligence. Personally I say that there is no inherent difference between a human brain and artificial construct of equal complexity if the functions and mechanisms are essentially the same, but that's not an issue.

Mass Effect is a work of fiction. In this fictional work artificial intelligence is real and really sentient, regardless of your opinion of how things are in reality.

Darwinist?

whats a darwinist

Someone who subscribes to theories of evolution.  I am a creationist or at worst I subscribe to 'intelligent design'.  That does not mean my query was pejorative.  I was asking for a perspective.  One of my closest friends in life is a Darwinist.  He does not subscribe to religion at all.  We respect one another a great deal.  Just curious, nothing more.

[Fishy]

The difference between the heretic and the geth IT'S

0.0000013
vs
0.000013

ANyway something like this..

Anyway what they did to the Quarian it's called Genocide.Because unlike Geth , every organic share different opignons and emotion.Yet they killed almost every damn Quarian and drove them off their homeworld

That remind me of Terminator.Skynet blowing up every damn human because some retarded military cell wanted to shut him off.

Someone who feel nothing .. We call that Sociopath(i think).They could torture you without blinking.
The Quarian brough this on themself(Not all the qaurian but the  stupid one creating the geth) but the Geth are dangerous.If all for them it's take 0.01 sec to make a decision to wipe or not to wipe every damn organic life with different mind .. They're dangerous and should be exterminated for the safety of everyone.Antz are innocents also.But when there's 5000 billions inside your home .. You have to use Raid.