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[Zulu_DFA]

redguppie wrote...

Actually it goes Anderson that other councilor who was a spectre candidate.  And no one gets to that level in the military without a level of political wit.  Udina is a sniveling worm who would backbedal if he thought he couldnt win an arguement.  Anderson has some personal honor, he would do what he thought was right regardless of the consequences.

And this is exactly what I call the lack of political wit. Either it is the consequences, that are the measure of what is right, or you're just a self-righteous ******, maybe with some PR image, but taken seriously by nobody in the back-room where the real politics are always done.

But let's not start this Anderson vs. Udina squabble. This is a wrong thread for that.

In any case my point is that Shepard has never been the Council's favorite person. Much less so now.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 mars 2010 - 03:12 .

[redguppie]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

redguppie wrote...

Actually it goes Anderson that other councilor who was a spectre candidate.  And no one gets to that level in the military without a level of political wit.  Udina is a sniveling worm who would backbedal if he thought he couldnt win an arguement.  Anderson has some personal honor, he would do what he thought was right regardless of the consequences.

And this is exactly what I call the lack of political wit. Either it is the consequences, that are the measure of what is right, or you're just a self-righteous ******, maybe with some PR image, but taken seriously by nobody in the back-room where the real politics are always done.

But let's not start this Anderson vs. Udina squabble. This is a wrong thread for that.

In any case my point is that Shepard has never been the Council's favorite person. Much less so now.

Having morals isn't the same as lacking any political intellegence.  the ability to compromise, compliment, beguile, intimidate, coerce, and trap someone else all fall under political monuevering.  Political wit isn't simply being morally bankrupt.   To get anywere in a military( especially as high as Anderson did) requires a the ability to work a crowd, gain support from powerful friends, and deal with rivals and adversaries who don't want you to rise.  He overcame whatever oposition to get were he is. 

And it's not about Udina vs anderson it's about the fact that Andersons voice is the same as the turians so it's not like you don't have a voice to.

[Zulu_DFA]

redguppie wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

redguppie wrote...

Actually it goes Anderson that other councilor who was a spectre candidate.  And no one gets to that level in the military without a level of political wit.  Udina is a sniveling worm who would backbedal if he thought he couldnt win an arguement.  Anderson has some personal honor, he would do what he thought was right regardless of the consequences.

And this is exactly what I call the lack of political wit. Either it is the consequences, that are the measure of what is right, or you're just a self-righteous ******, maybe with some PR image, but taken seriously by nobody in the back-room where the real politics are always done.

But let's not start this Anderson vs. Udina squabble. This is a wrong thread for that.

In any case my point is that Shepard has never been the Council's favorite person. Much less so now.

Having morals isn't the same as lacking any political intellegence.  the ability to compromise, compliment, beguile, intimidate, coerce, and trap someone else all fall under political monuevering.  Political wit isn't simply being morally bankrupt.   To get anywere in a military( especially as high as Anderson did) requires a the ability to work a crowd, gain support from powerful friends, and deal with rivals and adversaries who don't want you to rise.  He overcame whatever oposition to get were he is. 

And it's not about Udina vs anderson it's about the fact that Andersons voice is the same as the turians so it's not like you don't have a voice to.

Anderson's voice is not the same as the Turian's. Humans were granted an Embassy 21 year back and joined 2 years back. The old trio was there for 2000 years! It's like you get to a new job with 3 guys that have been working together for 10 years and next week your 14-year old kid comes to the office and tells those three guys: "You suck!" Do you think your voice is the same as any other? Especially when there's nobody to listen to it but your "senior" collegues?

[bdipauly]

OK it starts with Shepard standing by a memorial of  Normandy SR-2. He/She is a lot older, 60 or 70 maybe. A hand touches his shoulder PAN BACK to see an older ASH/KAIDEN. They tell you it's no time to dwell on the past...

FADE TO BLACK

We're on board The Normandy SR-2. In Shepard's cabin where he/she is dwelling on past events. Mordin announces that he has news and needs to see Shepard. In Mordin's lab he announces to Shepard that he has worked out a way of using the Omega 4 Relay to travel back in time. They can now go back to when the Protheans were wiped out to find out what happened and possibly stop the Reapers before they can begin....

Modifié par Paulypie, 03 mars 2010 - 11:51 .

[yummysoap]

I wouldn't mind this, considering my Shepard gave the finger to both Cerberus and the Alliance and is basically his own man, now.



It's not that realistic, though. Too much opportunity to disappoint everyone. If you were reinstated as a spectre and then sever ties with Cerberus the Alliance have no reason to be imprison you. They might not like you, but they're not going to lock the citadel's saviour behind bars without a seriously good reason.



Then again, Bioware did a good job at making them appear like the world's biggest ****s in this game, so I guess you never know.

[BowlerBen]

RVonE wrote...

So, the game opens with You on the SR2 hunting down Cerberus cells--you are on bad terms with TIM because he has no use for you (he acquired the base/you destroyed the base). Then, all of a sudden Harbinger warps in and he's huge, right? And he starts firing this massive beam weapon at you and Joker does his evasive manoeuvres but flies into the beam and the SR2 is hit. Drifting in space, the crew of the Normandy scrambles to evacuate. Your LI tells you that Joker doesn't want to abandon EDI so Shepard has to go up there to convince him to leave. Harbinger comes around for another shot and cuts the SR2 in half and at the very last minute Shpard succeeds in jamming Joker into an escape pod; Shepard seals the door and is spaced.

*enter dramatic music and title card*

Back on earth Terra Firma hears of your ordeal and raises the funds to resurrect you, since they have become a very influential and wealthy political organization. They succeed and inform you that they believe that the Reapers are still coming. They need someone to stand up and secure the future of humanity. Shepard is in their debt and brushes aside the history of Terra Firma because, you know, they are responsible for resurrecting the good commander and no one else will do the job, right?
Meanwhile, your entire crew has moved on because it's been years since your death. You are assigned two Terra Firma operatives and are tasked to recruit a team that will have a shot at this epic, amped up final stand. Along the way of recruiting, you encounter some of your old squadies: Jacob and Miranda hate you for choosing to be with Terra Firma; Jack feels you've abandoned her like all people do; Tali became an admiral at the migrant fleet; Mordin is working hard to help the plight of the Krogans (this can work in several ways, depending on what you said to him); Grunt is now Wrex' most loyal enforcer or has asumed the throne if Wrex died; Thane died--you visit his grave (very sad and emotional); Zaeed finally caught up with his nemesis and replaced him as leader of the merc band; Kaiden/Ashley can't believe you've gone even lower and are now with Terra Firma; Liara has replaced the shadow broker and has become a total megalomaniac and thinks she can steer the galaxy in the right direction (Benezia complex); Garrus went back to Omega to right the wrongs but could no longer distinguish between being a vigilante and being a merc--after killing Aria he decided to be the new defacto ruler of Omega in a self-righteous effort to cleanse Omega of all scum. You are left to recruit Samara--she has nothing important going on anyway--and Legion--he'll follow you anywhere.

And so this totally dark and epic, emotionally engaging final stand--the closing part of a saga--will commence. Amp it up, BioWare.

Am I right?

Why do the ressurrection plot again?. Maybe pretend Sheppard didn't die.. 

Unless you start off a brand new character for no apparent reason, and had no revelance to the plot.

Modifié par BowlerBen, 02 mars 2010 - 08:17 .

[mortons4ck]

In my version, Shepard would start off in an interrogation room somewhere (alliance, council, or Cerberus) placed (chronologically at least) in the middle of ME3. This would serve as a sort of frame story. The interrogator asks questions about what has happened, and Shepard's responses would take the form of flashbacks, beginning possibly with a military funeral (for those that died during the suicide mission, or just for Thane if everyone lived).

The player would play up until the point of Shepard's capture (roughly 1/3 of the game), until it flashes back to the present. Depending on possible choices made in ME1, ME2, and what parts of ME3 you've played through (LI's and who survive), a crew composed of previous (or new) squadmates will blast through the walls and bust Shepard out. The rest of the game takes place outside of the scope of the frame story.

Everyone loves a good prison break :happy:

Modifié par mortons4ck, 03 mars 2010 - 11:31 .

[celticeagle13]

I like all the choices but number1 would be the best and most fun also i completely think they should do that for me3 though theyre probably going to have cerberus try to kill tou all your squadmates are going to die except maybe 2/3 or maybe theyre going to have them break up like in me1 somehow



But in teh end your going to have to make and raise and army from the allies you made in the other games like the geth, quarians, krogan, Rachni(if they survived), the Alliance, after convincing the council and also maybe some smaller groups like Aria or lliara.



And in the end it will be one massive and epic space battle where your actions decide the fate of the galaxy. "Kill or be Killed" sort of thing.

[wolf99000]

one idea could be that as shepard is sort of out there with his ship and crew alone now if you told the tim to stuff it and the reapers are coming maybe shepard gets blamed for there opening attacks and is charged with pricey and going renegade you could have the council and udina believing this while anderson is on your side and helps your crew break you out

Modifié par wolf99000, 21 mars 2010 - 05:17 .

[skl]

SelphieSK wrote...

I could see the Council declaring you rogue for working with Cerberus ; it can work whether you gave the base to TIM or not (in which case he forwards some "rumors" to the Council).
That Asari spectre we heard of would be the one assigned to catch you.
So the Council won't help, again, and you have to work with Cerberus, again.

Thoughts?

Even better: the Council declares you rogue because from their point of view you're the new Saren, what with your private geth army, possibly rachni too, etc. So, I could definitely see another spectre charged with catching you!

[Alamar2078]

skl wrote...

SelphieSK wrote...

I could see the Council declaring you rogue for working with Cerberus ; it can work whether you gave the base to TIM or not (in which case he forwards some "rumors" to the Council).
That Asari spectre we heard of would be the one assigned to catch you.
So the Council won't help, again, and you have to work with Cerberus, again.

Thoughts?

Even better: the Council declares you rogue because from their point of view you're the new Saren, what with your private geth army, possibly rachni too, etc. So, I could definitely see another spectre charged with catching you!

I've thought about something like that.  Wouldn't it be sorta-cool to have boss fights against folks who might have the same powers & special abilities that you do.   Another Vanguard that can charge you & your team,, engineers that could spam exploding drones every few seconds, cloaking snipers, Adrenalin Rushing Tanks, etc.

[Zulu_DFA]

skl wrote...

SelphieSK wrote...

I could see the Council declaring you rogue for working with Cerberus ; it can work whether you gave the base to TIM or not (in which case he forwards some "rumors" to the Council).
That Asari spectre we heard of would be the one assigned to catch you.
So the Council won't help, again, and you have to work with Cerberus, again.

Thoughts?

Even better: the Council declares you rogue because from their point of view you're the new Saren, what with your private geth army, possibly rachni too, etc. So, I could definitely see another spectre charged with catching you!

Uh-huh! I was having this on my mind too. Actually the bill of indictment against Shepard could be very long, even for full Paragon (remember the post-Noveria briefing?).

And then, when the entire Civilized Galaxy turns their backs on Shepard and tries to hunt him down, he receives a "special offer" from the Reapers...

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 avril 2010 - 07:53 .

[Archereon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

 Bioware shouldn't cowtow to new players...

I heard it's called EA now...

And this Children, is why mass effect 3 will suck ass.

You see, EA is like a Reaper, they don't need to do anything or even think about it to corrupt others into their way of thinking, it just happens by proximity.



EDIT: SH!T!!!...Sorry for necroing, I was directed to this from another thread, and didn't check the date of the last post...

Modifié par Archereon, 24 avril 2010 - 08:00 .

[casedawgz]

Only if Tyler Perry can be the grand chairman of the Alliance hearings.

[Zulu_DFA]

Archereon wrote...

EDIT: SH!T!!!...Sorry for necroing, I was directed to this from another thread, and didn't check the date of the last post...

Ha-ha-ha!

The subject has been recovered. Lazarus Project will proceed as planned!

[hangmans tree]

Interesting, I just made a similar topic the other day.

http://social.biowar...20556/1#2429156

An excerpt from it:

myself wrote

(edited a little)

I myself see great story value in the little things - e.g. the message from the quarian admiralty where they give Tali under your command saying that if any harm was to come to her because of your neglegance you will be pursued with grave determination to exert punishment with supreme discrimination (and there are several other in that tone, plus the message from the escapee - murderer-convict from purgatory).

Lets say you start the game, locked and held for trial/execution for aiding/allying with geth and murder commited on Tali...and the rest of your team which dissapeard after collectors base. They may be really dead, or captured by Cerberus...or deeply undercover by your command, preparing for whats to come - with their own assignments. And you had your memory wipe to prevent from compromising the mission(s).

There are some great possibilities to exploit.

Another one is Toombs, and his little army of merceneries hunting for Cerberus..or exCerberus for that matter.

Well, that or the Omega Wars - you return to see Omega in state of havoc and destruction, scale of which depending on wheather you fed the info to Aria (about the coup) or not. And the chaos spreading.

Then there are Batarians with the The Leviathan of Dis. Probably hidden and studied in secrecy. What would be the outcome of some breakthrough discovery from their part? A new menace, or a strong aid in the battle?

[Zulu_DFA]

hangmans tree wrote...

Another one is Toombs, and his little army of merceneries hunting for Cerberus..or exCerberus for that matter.

Well, that or the Omega Wars - you return to see Omega in state of havoc and destruction, scale of which depending on wheather you fed the info to Aria (about the coup) or not. And the chaos spreading.

Even the Goody-two-shoes Paragon Shepards pissed off enough people to "die" again in  the beginning of ME3... So the "trial" twist is a lucky day for them... Oh, wait... Paragons actually have more people gunning for them, because the Renegades just shot most of them already!!!

[Pathetisad]

SelphieSK wrote...

I could see the Council declaring you rogue for working with Cerberus ; it can work whether you gave the base to TIM or not (in which case he forwards some "rumors" to the Council).

Thoughts?

The council knew you were working with Cerberus and still  offered to reinstate your Spectre status.  So why would they turn around and  declare you 'a rogue spectre' for working with Cerberus?

[Zulu_DFA]

Pathetisad wrote...

SelphieSK wrote...

I could see the Council declaring you rogue for working with Cerberus ; it can work whether you gave the base to TIM or not (in which case he forwards some "rumors" to the Council).

Thoughts?

The council knew you were working with Cerberus and still  offered to reinstate your Spectre status.  So why would they turn around and  declare you 'a rogue spectre' for working with Cerberus?

Conservatives win the lower house in the Turian general election => change of policy => new turian councillor => humans are all racists => Shepard for scapegoat.

That said, Shepard may stand trial not before the Council or Alliance. Batarians may get him as a first strike of their anti-Alliance (anti-Council) Great Campaign, Balak was blabbering about.

[Nivenus]

I never thought the current turian councilor was friendly to begin with. Besides, I doubt turians (given their hierarchical, extremely meritocratic social structure) elect their Citadel councilor. I always got the impression those guys served for life anyway.



Besides, it takes more than one vote to indict Shepard. The salarian and asari councilors would also have to agree, given the human vote, which would, if held by Anderson, almost certainly not fall on the anti-Shepard side.



I actually think the Council working against Shepard might happen. But I doubt it will be anything as contrived as this.

[Azint]

Plot twists?

M. Night Shyamalan approves +30

[Zulu_DFA]

Nivenus wrote...

I never thought the current turian councilor was friendly to begin with. Besides, I doubt turians (given their hierarchical, extremely meritocratic social structure) elect their Citadel councilor. I always got the impression those guys served for life anyway.

Besides, it takes more than one vote to indict Shepard. The salarian and asari councilors would also have to agree, given the human vote, which would, if held by Anderson, almost certainly not fall on the anti-Shepard side.

I actually think the Council working against Shepard might happen. But I doubt it will be anything as contrived as this.

OKAY OKAY

The Shadow Broker before getting killed by Shepard slips out some fake info to the Council (free of charge of course), that Shepard is planning a coup to instate TIM as Galactic Emperor. How many more plot twist ideas should I come up with?

[Xanthor]

The game starts with Shepard's head exploding.



Facial reconstruction taken care of...

[Dean_the_Young]

If the Council has no presence or role in the Terminus Systems, and re-commissioned Spectre Shepard enters the Terminus Systems, does Shepard cease to exist to prevent a paradox of a Council presence and authority in the Terminus?


More seriously, I agree with the general idea about a trial, though it could even be a secret trial. The intro would probably be the jailbreak, with whoever your allies you've gathered coming to your rescue.


-If you kept the Collector Base and sided with Cerberus personally, it leaks out/is discovered by the Council, who deems it a step too far Spectre or not: they had hoped you would leave sooner or later, but you've done irreversible actions. In this, jailbreak is by Cerberus/Alliance allies.

-If you destroyed the Collector Base and broke all ties with TIM, TIM wants you out of the way (but alive) until the Reapers come. Cerberus goes on its own public/secret campaign, but more importantly uses it's pull within the top of the Alliance to have Shepard court marshaled (for, let's say, working with Cerberus, among other things). Shepard is thrown into an Alliance/Cerberus brig: jailbreak allies are the Council/Allies.

-If you saved base/didn't partner up with TIM, or destroyed base but kept ties with TIM, general mission setup is same but dialogue changes to reflect new tone. (In case two, TIM needs you out of the way, but sees it as a way to keep you alive for when you'll be needed again.)

-Alternatively, Reapers are behind your incarceration, acting through Agents to marginalize you before their arrival: may tie to any of the others.

The simplest way to deal with all the different possible plots is to have a lot of the same scenarios, but lots of varying dialogue to give context and appropriate tones to the scenes. So while gameplay will likely be pretty consistent, hopefully they expand the atmosphere/dialogue like they couldn't for ME2.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 29 avril 2010 - 02:22 .

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Personally prefer the council doing the trial and sorting thru all your "mis-deeds" like exterminating an species or releasing an hostile one (Rachni). The Geno-phage cure might be well on it's way now, so that might be a charge, being with Cerberus etc etc. All the past deeds you did in the game etc all come to an pinnacle right here. Council is dumb enough and has political pull to easy throw you into jail for what you have done.Your two + surviving crew mates will then save you.