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[Zulu_DFA]

Hopefire wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

what? sheperd a convict? that's stupid.

All right you asked for it. Here's some MASSIVE MASS EFFECT 3 SPOILERS!!!


It starts with Anderson getting drunk.

Kahlee Sanders has been indoctrinated and the Reapers are about to invade.

Then Shepard shows up in his N7 armor, which he never can change to the casual outfit now...

He spent last 9 years in jail after the Turians arrested him in the wake of Anderson's anti-Cerberus stampede.

But Shepard is ready to forgive Anderson for the old times' sake and makes him a business proposition.

They go on missions to collect pieces of a Prothean artefact that'd supposedly kill all Reapers instanteneously, as they arrive to the Milky Way.

At some point Joker tells Anderson that Shepard's N7 armor is a death trap, that'd shut down all his cyber-zombie implants if given a specific command.

In the end they find dehuskified Kahlee and Shepard takes aim at her saying that TIM bailed him out of jail on the condition that he kills Kahlee. Anderson says "We all got our choices to make" and shoots Shepard in the face.

Throw in a sequence where Garrus (after speaking with Saren's spectre) shows up to tell Anderson about what he's been up to, and how Sovereign was actually a good guy who had no other choice, and tells Anderson that it's crucial that Kahlee Sanders be allowed to live.

Alternatively, it can be EDI that needs to be rescued rather than Kahlee, and Liara can join Anderson's crew as the hot science chick with glasses looking for a cure to indoctrination. . .

APPROVED.

[Liec]

 Why reconstruct you face when you can swap you mind with anybody else? You could then play ME3 as Blasto Shepard: Hanar Spectre =)

[Zulu_DFA]

Liec wrote...

 swap you mind

Hmmm... That's Edmond Hamilton's Star Kings. Cool stuff... for 1947. With main villain being, of course, the coolest character there.

[Major Truth]

VampireCommando wrote...
However i'm all for my LI Ash becoming a spectre, now that would be quite cool.

While it would be interesting to see Ashley as a spectre I just don't see it happening. The alliance is "In her blood" and I don't see her leaving to go take orders from a council she dosen't even respect.

She's not about to be the dog that gets set on the bear !!

[Gibb_Shepard]

I'm sorry, but the alliance giving you life in prison after you saved the galaxy twice, the first time being on an epic scale of saving the galaxy, would just be bad writing. They already made me facepalm when the council denied the existence of reapers in ME2, i will most likely hit myself over the head with a brick if they make the alliance this stupidly retarded.

[Zulu_DFA]

Major Truth wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...
However i'm all for my LI Ash becoming a spectre, now that would be quite cool.

While it would be interesting to see Ashley as a spectre I just don't see it happening. The alliance is "In her blood" and I don't see her leaving to go take orders from a council she dosen't even respect.

She's not about to be the dog that gets set on the bear !!

Nor was my Shepard happy when when his Alliance superiors chose him to become Spectre. But that's what the orders are for.

However, seeing how Anderson is basically at odds with the Alliance now and Ashley has been under his command lately I kinda doubt that too. More interesting is how she'll react to Anderson's waking up to the ugly reality and quitting the Alliance's ranks?

Plus it's either the original Council that can't be fond of the idea of more Human spectres after Shepard's going rogue, or a Council led by Udina, who isn't fond of spectres in general... So my bet is on a Turian female.

[ashwind]

How could the alliance do anything to Shepard if he got reinstated as Spectre. Spectres only answer to the Council and if/when a Spectre goes rogue, they send another Spectre after them - after they revoke his/her status



I think is best to start ME3 with Reapers attacking, otherwise the game maybe too long (too expensive to make)



So, a Reaper attack say... the Hanar homeworld (since they are jellyfish ) and Shepard showed up in the new and enhanced Normandy (help from SB aka Liara, Geth and Rachni maybe) and took down the Reaper - then the entire game is about preparing for the final confrontation - since now nobody can deny that the Reapers exist.

[DarkSeraphym]

I love these ideas spewing out of your mind Zulu. They will give my Renegade Shepard a more B-A feel to him when the time comes.

However, I do have a question that I noticed a page or two back. Why should the Illusive Man dislike Shepard merely out of the fact that he can be kind of snippy to him? I can certainly see why the Illusive Man wouldn't exactly be appreciative of it, but regardless Renegade Shepard always gets the job done for Cerberus. To be honest, Shepard seems to be better at getting the job done than any of TIM's other employees. Besides, TIM always struck me as an opportunist anyways. So what if Shepard's attitude is a little off, he still brings home the bacon.

By the way, I just wanted to comment that I found it very fascinating in LOTSB's dossiers on Hackett where Hackett replies "Request denied." Although it is very short and doesn't say a whole lot in of itself, I think that adds a little more evidence into the pile of your belief that Cerberus never actually went "rogue" on the Alliance. I'm not sure why else Hackett would deny the Alliance the ability to arrest him.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 06 octobre 2010 - 11:39 .

[Dean_the_Young]

ashwind wrote...

How could the alliance do anything to Shepard if he got reinstated as Spectre. Spectres only answer to the Council and if/when a Spectre goes rogue, they send another Spectre after them - after they revoke his/her status

The Alliance is, at the very least, 1/4th of the Council, if not all of it. They are very much in a position to make Shepard a scape goat, and if they choose to it would be hard for the alien council members to deny it as a trade.

[Zulu_DFA]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I'm sorry, but the alliance giving you life in prison after you saved the galaxy twice, the first time being on an epic scale of saving the galaxy, would just be bad writing. They already made me facepalm when the council denied the existence of reapers in ME2, i will most likely hit myself over the head with a brick if they make the alliance this stupidly retarded.

The second time you saved the Galaxy is too hush-hush to count. And the first one ended with... oh, well...

ashwind wrote...

How could the alliance do anything to Shepard if he got reinstated as Spectre. Spectres only answer to the Council and if/when a Spectre goes rogue, they send another Spectre after them - after they revoke his/her status

I said in the OP that Shepard's trial may be purely Council's action. But for the sake of simplicity of game development both the Old Council and Human-led Council can "outsource" the problem to the Alliance, especially since the Alliance might very well volunteer to deal with you.

DarkSeraphym wrote...

However, I do have a question that I noticed a page or two back. Why should the Illusive Man dislike Shepard merely out of the fact that he can be kind of snippy to him? I can certainly see why the Illusive Man wouldn't exactly be appreciative of it, but regardless Renegade Shepard always gets the job done for Cerberus. To be honest, Shepard seems to be better at getting the job done than any of TIM's other employees. Besides, TIM always struck me as an opportunist anyways. So what if Shepard's attitude is a little off, he still brings home the bacon.

There is a number of considerations why TIM may so much as instigate Shepard's imprisonment, even in the case of Human-led Council, Cerberus not being really rogue and Shepard's full loyalty to Cerberus:

First, PR. Show the aliens that there aren't untoucheable people in the Alliance, when it comes to fighting corruption in its own midst. And, of course, the deniability again, uphold the legend of Cerberus being "avowed enemy", especially as it's not a secret in certain circles, that Shepard's been working with Cerberus.

Secondly, with all the mess Admiral Anderson put Cerberus through, and no immediate threat of the Reapers, TIM might want to conserve Shepard. Make sure the Commander can't get himself in some trouble or jeopardy, while Cerberus is recovering and Shepard's services aren't required.

If that's the case (for example TIM signalling Adm. Hackett to give the green light to Shepard's apprehension, and maybe even sending Shepard to the trap = "Alliance DLC", *Ta-Da!* = ), it may be used to antagonize Shepard and TIM, if that's where the writers want the story to go. The only problem is that it's still falling short of "TIM = evil" scenario, which leaves room for the Cerberus Loyalist Shepard to reconcile with this ordeal.

DarkSeraphym wrote...
By the way, I just wanted to comment that I found it very fascinating in LOTSB's dossiers on Hackett where Hackett replies "Request denied." Although it is very short and doesn't say a whole lot in of itself, I think that adds a little more evidence into the pile of your belief that Cerberus never actually went "rogue" on the Alliance. I'm not sure why else Hackett would deny the Alliance the ability to arrest him.

That's what even the people that deny my "Cerberus = Alliance" theory get from it too, but they tend to go "Oh, what a bastard Admiral Hackett is! He is a Cerberus infiltrator!" To them the Systems Alliance is still a "US in space minus the GOP", and will remain exactly that even if 100% of its officials become Cerberus infiltrators... In which case Turian policing it 100% of the time will be more preferable than allowing pro-Human sentiment to be exercised.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 octobre 2010 - 02:47 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Wow, Zulu! Alliance DLC ends with Shepard's abduction? Damn, dude. Do you secretly work for BioWare or something?

I can TOTALLY see that happening, in the very last piece of DLC for ME2.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 06 octobre 2010 - 02:57 .

[Zulu_DFA]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Wow, Zulu! Alliance DLC ends with Shepard's abduction? Damn, dude. Do you secretly work for BioWare or something?

I can TOTALLY see that happening, in the very last piece of DLC for ME2.

Yeah, and I'd expect it hit the market during the ME3 promotion campaign - maybe just a month before release. It could also pack then some more squaddie-talkie, and be included in some ME2 Ultimate Edition with all the DLC on the 3rd disk.

I also have a perfect idea of who can be Shepard's cell mate (and Jenkins/Wilson kind of guy for that matter). Harkin, lol!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 octobre 2010 - 03:24 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Harkin! LMAO! 

[jlb524]

I do support this idea. If they are going to reset Shepard's abilities, it better be due to imprisonment and not death. Plus, lots of cool RPGs start with a jailbreak.



It does seems like the writers are going to take Shepard from hero to fallen hero during the story. Of course, Shepard will save the day at the end and things will be spiffy again.

[DarkSeraphym]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

That's what even the people that deny my "Cerberus = Alliance" theory get from it too, but they tend to go "Oh, what a bastard Admiral Hackett is! He is a Cerberus infiltrator!" To them the Systems Alliance is still a "US in space minus the GOP", and will remain exactly that even if 100% of its officials become Cerberus infiltrators... In which case Turian policing it 100% of the time will be more preferable than allowing pro-Human sentiment to be exercised.

Well at least you end up right either way. Either the Alliance and Cerberus are still part of the same entity willingly and the Alliance is just denying it to maintain appearances, likewise as a bout of political genius when the Alliance isn't forced to accept ramificaitons for unethical practices, or the Alliance and Cerberus end up still part of the same entity unwillingly because key leaders are Cerberus infiltrators. Either way, you win .

I'm really not sure why people are so resistant to the idea that Cerberus and the Alliance aren't separate entities, it's probably an emotional response. Mass Effect had a rather nice plot twist when it was discovered that the Mass Relays weren't built by the Protheans, but instead by the Reapers and the whole thing was just an ingenuis trap. Likewise, Mass Effect 2 had a nice plot twist when we discovered that The Illusive Man had ulterior motives, although ones that I defend nonetheless, behind bringing Shepard back for the Suicide Mission. It seems fitting given past precedent that we will probably see another similar plot twist in Mass Effect 3, if not several, and this one seems fitting. Hideo Kojima would personally send his congradulations to BioWare for going this route.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 06 octobre 2010 - 05:40 .

[Zulu_DFA]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

I'm really not sure why people are so resistant to the idea that Cerberus and the Alliance aren't separate entities, it's probably an emotional response.

I came to the same conclusion.

DarkSeraphym wrote...
Mass Effect had a rather nice plot twist when it was discovered that the Mass Relays weren't built by the Protheans, but instead by the Reapers and the whole thing was just an ingenuis trap. Likewise, Mass Effect 2 had a nice plot twist when we discovered that The Illusive Man had ulterior motives, although ones that I defend nonetheless, behind bringing Shepard back for the Suicide Mission. It seems fitting given past precedent that we will probably see another similar plot twist in Mass Effect 3, if not several, and this one seems fitting. Hideo Kojima would personally send his congradulations to BioWare for going this route.

Nah. I don't expect all the "rogue" situation to be canonized either way. It's not essential to resolve the main plot, so they may want to leave it for another game, or just for continuous fan debate. They do promise however, to shade some more light on TIM and Cerberus origins in the new upcoming comic series.

As for big plot twists they must be Reapers-related as there really is a lot to be explained. And I think there is a possility that Shepard is indeed culpable, unbeknownst to anybody as of yet.

The Mystery of Vigil.

[MajFauxPas]

I like idea #1. The thought of Ash/Kaidan being the Specter who bags you is a good one, except they wouldn't be Specters, they would be Alliance Commanders with their own Normandy....



Near end game, I could see a cut-scene with Adm. Hackett backing up Shepard by sending the entire 5th fleet to support him/her, IF the ties were not severed. Same for the other races.



Think recruiting fleets instead of characters. The more races you have behind you, the better your chance of defeating the Reaper invasion... just an idea.

[skcih-deraj]

Some thing like this?

http://www.fanfictio...he_Galaxy_Needs

[JoHnDoE14]

It's only reasonable that ME3 will open up this way. I support your ideas 100%.

[Dean_the_Young]

Something that could be considered is that arresting Shepard can happen under Anderson under the basis of being for Shepard's own good: a way to keep him alive, safe, and not making his position worse as he presumably has been doing. An alternative to the Council really trying to kill Shepard.



That sort of justification could also cover any involvement by TIM in the decision as well.

[Prince of Kemet]

Another good reason for the council possibly wanting Shepard brought in is because they want to know what is beyond the Omega 4 Relay. Even if something like this does occur, I don't think that T.I.M. will sit around and do nothing.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I like OP idea about if player changes their face at all it does things to the plot and how you interact with players though inorder for it to work we'd have to assume ME3 uses the same engine as ME2 did so when you load up a character they look like they did in 2 I know I had an issue importing my 1 shep into 2 they looked pretty bad so I had to tweak it to get her to look right again maybe it goes off of things like if half the numbers in the original import numbers change that would be considered a minor change and so minor dailouge would occur like Tali sees you and says, " Shepard did you have shoulder length Blondie hair when did you cut it?" but if 70 - 100% of the numbers change its considered major surgery and when you meet Tali she's like, " Who are you?," and pulls gun out. This would be the part where helping her on the Aleri comes in you could say, " I remember the recording where you're father didn't want you to get any further involved in his work and said his dream was to build you a home on Rannoch." or you could make reference to the conversation with Ran, " You're Auntie Ran said she linked suits with your mother twice the second time she put you in the bubble." or something like that if you didn't talk to Ran or didn't do Tali's mission she might just shoot you.



I think facial appearance should first be done before the trial starts I for one would like to actually participate in the trial and see my shep react to it maybe they can have him/her in holding cell awaiting to be taken into the trial area and it's here in a mirror you can get facial appearance Ok'd then after you complete that the guards will come and take you to trial.





I think possible prison rescuers ( who would also be auto squad mates on Normandy once you get there) Tali her hacking and computer knowledge would really aid in getting Shep out, Garrus he's infiltrated Omega areas before and he could easily play the role of a guard sense most Turians look alike and he could mimick any clan markings, Miranda w/ npc crewmen make a diversion in a second part of the prison.



The would take you to a safe house first here they could bring you up to speed, give you you're equipment, and allow you to generally calm down and get your bearings before heading to the Normandy which would be in a hidden location. Miranda could also suggest here you may want to get surgery done before heading to the Normandy and player can say yes and change their appearance or say no and continue to the ship this would allow the player to do minor touch ups if they thought their Shep at this point didn't look quite right and stay under the 50% minor change mark if these tweaks where done under the mark then dailouge w/ crew, npcs, and general bad guys would have Shep being immediately recognizable by these people.



When you make it to the Normandy sense you where under arrest Joker tells you the crew has been in an uproar over who exactly was in charge if you cut ties with TIM some listened to Miranda while other listened to Garrus or Jacob the player is now prompted to pick a new XO and reassign the other two. If you kept ties with Cerberus you still get to pick XOs the crew listened to Miranda, Zeed, or Jacob.



I like the idea of recruit Kaiden/Ashley during the break out phase but I think if you're successful they should show up later in the plot and give you back up say you're fighting off bad guys and getting out numbered they show up and help and say, " I'm here now to join you like promised." and they're now on you're team you can add them now to you're squad or let them go to the ship and get settled in. I don't think Ash/Kiaden in anyway should become Spectors because this would give them zero incentive to stay on long term with Shepard I know people will point to Samara and say she was Spector like and she stayed on but its different two Spectors doing the same mission over a long period of time makes no sense the Spectors have limited man power and need all the resources they can get allowing two to work long term together depletes available manpower that could be used for other crisis else where. The alliance promotion they got will serve well for them to be able to stay long term working with Shep with little complications.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Wow there is alot of stuff here ok so the wall continues!



but onto other posts



The Alliance despite Anderson reinstating you're spector status could court martial a pro Cerberus Shep because Anderson himself said the status was a symbol not a working visa it had pull in some circles but he could not officially on paper get you reinstated just give you the badge/card/whatever they use. The Alliance as a whole was looking to can you anyway per Hackett memo in SB Anderson and Hackett just found the muscle to get them to back down there is only so long they could do this.





The council could also terminate you based off their own actions you died they called you misguided and insane you come back you're now all the back peddling they've done was for nothing also they sent you to hunt Geth they where trying to keep you away so they could come up with any excuse to get rid of you its just the Collectors beat them to it. I think as far as the council was concerned you served your purpose you got Saren you where the poster boy/girl for their acceptance of humans its a way of saying see we don't think badly of the newcomers we just made one a Spector their plan may've always been to use you and loose you except when you went after Saren you came backing with more then they wanted to handle.





Hell even a Cerberus lock up could be done if you FU'd TIM he gets the ship and is only imprisoning you while he decides on if he wants to implant control devices in you or out right kill yo and get his tech back or worse....He may not put you on trial but definitely lock you up.



If BW decides a whole new squad is in order most could become dreaded npcs like we've gotten from 1 -2. I hope they don't go this way all that live should be recruitable w/o loyalty missions in 3.



The only real cameo or npc roles that could make sense would be :

Thane he's dieing most likely he's retired or in hospital player can visit him x amount of times or until mid game and he dies maybe BW will let us go, see, and interact with his funeral?



Samara she says in 2 if you call for her she'll come back and help you so it sounds like she's already going to be gone from Normandy in 3 and a npc with strong appearances and will provide aid in final battle.



Some say Legion I can see why though I'd hate for him to go because I can partly spy on him and partly his not so bad for a Geth at least working with him I also work with thousands of geth at the same time winning over processors and programming and all if I don't do it I doubt another human will. But some have suggested he takes your lessons to hear or processor and begins working with good Geth everywhere to get them onboard your cause.



Mordin he's trick he could be npc for tech upgrades like Chakwas is or he could be gone working as head of a super war lab making bio and tech weapons for the reapers.



As far as catering to new players I don't like it either but BW did it w/ 2 we'll have to assume unless proven otherwise they're willing to do it for 3 I'd prefer to still go to trial in 3 but BW make it a mandatory thing that playing 2 will really help new players navigate and understand 3 type of thing I mean why play #3 of a trilogy if you never played at least #2 of it? It's like watching the last Star Wars movie w/o knowing crap about who is who everything is interwoven w/o watching the last few movies you'd have very little clue as to who is who and how they relate to the overall character.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Wow, Zulu! Alliance DLC ends with Shepard's abduction? Damn, dude. Do you secretly work for BioWare or something?

I can TOTALLY see that happening, in the very last piece of DLC for ME2.

Yeah, and I'd expect it hit the market during the ME3 promotion campaign - maybe just a month before release. It could also pack then some more squaddie-talkie, and be included in some ME2 Ultimate Edition with all the DLC on the 3rd disk.

I also have a perfect idea of who can be Shepard's cell mate (and Jenkins/Wilson kind of guy for that matter). Harkin, lol!

Harkin as Sheps cell mate? Beautiful work sir!

[Moiaussi]

I have a better idea! Since so many seem to like these gratuitously dark, contrived starts, why not start Shepard out as a husk? He could wander about a barren world looking for organics to kill and steal someone else's body. Then he could carve his own way, taking over the reapers from the inside, but falling a little more every momment while the galaxy that abandoned him crumbles around him, finally ending up in a pyhrric victory where Shepard dies, and the galaxy is left in ruin.... and along the way, Shepard has to kill his LI, either the Alliance or Cerberus kill his dog (he doesn't have one in ME1 or 2, but he gets on in ME3 just so they can kill it for extra drama), half his team betray him killing or being killed by the other half (with Shepard having to kill the surviving half).... The Normandy gets destroyed and stolen and turned into a theme park for one of the potential LI's he turned down....



Basicly a typical country song....