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[Bratt1204]

ejikvkaske wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...

People probably shouldn't get that worked up over the "old favorite" quote. It's simply a marketing euphemism.

Exactly. What were they supposed to market him as? Perhaps a "returning companion who is apparently hated by a large portion of the community"? That would sure sell plenty of games. <_<

True, however it would have been honest.

[DragonDefender]

Im the weird one, I loved the drunk dwarf. Man he is sodding awesome esp his banter w the female party memebers and his cut scenes at camp.

[Ferret A Baudoin]

We said "an old favorite" - not "your favorite" or "the favorite". Some folks love him, some don't. That's the same of almost all of the companions in DA. He's really good in Awakening (but I'm an Oghren fan). If you don't like him, leave him by the curb and grab some of the other companions instead.

[Darkannex]

So long as Felsi has him calmed down... less flatulant jokes and leering stares pls!

[Silensfurtim]

[Ponce de Leon]

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

We said "an old favorite" - not "your favorite" or "the favorite". Some folks love him, some don't. That's the same of almost all of the companions in DA. He's really good in Awakening (but I'm an Oghren fan). If you don't like him, leave him by the curb and grab some of the other companions instead.

There. Problem solved! Now no one can say "WHY OLD FAVORITE, HE'S NOT MINE!!"

[Hugmejohnny]

Shavon wrote...

I bet at one point, Oghren was a generally favored character, not THE favorite. An now he's getting all this hate, because there are better characters that could have returned. Such as Dog. Or Sten.
It's easier to return a character who supposedly can't die. I hope Bioware gets over this ofr DA2 and Me3. Just because a character can die doesn't mena we should be depreived of their presence in subsequent games.

Dog and Sten? Sten seems to be as popular as Oghren, a fairly distributed amount of hate and love. Infact, upon release, Sten actually got tons of hate because he was a character many looked foward to, but his very very hard shell put many off. Dog is dog, not many hate him cause how can you? But bottom line, he makes Oghren looks as deep as the ocean. Many directions Oghren can go, he can be fleshed out, but Dog is just a dog.

As far as bringing back characters, it isn't as simple as wanting it to happen. It's a huge challenge. Oghren is the perfect example of a character who can be brought back without too much difficulty, but the cost is he's somewhat shallow and not well developed. Leliana's great because she's deep and her story can go a ton of diffrent directions, but the cost is it's near impossible to bring her back.

I think Morrigan is a perfect balance of the two. She's deep, but her fate is also somewhat set in stone. I didn't find her as intresting and fleshed out as Alistair or Leliana, but I'm looking foward to her assured return

[FieryDove]

Shavon wrote...

It's easier to return a character who supposedly can't die. I hope Bioware gets over this ofr DA2 and Me3. Just because a character can die doesn't mena we should be depreived of their presence in subsequent games.

+1000 (approval points)

[Wishpig]

FieryDove wrote...

Shavon wrote...

It's
easier to return a character who supposedly can't die. I hope Bioware
gets over this ofr DA2 and Me3. Just because a character can die
doesn't mena we should be depreived of their presence in subsequent
games.

+1000 (approval points)

It's not
easier, it's a matter of is it worth it. Devs put a ton of
work into companions, thats why we love them so much. They take up
allot of money and allot of time. Time and money that goes to waste on
allot of players if the character is dead. Their not dumb either, they see the pattern on these forums. Look at ME vs ME2. People whined and threw hissy fits over characters not returning for ME2 pre-release. Post-release barely anyone mentions them because they fell in love with the new cast. Eventually the pattern will repeat, people will want ME2 companions back for ME3, but then they will fall in love with the ME3 cast.

[WilliamShatner]

Wishpig wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

Shavon wrote...

It's
easier to return a character who supposedly can't die. I hope Bioware
gets over this ofr DA2 and Me3. Just because a character can die
doesn't mena we should be depreived of their presence in subsequent
games.

+1000 (approval points)

It's not
easier, it's a matter of is it worth it. Devs put a ton of
work into companions, thats why we love them so much. They take up
allot of money and allot of time. Time and money that goes to waste on
allot of players if the character is dead. Their not dumb either, they see the pattern on these forums. Look at ME vs ME2. People whined and threw hissy fits over characters not returning for ME2 pre-release. Post-release barely anyone mentions them because they fell in love with the new cast. Eventually the pattern will repeat, people will want ME2 companions back for ME3, but then they will fall in love with the ME3 cast.

There are lots of people who still think not bringing the original crew back for ME2 was a rubbish idea.  Several of the most popular forum groups are the ones dedicated to wanting those characters back in ME3.  The difference now rather than a couple of months ago is ME2 is here and nothing can be done about it (barring some surpisingly good DLC) and we live in hope for ME3.

Eitherway, if in the future BioWare market their games like Mass Effect as one continuous story over several games, and keep chucking out the characters we grew attached to in favour of new ones, it will grow tiresome very quickly.

[Cutlass Jack]

Oghren? Really? That's the 'favorite?' Oh yeah. I'm sure that's the one everyone wanted....not.



It's almost an insulting choice. I think given a choice of only one character to come back, most would not pick him. At least give me back my dog. Not like you'd even need to record new dialogue.

[Vicious]

Good ol vocal whinority.

[Bratt1204]

dark-lauron wrote...

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

We said "an old favorite" - not "your favorite" or "the favorite". Some folks love him, some don't. That's the same of almost all of the companions in DA. He's really good in Awakening (but I'm an Oghren fan). If you don't like him, leave him by the curb and grab some of the other companions instead.

There. Problem solved! Now no one can say "WHY OLD FAVORITE, HE'S NOT MINE!!"

Well, in my Origins ending I am married to King Alistair and am Queen. So as Queen, I will simply call for the execution of Oghren in Awakening and my problem with thus be solved. 

[Ceridraen]

Oghren grew on me - he's not close to 'favorite,' but he does seem to be a genuinely good character. He doesn't have an incredibly annoying voice, like Leliana. (to each his own, but she inspired me to hunt down any way of muting that dialogue) He's friendlier than Sten. (not saying much) And he did give me one of my favorite scenes, when my little mage politely takes a drink, then falls over flat. All too accurate!

[Wishpig]

Vicious wrote...

Good ol vocal whinority.

Whinority, heh, I like that.

Shavon wrote...

I like Oghren fine, but calling him an
old favorite is not going to endear him to anyone. Instead, its going
to make people resentful of him , because there are better party
members they could have brought back. Majority-wise

Agreed, Oghren was middle of the road popular, same level as Sten and Zevran I think. But this choice has put him in the cross hairs of lovers of the more popular characters, their gonna be bitter towards him. Hopefully they'll give him a chance in awakening as his "large role" will almost certainly flesh him out, since his biggest critisicm is his depth, I wonder how his popularity will fair after awakening.

Modifié par Wishpig, 18 février 2010 - 05:27 .

[Nightfish103]

I really dislike how Bioware goes about Sequels or Addons. Why bother with "emotionally engaging" characters if you're gonna yank them away because you are bored with them? They've done that in NWN2 (thanks for pretty much murdering my entire party. That was classy), Mass Effect (to a lesser extent, at least some of my old companions didn't go completely bonkers) and now they're doing the same for DA:O.



What's the point of sequels or addons if you're going to barely acknowledge what has led to this point?



For me, some of these sequels seriously decrease the replay value of the predecessors, because I am always thinking "Oh great, s/he's gonna die" or something similar. I don't see what's so hard about letting us bring the characters we've come to cherish. It makes especially little sense seeing how a lot of them reaffirmed their loyalty to my grey warden at the end game ceremony. It's okay for the ones that had a good reason to leave, Sten for example. But of the ones that were there, Leliana and Zevran were a lot more enthusiastic about sticking with me than Ohgren.



So yea... I'm somewhat disappointed in advance. Still gonna get the game, but will always wonder how it could have been...

[cachx]

Well at least we're beyond the denial stage. People saying "it's not gonna be Oghren" even though it was painfully obvious from the start that it was him, was getting ridiculous...



Personally, I would have been happy with whatever character Bioware had chosen as I like all of them (I would rather have dog than morrigan tho ).



Sandal better be in there, that part is non-negotiable

[Ceridraen]

I guess I've just assumed that Sandal & his dad would be back. It seems impossible to leave them behind. If not - no, that's a bridge too far, and I will not comprehend it.

[Lethvienne]

I've just finished reading the FAQ for Dragon Age: Origins, Awakening and I must say . . . I am terribly disappointed. No Zevran? He was my character's romantic interest and my favorite of all the companions . . . And the most I'll get to see of him is a lousy cameo? No thank you.

Oghren is my LEAST favorite off all the DAO characters. I can't STAND him. I would kill the disgusting little twit if I could, and HE'S the one that's going to be coming back to play a major role? God, how discouraging. It looks like Bioware is taking away many of the things I loved about Dragon Age. I mean, my character would be faithful to Zevran no matter what, but still, NO possible new romantic interests? Nothing? I don't give a damn if one of the new characters has an interest in another of the new characters. They're not MY character. It does nothing for MY immersion in the game. It sounds like my character will be stuck in an aloof, separate leader type position and I positively deplore that. With a passion. Why the hell did I so carefully consider my actions in DAO if they don't mean anything in the expansion? What's the point?

Why the Hell do you bother making an expansion, or a sequel, if they're not going to be continuations of the relationships and stories we the players have been building up from the very beginning? No, seriously, WTF?

Depending on how this expansion plays out, and on whether or the not the next one gives me back the elements of the game (old companions for one. ZEVRAN mainly) that made me WANT to replay it over and over, I may just quit. I'm just . . . not at all happy with how this Awakening THING (I refuse to give it the dignity of naming it as an expansion, given that it expands on nothing I care about. It may as well be a completely separate entity. In some warped alternate time-line) is sounding. I guess we'll see . . .

It's a shame, really. Dragon Age: Origins had such potential . . .

Modifié par Lethvienne, 18 février 2010 - 05:43 .

[homedog 100000]

Morrigan was my favorite. Closley followed by Alistar. alistar is going to be the companion in the expansion pack.

[Wishpig]

cachx wrote...

Well at least we're beyond the denial
stage. People saying "it's not gonna be Oghren" even though it was
painfully obvious from the start that it was him, was getting
ridiculous...

Personally, I would have been happy with whatever
character Bioware had chosen as I like all of them (I would rather have
dog than morrigan tho ).

Sandal better be in there, that part is non-negotiable

Think agian

homedog 100000 wrote...

Morrigan was my favorite. Closley followed by Alistar. alistar is going to be the companion in the expansion pack.

[Joshd21]

Interesting, so favorite only applys to the Bioware team. When it was promoted an Old Favorite was returning, it was meant in terms of their old favorite, not yours? considering most people want..Morrgian..Leliana..I'm just surprised it was him.

Bioware, still is a great game and I enjoy it. I am just surprised by the wording, when the trailor came out people swore that they could see him in the clip. Most of us dismissed it because we decided an old favorite by the fans, didn't mean him

He's an okay buddy, kinda funny and interesting but I place him next to sten in terms with how popular he is. I just wished they would have said an "Old Companion returns", now if it want Morrgian or Leiana returning. The press would be exploding with excitment

People would be blogging nearly non stop but now it's like 'Orgen, really? well thats cool I guess", why not give the fans what they want. If it be Morrgian or Leiena. We are paying them our money for the game for what we want. I just assumed naturally they would want to give us what we want in return