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[jlb524]

knightnblu wrote...

As for a romance with Jack, are you kidding me? Oh sure, she would definitely rock your world in the sack, but then she would kill you just for giggles. That chick needs some serious help and with a trained professional on board, I really don’t understand why she doesn’t get the therapy she so desperately needs. So unless you like slamming your fingers in car doors, Jack is a no go.

What?  Jack's paragon romance arc is the best one in the game, IMO.  If you get to know her, you find out why she acts violently and you can be assured that she won't slit your throat in the middle of the night.

[Naltair]

jlb524 wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

As for a romance with Jack, are you kidding me? Oh sure, she would definitely rock your world in the sack, but then she would kill you just for giggles. That chick needs some serious help and with a trained professional on board, I really don’t understand why she doesn’t get the therapy she so desperately needs. So unless you like slamming your fingers in car doors, Jack is a no go.

What?  Jack's paragon romance arc is the best one in the game, IMO.  If you get to know her, you find out why she acts violently and you can be assured that she won't slit your throat in the middle of the night.

Yeah Jack's romance has a very sweet ending, she isn't my cup of tea, that being Tali, but if there was no Tali romance, Jack would be it for me.  I am a sucker for saving people especially from themselves.

Modifié par Naltair, 17 février 2010 - 07:35 .

[timedrake32]

WilliamShatner wrote...

The romances in ME2 seemed like they were written by a 15 years old. Jacob.. Ugh. Garrus is a teen sex comedy. Miranda amounts to "You look hot." "Let's do it in the engine room." Even Thane, which at a point looked like it was going to be a bit more mature has female Shepard verbally hopping on him with "I want you."

ME1 romances weren't deep conversation wise but the but it was played out more like a serious bond between to people than just wanting to hop into bed.

It's all FOX NEWS doing they attack to first ME and bioware was scard that it would happen again


GOD I'M GOING TO TAKE FOX DOWN ANY ONE WITH ME.....

[Lord Atlia]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Male Shep looks and sounds like a pervert. That's why he won't be allowed to go near Tali in my games.

Huh? I thought Tali was more of the pervert.  The only perverted thing M Shep does it that stupid smirk at the end of the 2nd or 3rd dialogue.

[Naltair]

Lord Atlia wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Male Shep looks and sounds like a pervert. That's why he won't be allowed to go near Tali in my games.

Huh? I thought Tali was more of the pervert.  The only perverted thing M Shep does it that stupid smirk at the end of the 2nd or 3rd dialogue.

Don't argue with this person they just hate the male Shepard and want to romance Tali as a female Shepard, so anything to tear him down is good in their book.

Best to nod politely.

[Punahedan]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

i think Femshep should walk around the ship in ME3 slapping everyone on the ass and making sexually degrading comments to them.

Shepard: Joker!, How's my little ****? *slaps Joker's ass*
Joker: *hangs head in shame*....I'm ok, mam. *chokes back a tear*

Shepard: (to entire crew) Hey, who do i have to fire to get a little C*** around here?!

lol. i can't go any further.....it's killin me.

*dissolves into giggles* ROFL. That's just hysterical. Do not want.

[Shepard comes out of the womens bathroom in a towel with another one wrapped around her hair. She gets on the elevator, comes out on the mess, then whips the towel from her head and cracks it at the cook's rear.]
FemShep: "Nice beets, there, chef-o!" [large wink]
[She goes into the infirmary]
FemShep: "Hey, Chakwas, got any condoms?" 
Chawkwas [wearily] : "Commander, I'm surprised you even care about those anymore."

But yeah, some...a lot...of the dialogue was just horrific, and not just romance, either. ME1 FemShep was a hard-ass, and while sometimes it tired me,  I mostly liked it. I appreciate the attempt to loosen up for the second game, but it was just done the wrong way. With Jacob, I shut him down first chance I had, but she still has the coyness when she speaks to him. It's annoying, because I like his attitude, I just like him more as a good back-up.

MutantSpleen wrote...

Shepard: It sounds like your carying some tension. Maybe I could help you get rid of it.

Garrus: I didn't think you'd feel like sparring Commander.

Shepard: What if we skipped right to the tiebreaker? We could test your reach..and my flexability.

Garrus: Oh! I didn't..huh. Never knew you had a weakness for men with scars.

I was seriously waiting for the "Bow chickka wow wow" to start playing in the background.

His first response, I sensed he was just not expecting her to come to him for sex or anything (And it's so, so sad that we trigger that romance by asking for sex. Not even having it happen naturally, WE HAVE TO ASK FOR IT. At least with Jacob, she ALWAYS sounds like she wants his gun) so he was just dense. Garrus' second response, I took as a defensive reaction while he tried to figure out if he wanted that.
FemShep, though, GAH. The second time, I can understand, he was dense, needed to emphasize her point. The first line, though, no excuse. No excuse. It was just so badly timed and placed and said and it was just laying it on way too thick.

ME1 ninja dialgoue is bad, but this is like having dinner with some family and friends and in the middle, you just shove aside the stuff on the table and launch yourself across. I don't think we're looking for subtlty, because there needs to be a clear indicator of what you're getting yourself into, but I think we'd all like some grace at least. Can we get a balance, here? 

I rather wish, also, that paragon/neutral/renegade responses to things, especially when it comes to Jacob, were separate from the "romance" nice/takemenow options.

Though it's so difficult for a lot of these romances to feel romantic at all, though Garrus does make the attempt, bless him, because of the way Shepard approaches it. "NAO BAYBEE!"

I did have a good laugh at the corn, though. I didn't really notice how bad it was until after the conversations finished, so I was sucked in enough for it not to have an immediate effect.

Edited for typos.

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 17 février 2010 - 07:48 .

[HAGA NAGA]

Naltair wrote...

Lord Atlia wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Male Shep looks and sounds like a pervert. That's why he won't be allowed to go near Tali in my games.

Huh? I thought Tali was more of the pervert.  The only perverted thing M Shep does it that stupid smirk at the end of the 2nd or 3rd dialogue.

Don't argue with this person they just hate the male Shepard and want to romance Tali as a female Shepard, so anything to tear him down is good in their book.

Best to nod politely.

well. as you know, i too would enjoy a f/f romance with Tali. but at least i got one with my secondary shep (maleshep). no complaints on that.

[Naltair]

HAGA NAGA wrote...
well. as you know, i too would enjoy a f/f romance with Tali. but at least i got one with my secondary shep (maleshep). no complaints on that.

Oh I have no problem with the want it's the fact that they must push this agenda in any post that is tangentially related to Tali and romance that is irksome.

[Lord Atlia]

jlb524 wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

As for a romance with Jack, are you kidding me? Oh sure, she would definitely rock your world in the sack, but then she would kill you just for giggles. That chick needs some serious help and with a trained professional on board, I really don’t understand why she doesn’t get the therapy she so desperately needs. So unless you like slamming your fingers in car doors, Jack is a no go.

What?  Jack's paragon romance arc is the best one in the game, IMO.  If you get to know her, you find out why she acts violently and you can be assured that she won't slit your throat in the middle of the night.

It would have been the best ever had William Shakespeare not have done it 400 years ago in the Taming of the Shrew or had Bioware not of done it a few months back with Morrigan.  Perhaps I'm just more of a fan of Cinderalla style stories (common girl is swept off her feet by Prince Charming)

Modifié par Lord Atlia, 17 février 2010 - 07:54 .

[Naltair]

True it is sort of a repeat of Morrigan with less leaving and less god-demon baby.

[Tyreal42a]

Naltair wrote...

True it is sort of a repeat of Morrigan with less leaving and less god-demon baby.

The god-demon baby was the best part of the romance. Something all parents should aspire to.

[Sbri]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Not me. Again, i don't care if Femshep gets all "sexy" & "aggressive" but i would like to decide with whom and when.

QFT.
Had Hale's delivery of the "I just feel like talking" line been saved for after the romance started, I wouldn't have batted an eyelash.  But to have the "overly flirty" delivery as the first thing she says, YUCK.  I also avoided Jacob as I couldn't stand her sounding like she was coming onto him when I just weanted to be platonic.

[Mondo47]

Lord Atlia wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

As for a romance with Jack, are you kidding me? Oh sure, she would definitely rock your world in the sack, but then she would kill you just for giggles. That chick needs some serious help and with a trained professional on board, I really don’t understand why she doesn’t get the therapy she so desperately needs. So unless you like slamming your fingers in car doors, Jack is a no go.

What?  Jack's paragon romance arc is the best one in the game, IMO.  If you get to know her, you find out why she acts violently and you can be assured that she won't slit your throat in the middle of the night.

It would have been the best ever had William Shakespeare not have done it 400 years ago in the Taming of the Shrew or had Bioware not of done it a few months back with Morrigan.  Perhaps I'm just more of a fan of Cinderalla style stories (common girl is swept off her feet by Prince Charming)

My thoughts too; I loved Jack's (Paragon) romance because I'm a softie at heart... it is an old theme, and while I just found Morrigan way too creepy (I slept with her for the achivement, then stopped playing altogether... made me feel dirty and a traitor to humankind, considering the ending  ) Jack was someone that needed love. I'm a sucker for that kinda thing.

Also, on my Tali-mance playthrough, when I was told I should choose and went with Tali... poor Jack. Most like a ****** I've ever felt in an RPG

I'm soft - I went back and never encouraged her to clear my conscience. That's gotta get Bioware some brownie points for presentation.

[silentstephi]

To the OP: I agree. I know that I had this conversation a week or so ago, but it was more me bemoaning that FemShep is the one that has to initiate all the time, instead of having that whole long flitatious route to something menaingful.



Garrus's romance was cute but there are times where it feels like the writers are writing it with you having someone in mind (I had no LI from 1, so there would be no cheating, I wanted Garrus as a romance SINCE 1, but never got the chance.) It seems like ALL the romances in 2 have the ME1 romance in mind, whether or not you had one. Which is sad, there's some romances that could really turn into something amazing in ME3, as long as they let them be. I seriously hope that your ME1 romance isn't supposed to be the one your culminate the story with.



Kaiden was SO AWKWARD to romance (when I did another play through to see more of the game.) He's a nice guy and all... but from my Renegade's perspective... I couldn't get over the whole military fraternization dealio. But anyway, I do hope and wish that there will be more romantic dialogues that could be subtle and could easily lead to something platonic instead of romantic or vice versa.



like it or not, BW goes out of their way to make your party matter to you in a human way. Telling them to cut it out because that's not what the game is about is just silly. They MAKE this part of the game, and for a damn good reason. They're doing an Excellent job of it, but as in everything in life, it could be better.



I don't like to think I complain, just criticize, because I still did enjoy it, but here's what I noticed could have been done differently to make it a better experience for me.



And yea, sure, it's a company and they need to hit the biggest group they can to make the money they're going to need. But BW's done a good job so far, I'd hate to see them give in to the path of least resistance NOW.

[oyukichan]

I did not like femShep's first line to Jacob (the "I'm more interested in just talking for a bit" one). All by itself, it is a harmless sentence, but the delivery was way too "femShep is gagging for it". That being said, I continued to talk to Jacob, sometimes opting for the Paragon responses and managed to not accidentally romance him. I'm not sure if I'd just gotten used to the delivery of the line or if it changes once you are past the potential love interest stage, but talking to Jacob no longer sounds dirty to me. (And the bro-hug is hilarious!)



I am all for better romance dialogue. I really liked how the romancing played out with Kaidan in 1, even though it irked me that you had to be careful not to turn him off by asking him what he thought of the mission (except for Therum, since there is a little flirting there). I really wanted my Shep to be all "I really really like you and want private conversation, but I also respect you and want to get your opinion on work-stuff, too."



Even so, it seems like the BioWare writers could use a little female input when it comes to writing the love interest dialogue. There has to be a way to strike a balance between socially awkward dude doesn't know how a woman would flirt and cheesy Harlequin novel lust dripping from every page. I offer my feminine expertise free of charge!

[Sialater]

Well, there are women on the staff. At least I think so. Dragon Age couldn't have the only women writers' on staff.



I think it'll be fixed as long as there are no new interests. Let us play with the ones we already have. Develop them more.

[TuringPoint]

Kordras wrote...

From what you're saying it seems like FemShep is actually a lot more straightforward than MaleShep. Granted, I've only done the Tali romance, but not once does he say anything along the lines of "So, let's get it on, eh?" The closest thing is "I want to be with you." Though, the "Come here" line during their romance scene sounded kinda weird to me.

It seems like Bioware thinks the woman should always be the ones who initiate.  FemShep tends to initiate with her interests, and MaleShep has women just hit on him before he says anything.   Miranda, Tali, and Jack.  Hell, Jack thinks you like her even after you say you don't!  And you seem to get Renegade points if you say you don't like her.  Lol, kind of a bug I think.

Modifié par Alocormin, 17 février 2010 - 10:01 .

[smudboy]

I agree.



Shepard needs to learn to have more charming, romantic lines. Some were pretty decent between male and Miranda, and especially Tali's loyalty mission. But there's a lot Shepard needs to say to some of these characters that weren't said in those romantic moments (Jack, Samara, Jacob, Kelly, etc.) Build up, tension, honesty, courage! Here's hoping the writers know how to do romantic drama next time round.

[Tayah]

Yeah I also avoid Jacob or am very careful what I pick when I have to talk to him because I found the whole femShep convos terribly cringeworthy. And that's a pity because in most of the recruitment scenes and the early missions he seems like a great character for a good friend but i DON'T want a romance with him.



Actually i don't want to romance any of the males in the game (especially when I'm playing my loyal to Liara runthrough) and would like to not have my femShep thrown at them like I should want them. And if i don't follow the romance path their convos seem to stop which is disappointing cause i would still like to have talked to them as friends. Actually not being able to continue having friendly convos with the female LIs after you reach the 'romance check point' is also frustrating because they are interesting characters i want to keep talking with.



An improvement in both the romance lines and more in depth friendship paths for ME3 would be really great.

[Fishy]

I am biased.Because before ME2 i played Dragon age Origins.This game had awesome romance dialogue.



In ME2 .. before you can even realize it , you're inviting them into your bed.

[Ghostano]

jlb524 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I am not interested in better romance dialog support. Any romance dialog with Liara would be great..

I'm hoping Hale doesn't sleaze up any future Liara romance dialog.  Liara would be like, 'What the hell, Shepard!'

Even Hale's 'ready for round two?' line she gives Liara in ME1 after the love scene didn't come off as 'sleazy'.

 May be off topic but there is a part of me that would like to see how Liara would say ,"What the hell,Shepard!". Does not have to be part of the romance with her but for some reason when I imgine her saying thing it makes me laugh.

 Sorry again and I know it is just me but the way the male shep leans against the table when talking to Jacob I thought he was going to make a move on Jacob.

[Deztyn]

Garrus was amusing as all hell, and if you approach it from the roleplaying point of view that Shepard was showing more subtle interest throughout the first two games and finally decided to say "Screw subtlety" it's even more funny.
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"I want you, Thane" was just the dialogue wheel option that triggered the romance, the words she spoke suited both characters and the overall tone of the relationship perfectly, and I suspect if the Devs had put "I'll be here for you, Thane" on the wheel at that point in the conversation there would be a lot of upset paragon playing xenophobes. Since I was horribly molested by an Asari on my first Mass Effect playthrough, I didn't mind the conversation wheel beating me over the head with the fact that choosing a line meant you were interested.

But with Jacob  the forced flirting was unforgivable.

Modifié par Deztyn, 18 février 2010 - 07:27 .

[S.DeMarche]

Alocormin wrote...
It seems like Bioware thinks the woman should always be the ones who initiate.  FemShep tends to initiate with her interests, ...

Actually it is fine with me that FemShep is the one to initiate the relationships; she is very much the initiator in all things in her life (at least the way I play her).

The problem is way that BioWare presents it. Shepard is supposed to be a professional soldier; the “best we [humans] have got" (to quote the beginning of ME1), not some horny prom queen. With Garrus, she might be able to get away with being so blatant because of their shared history and the need to be very direct with him to ensure that he understands that she wants to change the relationship. The conversations that she has with Jacob, however, are so inappropriate and unprofessional that there is no way she could maintain respect as a leader. With behaviour like that, people would think that she slept her way to the top. No one would actually say it to her, but: “She used to be Anderson's XO, right? Now he's the Ambassador to the Council? Well, yeah, I know we needed a human Spectre, but now we know why she got picked.”

It is unfortunate that there are no conversation paths for “friends” or "mutually respecting professioanl co-workers". Since we only seem to have the choice of “romance them (badly)” or “don't talk to them”, I have to choose the “don't talk to them” option.

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Modifié par S.DeMarche, 14 mars 2010 - 09:26 .

[janeym27]

I agree that FemShep's dialogue isn't even the slightest bit subtle (she flirts with EVERYONE!), but then she's been dead for 2 years, is walking into a hell she will likly not walk out of, has been abandoned by most of the peopel she ever knew, and (depending on ME1 choices) has been unceremoniously dumped by her lover. I think if I were in the same position, I'd be like 'OK. I know what I want and this time I'm taking it, dammit!'. It never bothered me, because I think in ME2 there is so much more urgency to the mission. Noone in ME1 knew for certain they were headed for death. In the beginning, it didn't even seem like the threat was that big. In ME2 they all operate on the principle that they are very likly to die (even those who won't admit it). I think it comes over in a lot of Shep's dialogue with TIM, so it never bothered me in the romances.



Hopefully in ME3, we get the opertunity to develope a romance from where we left off. Shepard can only have her heart stamped on so many times, dammit! (unless she bedded Jacob. That was pure sex)