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[Apophis2412]

I'm playing an Adept and I'm now gong through the Collector Ship. What bonus weapon should I choose?

Is the Ar any good or should I stick with Tempest?  And what about the new Cerberus shotgun?

[ODST Steve]

AR is always a safe choice but I comes down to what you like most.

[AliasGrey]

I went AR with warp ammo to drop shields down abit quicker. I use the Cerb shot gun on my vangaurd, not sure about using them on adepts.

[davidshooter]

The sniper rifle is my recommendation but it really depends on how you like to shoot.

[Hexark]

Apophis2412 wrote...

I'm playing an Adept and I'm now gong through the Collector Ship. What bonus weapon should I choose?

Is the Ar any good or should I stick with Tempest?  And what about the new Cerberus shotgun?

I went with the AR, and I'm glad I did.  A lot of it will come down to your playstyle and personal preference.  My main issue with sniper rifles for an Adept is the lack of any sort of ability to increase damage or slow down time when sniping.  Infiltrators get Cloak + time slowdown everytime they look down a scope, Soldiers have Adrenaline Rush which boosts damage 100% and slows down time.  These abilities makes sniper rifles much more efficient in terms of ammo - time slowdown means you miss less shots, and damage boost abilities mean less shots needed for a kill.  A miss with a sniper is more painful than missing with AR's.

An AR just feels a lot more effective on my Adept, I can still put out a lot of damage without needing specific abilities.  If you're worried about ammo, the Avenger and Geth Pulse Rifle both have high ammo capacity, and get a lot of rounds from an ammo pickup.  I can strip shields/barriers quick so I can put my biotics to use, and still have plenty of rounds left to deal with the next portion of the level even if no ammo drops.  The Vindicator does great damage and is accurate, but has some ammo issues.  It actually works out well with an Adept though because you have the Tempest to fall back on until you can grab some more ammo.  I tend to use the Tempest at shorter range versus shieled/barrier enemies, and use the Vindicator to hit long range targets or armored targets.

I would just save before choosing the weapon, and then play with each one for a little while and see which is the better fit for you.

[GCreature]

I chose the AR, but I never really used it. I found the SMG better to take down shields/barriers and the handcannon was better at punching through armour and those were the only situations I used weapons.



I suppose the sniper rifle allows you to attack enemies that are out of range of your biotics, but that's boring, I'd much rather close the gap so I can use my biotics.



The katana and scimitar are pretty good against shields, but it's effective range is closer than I like to get with an Adept. The eviscerator has a better range, is pretty accurate and is also great against armour, could be useful against husk/varren/krogan rushes.



I've not personally used it as an Adept, but in theory I think the eviscerator could be pretty good. Better than the other choices anyway.

[nicodeemus327]

I choose AR and used the Vindicator. It was perfect for taking down shields/armor then nuking them.

[JaegerBane]

Apophis2412 wrote...

I'm playing an Adept and I'm now gong through the Collector Ship. What bonus weapon should I choose?

Is the Ar any good or should I stick with Tempest?  And what about the new Cerberus shotgun?

You already have the Tempest, which accuracy aside is comparable to many of the Assault Rifles. I would only take ARs if you intend to carry the Vindicator, as it's the only one that offers useful options.

Shotguns are good, the Scimitar is a big fave of mine, but ultimately and Adept with Shotguns is getting mighty close to what a Vanguard does better.

Sniper Rifles are a bit of a weird one. Without any class-based damage boosters I would only pick this if you go for the Viper - primarily because that weapon works like a scoped version of the Vindicator, only with more powerful shots. The Mantis is a bad idea for an Adept, as it's all about one shot-one kill with that thing, and each shot you fire will be rather mild compared to the combat classes. Best to hammer them with a hail.

[finnithe]

I prefer the Sniper Rifle. You already have the SMG/Heavy Pistol/Warp/Singularity for getting rid of protections, so there's no point taking another weapon that does the same thing. The Vindicator is pretty powerful, but I don't see the point. Not to mention the fact that some bosses pretty much require you to use the Sniper Rifle (I don't think it's possible to kill the Thresher Maw otherwise), and on other occassions, it's better to have some more range.

[Hailcloud]

I'm gonna go with a few of the other posters above and say that Sniper Rifle probably is not the best choice for a class that doesn't have any type of ability to compliment it (like time slow-down or bonus damage from Infiltrator talents).



When I was running through Hardcore on my Sentinel, I thought the Sniper Rifle would be perfect because:

1. It has range, and I lacked long range weaponry as a Sentinel, and

2. It has stopping power.



Unfortunately, I strongly believe I would've been better off with the Assault Rifle. To reiterate, the Sniper Rifle just wasn't all that effective without talent support for it. I speculate that once I had stripped the enemies of their defenses, I would've been able to bring them down faster with the Vindicator than with the Sniper Rifle. Don't get me wrong, the Sniper Rifle came in handy sometimes, but the AR would've come in handy more often, I think.



Besides, as an Adept, you're probably wanting to bring down those defenses ASAP so you can obliterate the hell out of them with Jedi powers, and the Vindicator is just the gun for the job =)



Overall thought see what you like best. Everyone has a different play style =)

[Kronner]

I took AR because I do not have to zoom in to shoot accurately, while shooting AR, you can easily use your powers at the same time.

[davidshooter]

Good points all around.- it really just depends.........

On Insanity I used the viper and my bonus skill was warp ammo. I liked using singularity on full health enemies and then sniping head shots until they were into health and then warping (or heavy throwing off the map if possible). For me, it's a personal preference toward weapons that aim as opposed to those that spray. I found with sniper upgrades and the 10% headshot visor along with warp ammo (which deals extra damage in singularity) and the fast firing viper I was doing plenty of damage fast. I also liked finishing people off with headshots just because of the animations.

Another thing  that I realized on insanity as an Adept was that I preferred to hang back at the edge of my biotic range and lob biotics and use my sniper rifle more than getting up close and using the hand cannon or the SMG. Just my preferences though.

Modifié par davidshooter, 17 février 2010 - 10:42 .

[JaegerBane]

Kronner wrote...

I took AR because I do not have to zoom in to shoot accurately, while shooting AR, you can easily use your powers at the same time.

If you're trying to use a weapon without Zoom then it isn't really worth it to burn your extra gun slot on ARs, as you might as well be just using a heavy pistol or SMG in that kind of situation. You're not going to gain anything by using an Assault Rifle instead.

[Kronner]

JaegerBane wrote...

Kronner wrote...

I took AR because I do not have to zoom in to shoot accurately, while shooting AR, you can easily use your powers at the same time.

If you're trying to use a weapon without Zoom then it isn't really worth it to burn your extra gun slot on ARs, as you might as well be just using a heavy pistol or SMG in that kind of situation. You're not going to gain anything by using an Assault Rifle instead.

Why do you think so? Vindicator is like the most accurate weapon in the game, deals a ton of damage and I can get it just like that. I am not saying SR suck, just that when you zoom in, you cannot effectively use your powers at the same time..that makes AR superior...imho of course.

[JaegerBane]

Kronner wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Why do you think so? Vindicator is like the most accurate weapon in the game, deals a ton of damage and I can get it just like that. I am not saying SR suck, just that when you zoom in, you cannot effectively use your powers at the same time..that makes AR superior...imho of course.

Primarily because in order to actually take any advantage of using the Vindicator, as oppose to simply using the Tempest or Carnifex, you need to be able to clearly see your target at long range to shoot him accurately. If you're not zooming in at a range that the Vindicator can do but the Tempest can't then all you're doing is hipshooting shots which might hit, might not.

I'm a fan of the Vindicator myself, but I primarily found it best just for ranged shooting. If I was running and gunning then the Tempest was the superior option.

And it's probably a playstyle thing, but I can't think of the last time I tried to use biotics while zoomed in. I either use them to throw people out of the way while I'm advancing or use them on something from behind cover - in either situation I'm not zoomed.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 17 février 2010 - 11:27 .

[Kronner]

JaegerBane wrote...

Primarily because in order to actually take any advantage of using the Vindicator, as oppose to simply using the Tempest or Carnifex, you need to be able to clearly see your target at long range to shoot him accurately. If you're not zooming in at a range that the Vindicator can do but the Tempest can't then all you're doing is hipshooting shots which might hit, might not.

I'm a fan of the Vindicator myself, but I primarily found it best just for ranged shooting. If I was running and gunning then the Tempest was the superior option.

And it's probably a playstyle thing, but I can't think of the last time I tried to use biotics while zoomed in. I either use them to throw people out of the way while I'm advancing or use them on something from behind cover - in either situation I'm not zoomed.

I found Vindicator to be effective at any range. Avenger is not that bad either, even Geth rifle is usable for an Adept.
AR is a weapon I can use in any situation and it allows me to keep firing all the time and spamming my powers in the process.

Modifié par Kronner, 17 février 2010 - 11:31 .

[davidshooter]

Kronner wrote...



Why do you think so? Vindicator is like the most accurate weapon in the game, deals a ton of damage and I can get it just like that. I am not saying SR suck, just that when you zoom in, you cannot effectively use your powers at the same time..that makes AR superior...imho of course.

I throw powers all the time while I'm zoomed in with the scope. They're mapped.  I can throw warp, singularity or heavy throw while I'm on the scope by hitting the bumpers or the Y button.  I actually like throwing a power the instant  I snipe into the health bar.  You can also fire the viper accurately without the scope if you want too which is handy in certain situations.

I think it's largely preference and play-style.

Modifié par davidshooter, 17 février 2010 - 11:44 .

[JaegerBane]

Kronner wrote...
I found Vindicator to be effective at any range. Avenger is not that bad either, even Geth rifle is usable for an Adept.
AR is a weapon I can use in any situation and it allows me to keep firing all the time and spamming my powers in the process.

The Vindicator's effectiveness dropped off pretty sharpish when enemies got up close. I kept losing my temper with it on the Reaper mission. The burst firing is great for ranged shooting, but when enemies are in your face it leaves a lot to be desired.

Taking ARs on an Adept in order to use the Avenger is a bit weird. The Avenger is inferior to the Tempest in every department except sheer range... which it is inferior to compared to the hand cannon. I can't think why anyone would bother with it if they had access to the Tempest.

[NICKjnp]

Hexark wrote...

Apophis2412 wrote...

I'm playing an Adept and I'm now gong through the Collector Ship. What bonus weapon should I choose?

Is the Ar any good or should I stick with Tempest?  And what about the new Cerberus shotgun?

I went with the AR, and I'm glad I did.  A lot of it will come down to your playstyle and personal preference.  My main issue with sniper rifles for an Adept is the lack of any sort of ability to increase damage or slow down time when sniping.  Infiltrators get Cloak + time slowdown everytime they look down a scope, Soldiers have Adrenaline Rush which boosts damage 100% and slows down time.  These abilities makes sniper rifles much more efficient in terms of ammo - time slowdown means you miss less shots, and damage boost abilities mean less shots needed for a kill.  A miss with a sniper is more painful than missing with AR's.

An AR just feels a lot more effective on my Adept, I can still put out a lot of damage without needing specific abilities.  If you're worried about ammo, the Avenger and Geth Pulse Rifle both have high ammo capacity, and get a lot of rounds from an ammo pickup.  I can strip shields/barriers quick so I can put my biotics to use, and still have plenty of rounds left to deal with the next portion of the level even if no ammo drops.  The Vindicator does great damage and is accurate, but has some ammo issues.  It actually works out well with an Adept though because you have the Tempest to fall back on until you can grab some more ammo.  I tend to use the Tempest at shorter range versus shieled/barrier enemies, and use the Vindicator to hit long range targets or armored targets.

I would just save before choosing the weapon, and then play with each one for a little while and see which is the better fit for you.

Where is the Geth Pules Rifle?

[SonsofNorthWind]

GPR is available in Tali's mission on Hardcore and up. It's terrible, but if you want it, there it is.



- I've not tried Eviscerator with anyone yet, may be worth using on an Adept.

- Avenger with accuracy upgrade is significantly better than Tempest, IMO - it's well rounded, much more accurate, and has bonus damage against all defense types (both from initial boost and upgrade).

- If you're going to use snipers, use the Viper. While headshots are incredibly powerful, it's still pretty effective when hitting the body as well. Think of it more like a battle rifle than an SR.

[Vb Dude]

SonsofNorthWind wrote...

GPR is available in Tali's mission on Hardcore and up. It's terrible, but if you want it, there it is.

Actually, the GPR really shines on higher difficulties such as insanity for adepts. This is because it is very accurate, it has a lot of ammo and most importantly, it is amazing againt shields.
Its also nice for "long range" shooting, basically at a certain point, your SMG drops off in accuracy adn just starts spraying, thats when the GPR is useful for a bit of retaliatio fire or when you need to quickly finish off a low health enemy in the distance.

And it makes cool pew pew pew noises

Modifié par Vb Dude, 18 février 2010 - 02:14 .

[JaegerBane]

SonsofNorthWind wrote...

GPR is available in Tali's mission on Hardcore and up. It's terrible, but if you want it, there it is.

- I've not tried Eviscerator with anyone yet, may be worth using on an Adept.
- Avenger with accuracy upgrade is significantly better than Tempest, IMO - it's well rounded, much more accurate, and has bonus damage against all defense types (both from initial boost and upgrade).
- If you're going to use snipers, use the Viper. While headshots are incredibly powerful, it's still pretty effective when hitting the body as well. Think of it more like a battle rifle than an SR.

Nice to have you back, Sons.

I agree that the Viper isn't really a Sniper Rifle, it functions more like a scoped Battle Rifle. Definitely a preferred option for Adepts.

The Avenger is a debatable choice for Adepts. They don't spend as much time at short-medium range from their enemies as Vanguards so I can imagine the Tempest wouldn't be that great an option. None of the the shotguns really add much to the Adept however, so the Tempest fills that role by virtue of already being there.

If they're going AR however the Avenger's bonus against all damage types is pretty heavily diluted - it's half the bonus that SMGs get against shields which is the Adept's nemesis. Vindicator is preferable.