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[Aradace]

anmiro wrote...

Does anyone have anything intelligent to add about why the Reapers want the Collectors to build a giant human Reaper? And why did it have to be made from real humans?

Thats like saying I'm going to grow a giant organic car and in order to do it, I need hundreds of thousands of cars.

Because as far as I know, each "cycle" they tend to "harvest" the species that "impresses" them the most.  Last cycle it happened to be the Protheans.  And from what I've heard, read, seen, they tend to take on many of the characteristics of the current "species of origin" in this case, Humans.

[Mossa_missa]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Nothing can convince me that having a giant flippin' Terminator in the Mass Effect universe was a good idea. Nothing.

"I be back."

The other reapers wil be so jelous of that one having a awesome punch line.

[Pannamaslo]

Lets just leave it in Willing Suspension Of Disbelief zone and don't think about it too much...



IMO becasue THE HUMAN REAPER would be a cool boss. No other reason needed.

[anmiro]

You know who else said, lets just do whats cool and not worry about connecting all the dots, George Lucas. And look what he did to those prequels.

[Talogrungi]

Borschtbeet wrote...

Every fifty thousand years the Reapers harvest all space faring organic life in the universe for resources. Out of all the space-faring species in the galaxy they choose the one most worthy to be ascended into reaper hood and they melt down millions of that species to create another of their kind before retreating back into dark space.

The Protheans were the only space faring species in the last extinction cycle and for some reason they weren't fit to become reapers, so the Reapers genetically modified them to be tools.

This. Plus, aren't the reapers supposedly 2 kilometers long? .. how big was the humanoid reaper, 40-50m? .. not sure, but one thing is for certain, it was no-where near the size of a completed Reaper.

It seems perfectly logical to me that the Reapers are comprised of a core being, created with the organic material of the "ascended" race and fashioned in their likeness which is then built into the superstructure of the Reaper ship itself. It's the only theory that fits all the available evidence.

[Pannamaslo]

anmiro wrote...

You know who else said, lets just do whats cool and not worry about connecting all the dots, George Lucas. And look what he did to those prequels.

I just don't want one really silly moment ruin a piece of fine game to me. So I don't think about it. 

[Aradace]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Nothing can convince me that having a giant flippin' Terminator in the Mass Effect universe was a good idea. Nothing.

Then dont play the game...Simple as that.   Because the minority of people actually complaining about this is merely a drop in the bucket in terms of BW's sales and profits...So if every single person who didnt like this aspect of the game suddenly stopped buying their wares (no pun intended), they would suffer little, if at all.

Modifié par Aradace, 18 février 2010 - 10:44 .

[ModernAutomatic]

Aradace wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Does anyone have anything intelligent to add about why the Reapers want the Collectors to build a giant human Reaper? And why did it have to be made from real humans?

Thats like saying I'm going to grow a giant organic car and in order to do it, I need hundreds of thousands of cars.

Because as far as I know, each "cycle" they tend to "harvest" the species that "impresses" them the most.  Last cycle it happened to be the Protheans.  And from what I've heard, read, seen, they tend to take on many of the characteristics of the current "species of origin" in this case, Humans.

So you're saying that Sovreign was modeled after the most impressive species at the time of his creation? Also keep in mind that ALL of the reapers we saw in Mass Effect 1 looked identical to Sovreign - and we glimpsed an armada.

So you're saying the last cycle was the Protheans, which we know are the Collectors, though the collectors are likely mutated compared to the original protheans due to reaper cybernetic upgrades - similar to how Saren had begun to change form, peaking with the final boss fight at full indoctrination. My basis for this is the depiction of the protheans given in Mass Effect 1 coupled with the story revelations in Mass Effect 2.

Then why have we not seen a Prothean reaper?

And am I really to believe that sometime long ago there was a species that looked like Sovreign AND advanced to intergalactic travel, finding the Citadel and were deemed the most impressive in all the galaxy and thus harvested?

I think it's more likely that Sovreign and the reapers we saw in Mass Effect 1 were the original reapers, from wherever they originated. The human triumphing over one of their own - Sovreign - prompted them to rething their design. They began using their prothean slaves (whom they kept hidden behind the Omega 4 Relay) to harvest humans for study and to begin making a "Reaper Mark II". Their plan - make a more advanced human. Thus the human shape.

My 2 cents, from someone who has just now finished his 3rd run through both games (Good, Bad and Neutral/Max)

[ModernAutomatic]

Luc0s wrote...

And AGAIN en topic where people obviously still don't get it.

The human reaper was NOT supposed to look like a giant- f*cking terminator once it was finished.

It was clearly stated that the human larva we saw in ME2 was just the core for a giant reaper that basically would look the same as any other reaper. People who own the ME2 CE know this, because the finished human reaper is in the ME2 art book.

Ah this I did not know. I will have to gander at this Human Reaper in my CE. I have the steam version, so I hadn't bothered looking yet.

Well, my previous concepts still stand regardless of the imagery of the final human reaper product.

[Talogrungi]

ModernAutomatic wrote...

So you're saying that Sovreign was modeled after the most impressive species at the time of his creation? Also keep in mind that ALL of the reapers we saw in Mass Effect 1 looked identical to Sovreign - and we glimpsed an armada.

Did you look "inside" the Reaper ships?

[ModernAutomatic]

Talogrungi wrote...

ModernAutomatic wrote...

So you're saying that Sovreign was modeled after the most impressive species at the time of his creation? Also keep in mind that ALL of the reapers we saw in Mass Effect 1 looked identical to Sovreign - and we glimpsed an armada.

Did you look "inside" the Reaper ships?

Well, you see inside Sovreign when he's informed that a human used the Beacon on Eden Prime and he nearly strike Matriarch Benezia....

[Talogrungi]

ModernAutomatic wrote...

Well, you see inside Sovreign when he's informed that a human used the Beacon on Eden Prime and he nearly strike Matriarch Benezia....

Heh, one tiny part I guess.

Luc0s' sketch is accurate though, it's page 16 in the CE art  book.

[mossfoot]

My take is they DIDN'T need to make it look human. There is no logical reason why it had to be.



But why does it have to be logical? Why are Reaper ships somewhat claw shaped, or example? Surely more practical designs exist for their purposes.



Vanity and esthetics can still exist even in creatures that claim to be unfathomable. They chose to make it look human for their own reasons, but not because they had to.

[ModernAutomatic]

Luc0s wrote...

ModernAutomatic wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

And AGAIN en topic where people obviously still don't get it.

The human reaper was NOT supposed to look like a giant- f*cking terminator once it was finished.

It was clearly stated that the human larva we saw in ME2 was just the core for a giant reaper that basically would look the same as any other reaper. People who own the ME2 CE know this, because the finished human reaper is in the ME2 art book.

Ah this I did not know. I will have to gander at this Human Reaper in my CE. I have the steam version, so I hadn't bothered looking yet.

Well, my previous concepts still stand regardless of the imagery of the final human reaper product.

Here, I made my own quick (and ugly, sorry) sketch of the finished human reaper, based on what's in the ME2 CE art book.

So the underside is the part they model their harvest after? I mean it's cool and all, but until proven otherwise I'm sticking with my hypothesis.  Looking at Sovereign you can see there's virtually no "body" on the underside. The other reapers looked just like him. I'm still of the belief that because they never faced worthy opponents, they never analyzed the need to upgrade. Now they plan to not only upgrade, but steal what makes their adversary great.

[Pannamaslo]

mossfoot wrote...

My take is they DIDN'T need to make it look human. There is no logical reason why it had to be.

But why does it have to be logical? Why are Reaper ships somewhat claw shaped, or example? Surely more practical designs exist for their purposes.

Vanity and esthetics can still exist even in creatures that claim to be unfathomable. They chose to make it look human for their own reasons, but not because they had to.

Hey. It's the first sensible theory on the topic I heard. Just it's hard to imagine mashine being vain...

[ModernAutomatic]

Also, look at the angle that Joker hit him from when he blew right a hole straight through the other side of Sovereign! If they put a "torso" there they could deflect attacks from that angle. Logically, I think the Reapers were just using data analyzed from their encounter with Shepard to begin their upgrade process.

[Talogrungi]

ModernAutomatic wrote...

So the underside is the part they model their harvest after? I mean it's cool and all, but until proven otherwise I'm sticking with my hypothesis.  Looking at Sovereign you can see there's virtually no "body" on the underside. The other reapers looked just like him. I'm still of the belief that because they never faced worthy opponents, they never analyzed the need to upgrade. Now they plan to not only upgrade, but steal what makes their adversary great.

Not all reapers look the same.

It's hard to see because they're basically black-on-black, but if you look at a still of the Reaper fleet at the end of ME2, there's noticeable variation between them. This supports the theory that each one is unique, and in some way influenced by the civilisation it originates from.



Interesting moral choice; if each Reaper is the last remnants of an entire civilization, would destroying the fleet account to genocide on a massive scale?

[Irenicus10]

ModernAutomatic wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

ModernAutomatic wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

And AGAIN en topic where people obviously still don't get it.

The human reaper was NOT supposed to look like a giant- f*cking terminator once it was finished.

It was clearly stated that the human larva we saw in ME2 was just the core for a giant reaper that basically would look the same as any other reaper. People who own the ME2 CE know this, because the finished human reaper is in the ME2 art book.

Ah this I did not know. I will have to gander at this Human Reaper in my CE. I have the steam version, so I hadn't bothered looking yet.

Well, my previous concepts still stand regardless of the imagery of the final human reaper product.

Here, I made my own quick (and ugly, sorry) sketch of the finished human reaper, based on what's in the ME2 CE art book.

So the underside is the part they model their harvest after? I mean it's cool and all, but until proven otherwise I'm sticking with my hypothesis.  Looking at Sovereign you can see there's virtually no "body" on the underside. The other reapers looked just like him. I'm still of the belief that because they never faced worthy opponents, they never analyzed the need to upgrade. Now they plan to not only upgrade, but steal what makes their adversary great.

those other ships are geth.....

[ModernAutomatic]

Irenicus10 wrote...

ModernAutomatic wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

ModernAutomatic wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

And AGAIN en topic where people obviously still don't get it.

The human reaper was NOT supposed to look like a giant- f*cking terminator once it was finished.

It was clearly stated that the human larva we saw in ME2 was just the core for a giant reaper that basically would look the same as any other reaper. People who own the ME2 CE know this, because the finished human reaper is in the ME2 art book.

Ah this I did not know. I will have to gander at this Human Reaper in my CE. I have the steam version, so I hadn't bothered looking yet.

Well, my previous concepts still stand regardless of the imagery of the final human reaper product.

Here, I made my own quick (and ugly, sorry) sketch of the finished human reaper, based on what's in the ME2 CE art book.

So the underside is the part they model their harvest after? I mean it's cool and all, but until proven otherwise I'm sticking with my hypothesis.  Looking at Sovereign you can see there's virtually no "body" on the underside. The other reapers looked just like him. I'm still of the belief that because they never faced worthy opponents, they never analyzed the need to upgrade. Now they plan to not only upgrade, but steal what makes their adversary great.

those other ships are geth.....

I know... The poster above you posted the reference I was making, and in the still shot I notice what he's saying.

Interesting finds everyone!

[O_Chibi]

Nice and all, I like this thread.



Am I the only one thinking that some reapers look like Rachni ? or maybe "Rachni Ancestors"?

[Merchant2006]

DO NOT QUESTION THE T>9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FlintlockJazz]

Anyone else notice that husks have four eyes? And that the reaper also had four eyes (well three actually but mostly because it just wasn't finished yet)?